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#21 D1RT

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 08:21 PM

One word....PAYOUT!


Have you been there in the last few years Gene?
Trust me it's more than the payouts that's making Port the premier track in the East though it doesn't hurt.


 

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:27 PM

Agreed, these teams have tens of thousands, even some over a hundred thousand dollars tied up in the XR1 Chassis, engines, Integra shocks, toters with stacker haulers and you're trying to tell me that a $125 membership and $200 tires are keeping them from running at Lernerville?!  Bitch please!!!

 

The tire excuse is just that, an excuse.



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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:00 PM

Ill change the spin on this, say its not the expense, what makes Lernerville so special that teams should be lining up to buy tires that are only useful at one track? Is it the massive payout? The point fund? Mounting and prepping tires is a lot of work, why create the extra work do an ordinary weekly show?

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:21 PM

Mounting and prepping tires is a lot of work, why create the extra work do an ordinary weekly show?

Sure it's a lot of work, but what makes it extra work regarding Lernerville?  Wouldn't a team mount and prep tires during the week to prepare to race at any track?


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:24 PM

Agreed, these teams have tens of thousands, even some over a hundred thousand dollars tied up in the XR1 Chassis, engines, Integra shocks, toters with stacker haulers and you're trying to tell me that a $125 membership and $200 tires are keeping them from running at Lernerville?!  Bitch please!!!

 

I would say a new XR-1 or Longhorn or comparable with a top notch engine and shocks is over $100k.  Its more the principal than anything else.  This is dirt racing and we don't like people telling us what to do.  If we did we would he racing a pavement track with Nascar sanction. I agree.  I would not spend $125.00 for a membership and like $200.00 for tires that I would only run there when I was on a tire deal for the regular tires that you can run at any track other than that track!  I am surprised you don't have to buy your fuel there as well??? Maybe you do.  Dirt racers are dirt racers because they don't want to put up with control! Lernerville would easily pick up 25% more cars without the Dirt Sanction.  But then they wouldn't get the Outlaw races.  So I guess it must be worth it to them???  If you were traveling with the series....Then you would have to buy the tires and follow the rules.  And then it wouldn't matter when you were in the area if from here to run Lernerville.  I just don't  see many Saturday night racers buying into the control, costs and rules!. All about the principle as much as the cost!



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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:40 PM

Sure it's a lot of work, but what makes it extra work regarding Lernerville?  Wouldn't a team mount and prep tires during the week to prepare to race at any track?

Id say most that are running weekly races arent running tires once and dismounting. They are getting multiple nights out of them. And if you want to run Lernerville Friday and Wayne County or Stateline Saturday or Eriez Sunday you arent gonna run the ump tires at those tracks so youre mounting them for Lernerville, dismounting them to put whatever youre running at those tracks, and then the same to go back to Lernerville the following week. Its adding an extra step to run one place thats on an island.

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:11 PM

I haven't paid a lot of attention to tire rules, but aren't the Sprints and Modifieds also under the same tire rules??  32 Sprints and 27 Modifieds last week compared to 17 Late Models



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Posted 31 May 2018 - 05:45 AM

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 06:18 AM

yes walt, they have only lernerville to run at......



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Posted 31 May 2018 - 07:21 AM

I haven't paid a lot of attention to tire rules, but aren't the Sprints and Modifieds also under the same tire rules??  32 Sprints and 27 Modifieds last week compared to 17 Late Models

Modifieds and sprints are on the same rule at nearly every track, not just one thats on all by them self like the late models at Lernerville

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 07:44 AM

Id say most that are running weekly races arent running tires once and dismounting. They are getting multiple nights out of them. And if you want to run Lernerville Friday and Wayne County or Stateline Saturday or Eriez Sunday you arent gonna run the ump tires at those tracks so youre mounting them for Lernerville, dismounting them to put whatever youre running at those tracks, and then the same to go back to Lernerville the following week. Its adding an extra step to run one place thats on an island.

You brought up the possibility of expense not being the issue.  For teams in which that's the case, I imagine they may run tires once and dismount.  And if they did want to get multiple nights on them, they wouldn't have a problem with the extra wheels it would take to eliminate the dismounting/mounting time.  Maybe it's time and money?

 

With no tire rule, could one use the same compound at Lernerville, Wayne County, Stateline, and Eriez?  Is the Lernerville tire no good for those other tracks?


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 08:00 AM

You brought up the possibility of expense not being the issue.  For teams in which that's the case, I imagine they may run tires once and dismount.  And if they did want to get multiple nights on them, they wouldn't have a problem with the extra wheels it would take to eliminate the dismounting/mounting time.  Maybe it's time and money?
 
With no tire rule, could one use the same compound at Lernerville, Wayne County, Stateline, and Eriez?  Is the Lernerville tire no good for those other tracks?

Ok Ill use our modified team as an example. Were a relatively low buck team. Modifieds are on a compound rule, everyone is on the same tires. We still carry 12 tires with us everywhere in order to get different staggers and to try not to have to go crazy with tire prep between races you like to have some heat options and feature options ready to go. I imagine the late model guys are the same, who wants to mount and dismount 16 tires several times a week? I sure as shit dont. You dont just bolt up 4 tires and go racing. Late models arent on a compound rule so theyre probably carrying twice as many tires as we do.

