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#1 pantznat

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Posted 16 June 2015 - 02:49 PM

I am wondering if Tri City will do any teching in the 305  class  this weekend. Things have spiraled out of control once again!!




 

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Posted 16 June 2015 - 03:02 PM

Well, we know you're not talking about the purse. 



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 04:11 PM

why would they tech nobody else does. 



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 04:47 PM

Its so obvious at Mercer the fans even joke about it. So fix it, put a whistler on the top 3 cars every week and the problem will go away



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 05:08 PM

I like Mercer but the Mercer so called 305 class is out of control.
I said it the last 2 years and i'll say it again. - Sealed Racesaver or 602 Crate is the answer.

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Posted 16 June 2015 - 08:25 PM

Tri-City Raceway Park hated posted that this is Mercer Rules ( OUTLAW  SPRINT WARRIORS) (OSW) these rules allow a lot of completion.  if you are scareed, go somewhere else!.......or get the Race Saviors to step up their game



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 10:27 PM

I would first like to say that the Outlaw Sprint Warriors (OSW) where put together to keep sprint car racing cost down and address a lot of the concerns that owners/racers had at the time with another "limited" class and the rising cost to maintain and run that class.  The OSW rules allow for owners to buy used 410 parts for the most part.  It takes out some of the higher priced chassis parts.  The people that put the rules together spent a great deal of time and effort to determine what would keep the class affordable.  It allows more hands on engine work, than any other limited class.  That was done to allow those capable of doing engine work to do it themselves to keep engine costs down.  It's disheartening to sit here and listen to people complain and tear apart what should and could be the largest sprint car class in the area.  It was meant to help feed our very popular 410 class and from what I have seen that has happened with several drivers moving up. 

 

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am proud of the work people put in and the resulting class that was created.  With everybody on this post using "unreal names" it can't be determined who is talking.  If you are complaining and are a car owner there is a protest procedure.  If you are positive someone is cheating make them pay.  The class can only be as good as the owners running it.  If OSW owners allow other cheaters to continue to run you are only ruining your own division.  The protest procedures say one owner must come forward and protest it doesn't say that 2 or 3 owners (or fans) can't share in the cost of the protest.  Police your own ranks and make the division stronger.

 

As far as the suggestions of more engines I feel that doesn't even make sense.  The division already has 2 engines and they have allowed 3rd carburated motor to compete.  OSW is a great product they just need to market and manage the division correctly.  My opinion is that doesn't mean adding more rules and engine options to make it harder to tech/inspect.  I don't follow every "limited" division in our area, but it seems to me that the OSW car count can stand right up there with any local division running.  So if you are a owner and have concerns help police your own ranks and support a Great Sprint Division !!

 

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Edited by Gregg, 16 June 2015 - 10:30 PM.

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 07:20 AM

"Any car may be inspected after an event at the Tech Director’s discretion. If a car is found to be illegal during tech inspection after an event, the illegal car will lose its finish position, points, and money for that event."

 

Lets tech one car a night, starting with the guys that come out of nowhere, pass a car that is running flat foot the whole way around, and win by half a track. just saying



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Posted 17 June 2015 - 10:25 AM

I know everyone is concerned about the differences in performances in cars.  And from an outsider looking in not understanding the difference in experience levels in drivers, and knowledge behind the scenes, it would definitely appear that some cars have an advantage.  I talked to Joe about so I am confident in saying anything that anyone wants to protest on the Lockhart Motorsports 58 OSW Sprint Car, we would be more than happy to do so.  Also if anyone wants the motor Joe said he would sell it out of the car for 15,000 and start over.  Our car has been teched several times since we've been racing this year.  Also the person who builds the motor is the same person that techs for the division.  He would have a lot to lose if something like that were happening and would not ever risk such a thing.   - Just saying



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Posted 17 June 2015 - 11:52 AM

Greg ,I do agree with you on the purpose of the green flag sprints it was originally created to make sprint racing more affordable.The premise of buying a schwanke 5.3 for $9000.00 has gone away, now a top of the line OSW 305 can run into the $25000 range or 28 to 30 thousand for a competitive Attica or fremont  motor. Each race team owner including myself, is responsible to follow the rules of their track .I disagree however, it is not the team owners place to police the other cars at the track ,that responsibility belongs to the track.

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 12:55 PM

Also the person who builds the motor is the same person that techs for the division.  He would have a lot to lose if something like that were happening and would not ever risk such a thing.   - Just saying

Perhaps the engine builder/tech inspector is as honest as Abe, but this situation sure opens the door for speculation.  If any engine builder puts together a piece that is not legal, what makes anyone think he or she would have the integrity to declare the engine illegal when it was time for him or her to now be the inspector?  It's like a politician being in charge of counting votes.


