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#1 dirtstudent2

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 09:35 AM

This is just an idea beat up the idea for fun and conversation if you like.  After many years I already understand my own personality which came up with the idea.  :)

 

 

 

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This is about an alternative way for local weekly points tracks to provide quantity and quality cars racing for their front gate fan customer.

 

The upper limit of rules for Late Models, Sprints, Big Blocks for safety and to control maximum performance would remain the same.  A top shelf Sprint, Big Block or Late Model put on a track races under any WoO, Lucas, Allstar or dirt rules limiting performance.  The need for racers to make mandated purchases to race under national rules for each class on items like safety, tires, etc., are now track designated requirements.

 

Whether the head liner class for a track is 410 Sprint, Super Late or Big Block or even all three each would time trial for a chance to make the Premier Feature or "A" Main.  I read so often on this site about how it bothers fans and Premier Racers having to deal with slower less equipped and less experienced cars in the "A" Main.  It's fact racing has trended to accommodate a few fans and more well heeled racers.  The proof is the making the decisions to take away pass earnings of drivers by putting lapped cars to the back.  And to accommodate with maximum payout many tracks have reduced the number of "A" Main payout cars from 24 to 20.  If that's what a few fans want and what Premier Feature drivers and car owners want along with feature qualifying at local points tracks the Premier Feature car count can be reduced from 20 to 18 or even 16.  It will reduce the total "A" Main now called the Premier Feature payout for tracks whether they choose to put 18 or 16 cars on the track.  If it becomes the norm that more then 16 top shelf quality car show up each week there is no reason tracks cannot adjust the "Premier Feature" count upward from 16 to 18 or higher.

 

Cars which do not make the "Premier Feature" via time trial will race as normal into their now 24 car "A" Main or "B" or even "C".  Payout for the normal "A" Main racing would be less then the "Premier Feature" but at least as much as any current Late Model, Sprint or Big Modified configured support class.  What it would mean to racers with a chance for both is at least 40 cars even if the "Premier Feature" only has 16 cars will make a Feature. 

 

It will allow tracks and racers to determine which cars will be in the support class by time trial, instead of having outside promoters dictate which cars will be in the support class by mandatory purchases. 

 

Yes I see the possibility for lesser normally "Premier Feature" cars to sandbag hoping for top money in the "A" Feature instead of back money in the "Premier Feature".  That would all be part of the 'game'.  It would add excitement and mystery to the racing for both fans and racers.  If a top car does sand bag it or have a bad night qualifying, it not only puts a potentially better car into the "A" main but it allows for a lesser car to make the "Premier Feature".  There's nothing to say there will be cars making the "Premier Feature" later in the season who could not make it when the season started.  Drivers and crew will get better or outlast in spending money between the start and end of the season. 

 

In total all current classes of Big Modifieds, Lates and Sprints could compete together within a class for each.  And rules would be set to limit the top end as it is now, with no rules mandating entry spending except for what tracks accept or designate for safety.      

 

I see local points racing tracks being able to present fans unified 40+ fields for the top three classes.   Tracks change your rules to include racers to your top classes, instead of accepting rules which limit racers in each class.  It's really very simple.  Racers want to race and fans want to watch racers race.




 

#2 dirtstudent2

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 09:49 AM

If the payout's the same what difference does it make if a crate or limited late runs in it's own class or runs the "A" Main instead of the "Premier Feature"?

 

answer: The answer is top running crates, limiteds and put together what ever's you can as close to a Super as you can afford, would then have a chance by time trial to make and run with "Premier Feature" cars.  Are front running less then Super classes that much slower they can't beat currently what runs in the back of the field at a local saturday night Super Late tracks?  


Edited by dirtstudent2, 03 February 2018 - 09:50 AM.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:55 PM

Our 410 motor is about a second off of sodeman, bowser, shetler...we're not even at 800 hp, so we would never make the "premier" feature

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 05:48 PM

Imagine all the "hostages" then. We'd have to mobilize homeland security for every race. 


My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill. 


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:51 PM

Our 410 motor is about a second off of sodeman, bowser, shetler...we're not even at 800 hp, so we would never make the "premier" feature

 

thanks for the reply

 

The idea i'm thinking about is would it matter or would you really care, if you then could run up front in an "A" main for more money then in the back of the "Premier Feature"?  I'm thinking hypothetically maybe the top 6 in the "A" would pay more then the bottom 6 in the "Premier"?

 

Sure cars could sandbag on time trials but then they'd miss out on a chance at top "Premier" money and the prestige of being a "Premier" racer.  But all that would add excitement and controversy to the whole deal for race fans.  I think fans would love the added drama. 

 

With car counts the way they are I can see the whole deal for cars with less equipped then top of the line cars being like a boss deal.  If it looks like a winged sprint car run it.  Racers with 305's and better or less to the extent of what they can afford would be able to pull their cars out of the parts pile and race.  Let the fans watch the top 16 well heeled cars go at it in one race and then let them watch if cars show up like I think they would a 24 car "A" main. 

 

So what if the "A" at least to start out only has 8 or so cars, if the payout is there comparable and maybe a little more to what is now paid dirt cheap to support classes those 8 racers will go home with a comparable decent payout for what they brought to race.  I think there's enough poorer stuff on the back porch wanting to be raced but can't because of all the mandated bull.  Give them a chance and they will race and won't care if the top shelf 16 cars go out and play by themselves. 

 

Yes I'm winging it writing about this idea and I don't have a clue if it would work or not.  It's just an idea to do something to get more cars out racing and I'm throwing it out there.  If anything I think Tracks might see it as something to try to get some new racing excitement going.  .  



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:54 PM

Imagine all the "hostages" then. We'd have to mobilize homeland security for every race. 