And as far as I understand the ump tire isnt competitive with other tires. I always see people get pissy when someone mentions the expense of the tires so i was just trying to present and alternate theory.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 09:10 AM

For all the whining about late model car counts and tire rules at Lernerville, its not like other area tracks are pulling in tons of cars for weekly shows either.

Theres a special just about every weekend night within a couple hours. Thats where the cars are. Specials only racing is where super late model racing is headed.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 09:13 AM

For all the whining about late model car counts and tire rules at Lernerville, its not like other area tracks are pulling in tons of cars for weekly shows either.

Theres a special just about every weekend night within a couple hours. Thats where the cars are. Specials only racing is where super late model racing is headed.

I feel like all 3 headline classes could be headed that way and Im not necessarily against that.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 09:24 AM

I feel like all 3 headline classes could be headed that way and Im not necessarily against that.


Sprints and Big Blocks are pretty stable in our area, because there really isnt anywhere else to run them in the area but Lernervilles weekly shows and split between PPMS/Sharon on Saturdays.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 09:33 AM

There are top teams, like Blair, that run tires 1 time then sell them to stock car drivers. So for those teams who choose not to run Lernerville, i doubt it's "just" the tire rule. It's likely that in conjunction that there aren't many teams down that way and the people who would potentially come from up north have to drive that far, further than the drive to say thunder mountain and use tires specifically for that track that may be harder to sell. It's more than just the tire rule and atp i don't think simply doing away with it would be a "quick" fix. Also, there aren't a ton of teams that run 3 weekly tracks. As I've said many times, there are very very solid counts at stateline/eriez as well as thunder mountain. The people who continually talk about crappy counts are in the lernerville/ppms region and either don't got to or look at any other tracks. Specials only in the southern region, maybe, but in the north as long as management doesn't get tired of running eriez if it isn't sold i doubt that specials only is something that happens anytime soon. Did Eriez have a SLM bmain this week? No but they consistently have far superior counts than the burgh region and with thr teams no longer running lernerville weekly and people plus change in quality of equipment adding to the eriez region i also think they have superior cars.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 10:01 AM

There are top teams, like Blair, that run tires 1 time then sell them to stock car drivers. So for those teams who choose not to run Lernerville, i doubt it's "just" the tire rule. It's likely that in conjunction that there aren't many teams down that way and the people who would potentially come from up north have to drive that far, further than the drive to say thunder mountain and use tires specifically for that track that may be harder to sell. It's more than just the tire rule and atp i don't think simply doing away with it would be a "quick" fix. Also, there aren't a ton of teams that run 3 weekly tracks. As I've said many times, there are very very solid counts at stateline/eriez as well as thunder mountain. The people who continually talk about crappy counts are in the lernerville/ppms region and either don't got to or look at any other tracks. Specials only in the southern region, maybe, but in the north as long as management doesn't get tired of running eriez if it isn't sold i doubt that specials only is something that happens anytime soon. Did Eriez have a SLM bmain this week? No but they consistently have far superior counts than the burgh region and with thr teams no longer running lernerville weekly and people plus change in quality of equipment adding to the eriez region i also think they have superior cars.


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 10:12 AM

Specials only at Stateline/Eriez is coming, likely before it hits the tracks down here.

Supers are the sole headliner in the region, the counts are strong, stands are full every week, and the pay is better than lernerville, especially at Eriez. The only thing that makes them go specials only is backroom politics. Like I said yesterday, there were people talking in the pits about what will happen if the track isn't sold because Kathy allegedly doesn't want to run the track weekly. Time will tell if it's more than just pit talk. Do you have dirt or just a feeling? Also, with all the stuff Thunder Mountain is doing and raising pay, they're just getting started.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 10:28 AM

Supers are the sole headliner in the region, the counts are strong, stands are full every week, and the pay is better than lernerville, especially at Eriez. The only thing that makes them go specials only is backroom politics. Like I said yesterday, there were people talking in the pits about what will happen if the track isn't sold because Kathy allegedly doesn't want to run the track weekly. Time will tell if it's more than just pit talk. Do you have dirt or just a feeling? Also, with all the stuff Thunder Mountain is doing and raising pay, they're just getting started.



Thunder Mountains raised pay just made it the same as Lernervilles weekly purse. I find it hysterical that you guys thought is was some huge move.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 10:40 AM

Thunder Mountains raised pay just made it the same as Lernervilles weekly purse. I find it hysterical that you guys thought is was some huge move.

If you look at it like that, on a 1 to 1 scale and like Lernerville is the only track in the state, i'm sure it is hysterical to you. It's the point that in todays landscape, when nobody else is doing it, they've raised pay twice. If you want to look at it like that they have far less resources than lernerville but they also don't have big blocks or sprints. They're raising pay and trying to take care of their drivers. What's lernerville done for their drivers or to keep cars? When's the last time they raised pay? Thunder Mountain is trying and for that i commend them. I commend Lernerville for the wednesday shows. Thunder Mountain isn't lernerville nor will it ever be and i'm okay with that. I just find it very good to see that they're increasing pay to match lernerville when they really didn't have to or need to. Also, where this intel on eriez and stateline going specials only???

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