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 01:11 PM

Agreed 100% with you Scruffy1a, this tech can not and should not have anything to do with building these engines....needs to be someone who is TOTALLY unbiased and someone who does not work on any competing rides... JMO


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 01:16 PM

Like I said you guys are more than welcome to protest it. 



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Posted 17 June 2015 - 02:59 PM

No reputable engine builder is going to build a cheater motor and declare it legal. People outside OSW keep complaining and whining, but the class keeps growing. It is as strong as any division in Western Pa. It might well be the strongest division. OSW has seen new growth like no other division. Drivers are also moving up from the division. OSW is doing exactly what it was intended to do. I am very proud of the guys and girl competing in OSW. The division is loaded with talent. The drivers are respectful of one another and go out of their way to help each other. Any promoter would kill for a division like OSW.

French Grimes told me OSW would not survive one year. We needed to adopt his rules. No thanks. OSW keeps getting stronger. It's not surviving. It is thriving! This year two other tracks in western Pa chose OSW rules over Racesaver. A couple weeks back there was an OSW race and a Racesaver in our area on the same night. Racesaver hadvto cancel the first head to head date. Why, no cars. The second race, OSW thumped the Racesaver car count.

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 05:32 PM

Yes Dutko keep trying to run RaceSaver into the ground.... 

 

VINTON, Iowa – Christmas came early for Sprint Car drivers across the country, in the form of a new, joint venture between IMCA and RaceSaver.

Under terms of the agreement, RaceSaver founder French Grimes agreed to allow IMCA long-term use of RaceSaver rules for weekly, regional series and special event use.

In return, IMCA will provide administration, support existing sanctions and promote new sanctions for the Sprint Car class that will be known as RaceSaver, a division of IMCA.

“The signing of this historic partnership strengthens RaceSaver and IMCA, and secures our posi­tion as the largest sprint car sanctioning body in existence,” Grimes emphasized. “RaceSaver brings more than 1,000 Sprint Cars in 17 states and IMCA brings an organization that has sup­ported local weekly racing with a national structure.”

“RaceSaver participants, regions and tracks can now have the benefit of IMCA’s national struc­ture, insurance programs for participants, and comprehensive programs for regional and national champions,” he continued.

“French has developed one of the most cost-effective and innovative engine packages in Sprint Car racing and it fits well with our philosophy at IMCA for the past 99 years,” said IMCA Vice President of Operations Brett Root. “This agreement is great for RaceSaver, it’s great for IMCA and it’s great for Sprint Car drivers. They will receive the same benefits as 8,000-plus drivers in our other divisions.”

Sanctioning and promotion of RaceSaver will now be under the control of IMCA and drivers can compete for the national championship and not have to travel across the country.

A point fund structure is to be announced before Jan. 1.

All aspects of RaceSaver that pertain to rules, record keeping, cylinder heads, tires, engine certifica­tion hard cards, engine sealing and tech officials will remain unchanged and under control of Grimes.

“We will work closely with IMCA to bring all existing regions and tracks into the big tent now pro­vided by this partnership,” Grimes said. “The opportunities for RaceSaver to preserve its mission of accessible racing will be enhanced greatly by our association with IMCA and we look forward with great enthusiasm to the years ahead.”

“This partnership has the potential to make RaceSaver, a division of IMCA one of the largest divisions in our organization,” Root pointed out. “That’s a monumental step from where the IMCA Sprint Car division was just three short years ago.”

The original partnership agreement between IMCA and Virginia-based RaceSaver was an­nounced in February of 2012.

Weekly tracks in three states sanctioned RaceSaver Sprint Car races this season; sanctioned regional series events were held in seven states.

The second annual Sprint Car Super Nationals brought 76 race teams from across the country to Eagle Raceway during the Labor Day Weekend.

“IMCA has a long history of Sprint Car racing over the last 60 years. French Grimes and RaceSaver also have a proven history,” Root said. “This new agreement combines his expertise with our administrative resources. This new relationship makes sense for IMCA and it makes sense for RaceSaver.”

Questions about the new partnership can be addressed to Grimes and IMCA staff at booth 3709 during the PRI trade show Dec. 11-13 in Indianapolis, Ind.



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Posted 17 June 2015 - 05:59 PM

Anyone spending $15,000.00 to $30,000.00 to run a 305 class at Mercer is F -n nuts!