 

 

I generally see the usually good point of your posts.  Sorry but I'm at a loss to understand what you offered.  I'm sure it's just me who doesn't understand, help an old guy out on it?



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:58 PM

Crate cars often do run in the premier feature
I wanted to get an old junker in the 90s and pull into the Pitts at a NASCAR track and get paid for last place but guys like Andy Petrie and Morgan Shepard beat me to it ! And so was born the "start and park " teams era
Then NASCAR got stingy with their billions and only pay 40 positions now
However
Furniture row racing showd the world that people who dream to do something big sometimes do accomplish it !
Due to necessity and almost the end of America on November 8 2016 .. tracks and racers have had to manage the decline of EVERYTHING in America.
Quite the opposite of the declining trend comes Shaun hooks and the Penn Ohio series !
The concept to open up the stock car class and keep the rules very simple with weight restrictions based on basically Horepower has created the best phenominum (spelling?) in local racing in a very long time!
Open up the motors and tires and add some weight under the saddle like derby horse racing and you have 50 cars show up ?
Open motor latemodel must weigh 2600 ? Crate weigh 2400?
I'm not familiar with those cars true weight but
The "spec" motors like Ed Feree did pretty good at Pittsburgh over the years against the "open" motors .
There have just been less cars each year as the most corrupt President America ever had racked up the worst economic record this country ever had !

Will you have more or less money this year to go racing ?
So will everybody else!

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:28 PM

yeah this ain't got nothing to do with racing I was curious reading under your name.  Do you play billiards or shoot pool? 

 

I use to shoot pool 10 hours a day for a dime a rack a long time ago.  On two different occasions I got to see Willie Mosconi on tour break and run a rack by the numbers.  Once missed out on getting to play Steve Mizerak at a work conference turny by one game.  At times for a quarter I use to be able to play a long time on a bar table.  Never had the patience nor skill to get any good at straight pool or billiards.  I avoided golf all my life because I looked at golf the same as pool.  I thought golf would be just like pool, being one of those games where your never as good as you think you are.  :)        



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:06 PM

 

 

I generally see the usually good point of your posts.  Sorry but I'm at a loss to understand what you offered.  I'm sure it's just me who doesn't understand, help an old guy out on it?

I was just thinking about how the ones who don't like to see the racing before their favorite class would react to time trials and additional features. 

 

All of the tracks in the area used to run time trials, and they've all dropped them from the weekly programs. 


My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill. 


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 10:32 PM

I payed my rent and lost my rent many times many years ago
Mostly 9 ball tournaments and 8 ball leagues as an excuse to be in the bars and I love the game but it is unforgiving and takes massive dedication to stay good ! One pocket was my favorite billiards game
Lots of talent but not enough dedication!! But I can work a 50 hour week and somehow work on a race car till 1am until I look at the clock and say Crap ! It's 1 I gotta go to bed !
And I don't even have to try !

Even dale earnhardt first race was in a crappy backup car in the Coca Cola 600 where he could barely walk from exhaustion after finishing 26 I think
One position ahead of a guy named Richard Childress and the rest is history!
So it's ok for backmarkers to fill the field and get paid nothing because they are glad to be there and they don't really expect to get much for it .
I only keep screaming about the politics of racing because if there comes a time that every position gets a trophy and about the same money ... there won't be local racing .. We will be living in England / every other socialist country
But the other side is "trickle down "
Big money late model teams sell their 2 heat cycle tires ( they won't uses them after that ) to guys in slower cars or support classes who use them a few more times and then put them on the left front or give them away
I purchased a long block 350 that was run in a latemodel but sitting on a shelf for 8 years that turned 7500 rpm with no problem and use it to turn 6500 in a stock car for a reasonable price and a transmission from a latemodel team that ran it a season or two and had it fresh as a backup !
They cranked 900 hp thru it and would trust it again but sold it in rotation . My 500 hp won't hurt that thing one bit !
This is the kind of racing that makes the penn Ohio series in my situation . The best local racing imo I We are racing Cars ! Sure they have a latemodel body but they still have a spindle from a Monte Carlo or impala from a junk yard on it l

I don't work for At & T so I didn't get a 2000 dollar bonus or Walmart and get a 1000 dollar bonus but my construction business forecast is FullBlast with the current economy and Tax cuts will give me much more money to possibly use for racing in 2018! And the assholes who didn't even clap for the United States flag at the State of the Union Adress are for sure not the ones to thank for that!

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 07:19 AM

Racing is one of those games where your never as good as you think you are.  



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 08:40 AM

Reading through what others have offered and I have to say this idea would not work at Lernerville on regular points nights.  I think it would work at any track that is already running two similar classes.  An example would be if your already running Super Lates and Limiteds or Super Lates and Crate Lates on the same night without full fields in both.  Combine the two and depending on car count you could even run the "Premier Feature" with 16 cars instead of 18.  Pay what you normally pay to the former headliner class now determined by time trial and you(the track) will have payout money left over to make the support class payout more attractive.  Fans will get to see the top cars determined by how well they get around the track in the "Premier Feature" race and with only 16 cars taken out of the total class car count, should get a good show in the "A" main.  Support class racers will like it because there race will have the added money you didn't have to pay to the former headliner class.  I think it could be a win win for both fans and racers.  It would especially be good for support class racers because they could race what ever they have be it Limited, Crate or anything in between dirt cheap throw a bone yard motor in your late and WoO/Lucas Super Late rules. 

 

I would expect you the track to draw cars because your providing a venue which is setup to include racer, by not limiting who can race depending on the amount of money with promoters who I'm sure are constantly knocking on your door.

 

Stock cars have come together because someone set it up to include all racers possible via weight brakes.  Tracks, with this idea I think YOU can set it up to include all racers possible within a class by determining who races against who via time trials.  






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