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#1 dirtstudent2

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 10:35 AM

Selling tickets, pit passes and concessions verses Selling cost effective racing

 

 

Is there is a conflict between the two with results being they cannot blend well together?  


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#2 Sparkler

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 11:19 AM

where do you come up with this stuff?



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Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:11 PM

where do you come up with this stuff?

 

Do you understand the question?



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Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:35 PM

any track that has a subpar passing surface, needs to rework the track till passing is happening. and then everything else will come into play.........that should be your calling card......period.



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Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:15 PM

any track that has a subpar passing surface, needs to rework the track till passing is happening. and then everything else will come into play.........that should be your calling card......period.

 

I think you made a point about racing 94.3-RADRACER.



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Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:41 PM

promotors have added classes at there speedway for the hope that people may join in. the pit gate, which is were they are hoping these 'new' drivers will bring  friends in to help and family members to the stands. Offer good food and they will get in long lines to wait. The cost effective racing  ?  tuff question to answer due to the variables. I hope your not suggesting crates.  



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Posted 23 October 2017 - 09:14 PM

A track isnt going to be successful if it doesnt promote. All of the above is worthless if theres no actual promotion to draw people to your track.
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Posted 24 October 2017 - 06:18 AM

Tho I do not disagree with what bayko is saying. You have to look at the area tracks that put very little to no promotional efforts whatsoever. Thunder mtn. Marion center. Come to mind.

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 07:29 AM

Racing class structures based on rules designed to make it easy for car owners, will grow the number of cars and racers in any class of racing.  Racing class structures based on rules designed to control car and cost, make it possible to sell racing products to a specific market.
 
Tracks are in the business of selling tickets, pit passes and concessions to fans.  Those who sell structured racing are in the business of selling products and services to racers. 
 
Promoting by tracks is to sell tickets, pit passes and concessions to fans.  Promoting by those in the business of selling price controlled products and services to racers is to have a venue to market their products.

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 08:23 AM


Racing class structures based on rules designed to make it easy for car owners, will grow the number of cars and racers in any class of racing.  Racing class structures based on rules designed to control car and cost, make it possible to sell racing products to a specific market.
 
Tracks are in the business of selling tickets, pit passes and concessions to fans.  Those who sell structured racing are in the business of selling products and services to racers. 
 
Promoting by tracks is to sell tickets, pit passes and concessions to fans.  Promoting by those in the business of selling price controlled products and services to racers is to have a venue to market their products.


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:13 AM

 

Racing class structures based on rules designed to make it easy for car owners, will grow the number of cars and racers in any class of racing.  Racing class structures based on rules designed to control car and cost, make it possible to sell racing products to a specific market.
 
Tracks are in the business of selling tickets, pit passes and concessions to fans.  Those who sell structured racing are in the business of selling products and services to racers. 
 
Promoting by tracks is to sell tickets, pit passes and concessions to fans.  Promoting by those in the business of selling price controlled products and services to racers is to have a venue to market their yea

yeah an the cow jumped over the moon. :wacko:



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:37 PM

i look at tyler county..........dusty as hell, run down, not alot put into looks, but people will drive  10 hours to see the racing. a surface that promotes side by side racing, don't need all the other circus shit............



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 01:04 PM

I know DS2 seems like a knucklehead sometimes,  but this is a very good debate.   I don't know were to begin.  I don't think either can thrive by themselves.  Not enuff fans anymore willing to pay more to watch top classes only,  and cost effective racing will never stand on its own.  I know one thing,  a poor racing surface and putting all the fast cars in the front to start is a major problem in dirt racing today.  



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 02:21 PM

I still believe in some sort of handicap system.  Say for the top 10-12 cars in the main.   That gives the guys who seldom, or never win, a bit more of a chance and makes the hot shoes work for their money.  And the "junk" is still at the back, so the only time you have to pass them is when lapping them.  And maybe the most important thing is that it puts on a better show for the paying fans!!!  Without the paying fans in the grandstand the teams can't afford to race these high-buck cars of today!!!

 

GOOD RACING TO ALL!!!

 

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:34 PM

I still believe in some sort of handicap system.  Say for the top 10-12 cars in the main.   That gives the guys who seldom, or never win, a bit more of a chance and makes the hot shoes work for their money.  And the "junk" is still at the back, so the only time you have to pass them is when lapping them.  And maybe the most important thing is that it puts on a better show for the paying fans!!!  Without the paying fans in the grandstand the teams can't afford to race these high-buck cars of today!!!

 

GOOD RACING TO ALL!!!

 

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Nice comment ! Calling the guys in the back that can't afford to race up front "junk" ! Class act !



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:11 PM

There is "junk" out there!!  All three of the top classes have guys racing in them that shouldn't be there!!  They should be in one of the support classes and some of them are just "hazards" to those who have considerable amount of money invested in their cars.  That is the reason that the front runners are so much against handicap line-ups!!    Fact is there are just some guys who shouldn't be out there in the top classes!!  Just a fact of life that all the rest of the drivers have to deal with.  I saw such back in the flathead Ford days of the 50s,and it hasn't changed.  If a driver gets lapped in a heat race, then he is just too far from being competitive to be out there!!   Such drivers should just drop back to one of the support classes, but the starting money is much better in the top three classes, so they can make more money continuing to be somewhat of a hazard to others!!   

 

GOOD RACING!!!!

 

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:24 PM

There is "junk" out there!!  All three of the top classes have guys racing in them that shouldn't be there!!  They should be in one of the support classes and some of them are just "hazards" to those who have considerable amount of money invested in their cars.  That is the reason that the front runners are so much against handicap line-ups!!    Fact is there are just some guys who shouldn't be out there in the top classes!!  Just a fact of life that all the rest of the drivers have to deal with.  I saw such back in the flathead Ford days of the 50s,and it hasn't changed.  If a driver gets lapped in a heat race, then he is just too far from being competitive to be out there!!   Such drivers should just drop back to one of the support classes, but the starting money is much better in the top three classes, so they can make more money continuing to be somewhat of a hazard to others!!   

 

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Funny you mentioned paying fans .... when is the last time you paid to get in the races ? Since your worried about us the paying fans ... 



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:41 PM

What's it matter if he pays, or doesn't pay to get in? It's usually a junker that causes a caution, over and over, to ruin what could be a good race amongst the better cars. They are nothing but hazards out there causing danger to themselves, and the fast cars. Good example be, Yellow Fever Weaver in late models.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:07 PM

Hey zero hero 2.......Have you ever written a column or done anything for the benefit of the sport ???  I have been doing such for 50 years!!  Doubt you have been around that long!!   The racing papers don't pay anything to their writers, so a Press Pass is all any of us get for our efforts!!    I spend about three hours a week putting my columns together, so for the cost of a pit pass that is in line with what the burger flippers at McDonalds make!!   Those of us who write for the racing papers do it because we enjoy it and to be more involved with the sport than just sitting in the grandstand or punching out nasty stuff on a computer screen!!

 

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 09:48 PM

Unless someone has their butt in the seat of a car or makes money off those who put their butts in car seats, they are either poor business men who make nothing off of the racing or fans and nothing else.


Edited by dirtstudent2, 26 October 2017 - 09:51 PM.






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