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 07:24 PM

No reputable engine builder is going to build a cheater motor and declare it legal. People outside OSW keep complaining and whining, but the class keeps growing. It is as strong as any division in Western Pa. It might well be the strongest division. OSW has seen new growth like no other division. Drivers are also moving up from the division. OSW is doing exactly what it was intended to do. I am very proud of the guys and girl competing in OSW. The division is loaded with talent. The drivers are respectful of one another and go out of their way to help each other. Any promoter would kill for a division like OSW.

French Grimes told me OSW would not survive one year. We needed to adopt his rules. No thanks. OSW keeps getting stronger. It's not surviving. It is thriving! This year two other tracks in western Pa chose OSW rules over Racesaver. A couple weeks back there was an OSW race and a Racesaver in our area on the same night. Racesaver hadvto cancel the first head to head date. Why, no cars. The second race, OSW thumped the Racesaver car count.

Any promoter would kill for a division like OSW. Might even pay $80 to start.

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 09:51 PM

Yes Dutko keep trying to run RaceSaver into the ground.... 
 
VINTON, Iowa – Christmas came early for Sprint Car drivers across the country, in the form of a new, joint venture between IMCA and RaceSaver.
Under terms of the agreement, RaceSaver founder French Grimes agreed to allow IMCA long-term use of RaceSaver rules for weekly, regional series and special event use.
In return, IMCA will provide administration, support existing sanctions and promote new sanctions for the Sprint Car class that will be known as RaceSaver, a division of IMCA.
“The signing of this historic partnership strengthens RaceSaver and IMCA, and secures our posi­tion as the largest sprint car sanctioning body in existence,” Grimes emphasized. “RaceSaver brings more than 1,000 Sprint Cars in 17 states and IMCA brings an organization that has sup­ported local weekly racing with a national structure.”
“RaceSaver participants, regions and tracks can now have the benefit of IMCA’s national struc­ture, insurance programs for participants, and comprehensive programs for regional and national champions,” he continued.
“French has developed one of the most cost-effective and innovative engine packages in Sprint Car racing and it fits well with our philosophy at IMCA for the past 99 years,” said IMCA Vice President of Operations Brett Root. “This agreement is great for RaceSaver, it’s great for IMCA and it’s great for Sprint Car drivers. They will receive the same benefits as 8,000-plus drivers in our other divisions.”
Sanctioning and promotion of RaceSaver will now be under the control of IMCA and drivers can compete for the national championship and not have to travel across the country.
A point fund structure is to be announced before Jan. 1.
All aspects of RaceSaver that pertain to rules, record keeping, cylinder heads, tires, engine certifica­tion hard cards, engine sealing and tech officials will remain unchanged and under control of Grimes.
“We will work closely with IMCA to bring all existing regions and tracks into the big tent now pro­vided by this partnership,” Grimes said. “The opportunities for RaceSaver to preserve its mission of accessible racing will be enhanced greatly by our association with IMCA and we look forward with great enthusiasm to the years ahead.”
“This partnership has the potential to make RaceSaver, a division of IMCA one of the largest divisions in our organization,” Root pointed out. “That’s a monumental step from where the IMCA Sprint Car division was just three short years ago.”
The original partnership agreement between IMCA and Virginia-based RaceSaver was an­nounced in February of 2012.
Weekly tracks in three states sanctioned RaceSaver Sprint Car races this season; sanctioned regional series events were held in seven states.
The second annual Sprint Car Super Nationals brought 76 race teams from across the country to Eagle Raceway during the Labor Day Weekend.
“IMCA has a long history of Sprint Car racing over the last 60 years. French Grimes and RaceSaver also have a proven history,” Root said. “This new agreement combines his expertise with our administrative resources. This new relationship makes sense for IMCA and it makes sense for RaceSaver.”
Questions about the new partnership can be addressed to Grimes and IMCA staff at booth 3709 during the PRI trade show Dec. 11-13 in Indianapolis, Ind.

Talk about old news that was from 6 months ago. Despite this blockbuster deal. PPMS had to cancel their first Racesaver show this year due to no cars. If stating facts is running down Racesaver to you, so be it.

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 10:07 PM

Thanks for posting the rules! If you have a 305 in a hobbyStock with $1899 in the motor parts and machine ( because a champion motor builder happened to build the Motor because you raced him clean way back) ... What kind of HP do you get from a 305 with $15,000!!!


Edited by DavyLee2, 17 June 2015 - 10:09 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 10:55 PM

According my notes, PPMS had 11 cars for their Racesaver race on May 10,  Dog Hollow 12 on May 22 and Bedford 12 on May 25.  Mercer gets 17-19 most of the time for the OSW.

 

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