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#1 BUDWEISER75

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 01:33 PM

Are there regulations as to how small roll cage tubing can be? Heard that S&S roll cage tubes are smaller than "normal" and that the fatality at lernerville was in a S&S chassis,can you guys give me some insight on this


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#2 torpedo

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 01:50 PM

It is not a ss chassis.



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 01:54 PM

I heard it was a really old car .... Most likely before S&S even started building them

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:05 PM

The car that was involved in the accident on Thursday was not an SS Chassis.

Edited by Jmfosnaught, 26 October 2015 - 02:05 PM.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. "The Man In The Arena", Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:06 PM

I was told by many drivers that the car has been in the S&S shop many many times. But still uncertain about who built it. Either way, the S&S chassis seem to be using lighter cages. Its one of the few ways they can get those cars lighter for the crate engines. However, it is very dangerous as you can see. Even by ignoring the fatal wreck this past Thursday, everyone knows how the 25 McDonald car was an S&S car and his cage collapsed badly on the passenger side on his very weak rollover. These stock cars are becoming death traps



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:10 PM

to answer your question most tracks require 1.75 dia tubing with a .090 wall thickness.  I don't see what you plan to accomplish by knowing the manufacturer of the cage.  While it's sad that someone lost their life doing something they loved, they knew the risks of the sport when they buckled in. 



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:15 PM

I was told by many drivers that the car has been in the S&S shop many many times. But still uncertain about who built it. Either way, the S&S chassis seem to be using lighter cages. Its one of the few ways they can get those cars lighter for the crate engines. However, it is very dangerous as you can see. Even by ignoring the fatal wreck this past Thursday, everyone knows how the 25 McDonald car was an S&S car and his cage collapsed badly on the passenger side on his very weak rollover. These stock cars are becoming death traps

The 25 car was also involved in a horrific accident last year, at PPMS, and held up the way it was supposed to. Anything that is or was built by Chris is as safe as they come. We've had several of his cars and he doesn't cut any corners.

Edited by Jmfosnaught, 26 October 2015 - 02:17 PM.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. "The Man In The Arena", Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:29 PM

Jim. Im just curious, but I dont believe the car landed on its cage at PPMS. Not trying to dis Chris in any manner. Just trying to get more knowledge on the topic. I know you know more about his cars than i do



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:36 PM

Jim. Im just curious, but I dont believe the car landed on its cage at PPMS. Not trying to dis Chris in any manner. Just trying to get more knowledge on the topic. I know you know more about his cars than i do

This is Jason, not Jim. The accident Brett was involved in was one of the worst I've seen, even if it wasn't a roll over scenario.

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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. "The Man In The Arena", Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:45 PM

You guys just seem like you are always stirring the pot.
A man dies now you are digging for the chassis builder.
Then you bring up light weight for the crate what's that have to do with it?

All I can say is I have seen a lot of Chassis and I don't see any flaws in the S&S.
Chris is a driver do you think he would chance his life?

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:54 PM

Clearly the dude is attempting to smear S&S ..... Christian Snyder and Chris Snyder seem to be pretty damn fast ....

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 03:04 PM

No part of that cage what built at Chris's shop. This is no time to take a shot at anyone. It was a terrible accident. This is however a time to get together and decide how to do anything possible to keep it from happening again. There were plenty other cars at the track less safe than that one that was involved in this incident. This is not the time to try and bash anyone

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 03:15 PM

No intension on "slamming" anybody,i didn'tknow for sure that's why I asked,i DID NOT KNOW if there were certain mandated specs to be followed,do the math super lates are a lot faster than a pure stock therefore a super late crash will have way more energy on impact or a roll than a purestock ...sorry if you got the wrong idea maybe I could have worded it better,NO DISRESPECT TO ANY CAR/CHASSIS BUILDER...however my question is a valid one


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Posted 26 October 2015 - 03:43 PM

I agree with Tdietz10 look for a fix.

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 04:03 PM

20. ROLL CAGE 4-post, box-type roll cage of 1 1/2” minimum outside diameter and .090 minimum thickness steel tubing highly recommended. Roll cage should have at least 3 horizontal bars at driver’s side door and 2 horizontal bars at passenger side door, extended outward into door panels with 2 vertical bars between each horizontal bar as additional support. An extra vertical side brace bar is recommended on the left side in line with steering wheel. Door bars highly recommended being minimum 1 1/2” in diameter with a minimum thickness of .090. Both door window areas should remain open and unblocked by roll cage bars for easy exit. Roll cage should extend forward on driver’s side to protect foot area completely. Roll cage should be welded to frame in at least 6 places (in addition to diagonal bracing) and welded together at all intersecting points. Diagonal bars should brace roll cage at rear, and should run from frame to top of roll cage. Top of roll cage should be at least 2” above top of driver’s helmet. All areas of the cockpit should have at least 11” of clearance below the roll cage and roof. All roll cage bars within reach of driver should be covered with non-flammable foam padding. Other than padding, roll cage must remain exposed above top of door with no aerodynamic effects. Right-side padded headrest or head net recommended attached to roll cage. Bars or wire mesh in windshield and driver’s side quick-release window net highly recommended.

 

 

These are the cage rules for PPMS stocks, notice how many times it says highly recommended. these highly recommended rules need to be mandatory rules. also i am a firm believer in 1" 3/4 for the main cage in any stock car. These are 3,000 lbs. cars , they need to have a little more than a 2,400 lbs. late model does.


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Posted 26 October 2015 - 04:29 PM

Thank you whiteboy55 you answered a lot of what I did not know,this is what I intended again I had absolutely NO intention on bashing ANY car/chassis builder,how do I change the title of topic? just so I don't send the wrong idea


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Posted 26 October 2015 - 04:31 PM

Budweiser, you always like to stir the pot.  Your question clearly implies that the S&S Chassis is dangerous and not up to current safety standards.    Simple words have simple meanings.  If you were curious about safety specifications, why bring Chris Schneider into it.  You love to repeat things you've "heard."  Next time, read what you post ahead of time. 


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Posted 26 October 2015 - 05:07 PM

I was told many many years ago that tracks replaced "mandatory" with "highly recommended" for legal reasons.  If they said "mandatory" and their tech people did not catch a violation, a person injured or the family of a driver who lost his life, could come back on the track with a lawsuit for not catching the violation.   This had to do with driver uniforms back in the days when many drivers raced in T-shirts rather than uniforms.   I would think the same would apply here!!

 

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 05:58 PM

You"r right Walt. When they checked your car the roll bars were the first thing to be checked.I found out the rule change was about legal reasons. I got my fire suit after a coupe driver was burned in a wreck at Blanket Hill. Not sure if that"s when fire suits became Mandatory.

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 06:16 PM

What track cheks the wall thickness of the cage tubeing?






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