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Peoples Natural Gas DIRTcar Sprint Main Event (25 Laps)
Posted 04 August 2018 - 03:27 AM
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Peoples Natural Gas DIRTcar Sprint Main Event (25 Laps)
Posted 04 August 2018 - 09:16 AM
Posted 04 August 2018 - 10:59 AM
McPherson was spun out and at a dead stop on the back stretch yet the officials gave him the lead back instead of putting him in the rear.TOTAL BS !
thats there boy. there not going to do that.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 11:03 AM
3 really good features. Congrats to all feature winners. Track was decent all night. Lerverville, please save the late models.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 11:20 AM
McPherson was spun out and at a dead stop on the back stretch yet the officials gave him the lead back instead of putting him in the rear.TOTAL BS !
That's how I saw it too.
I hate to say it, but these guys are even worse than Gary and WRG.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 12:53 PM
It was Mcherson and Zambotti that went sliding down the back stretch. the flagman reached for the yellow when they started sliding, it looked like there was gonna be a pileup. I'm not sure either fully stopped but Kelly then got involved. THE YELLOW WAS FOR 33 and 948 being sideways on the back straight. the announcer said the yellow was charged to Kelly. I'm not defending the track or the call or anything else, but I think they got it correct. If the 33 and 948 never stopped. I'd love to see some video. I have seen cars bring out yellow before and not been sent to tail. from my view they never completly stopped(33 & 948). What a good night of racing in all classes. gotta give the track thumbs up for that!!
27. In the event that a car, running in competition, gets “out of shape” (spins, bicycles, etc.), but recovers, and keeps racing, but a “quick” caution was displayed, that car will be permitted to maintain the position where it recovered. Driver will not be charged with a caution
Edited by Hans Solo, 04 August 2018 - 01:05 PM.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:15 PM
It was Mcherson and Zambotti that went sliding down the back stretch. the flagman reached for the yellow when they started sliding, it looked like there was gonna be a pileup. I'm not sure either fully stopped but Kelly then got involved. THE YELLOW WAS FOR 33 and 948 being sideways on the back straight. the announcer said the yellow was charged to Kelly. I'm not defending the track or the call or anything else, but I think they got it correct. If the 33 and 948 never stopped. I'd love to see some video. I have seen cars bring out yellow before and not been sent to tail. from my view they never completly stopped(33 & 948). What a good night of racing in all classes. gotta give the track thumbs up for that!!
So let's say that everyone got through clean. What would the yellow have been for? That's who should go to the back, plus anyone involved after the fact.
Edited by FanJim24, 04 August 2018 - 01:17 PM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:17 PM
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Edited by Hans Solo, 04 August 2018 - 01:21 PM.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:26 PM
So let's say that everyone got through clean. What would the yellow have been for? That's who should go to the back, plus anyone involved after the fact.
according to rule 27 Fanjim, they get there spot back. That's how I read it. Not saying I agree with it. Flagman reached for yellow before Kelly was involved, If Kelly would not have stopped, they may have just lined them up and went green?? But by rule....I think they got it right. Mcphereson never stopped moving.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:51 PM
Then the rule is bassackwards, and it goes back to the second line of my first post on the thread. Track has had successively worse management with each change.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 02:23 PM
Posted 04 August 2018 - 02:38 PM
according to rule 27 Fanjim, they get there spot back. That's how I read it. Not saying I agree with it. Flagman reached for yellow before Kelly was involved, If Kelly would not have stopped, they may have just lined them up and went green?? But by rule....I think they got it right. Mcphereson never stopped moving.
But the caution was not quick and it was caused by C33 and 948, so it is up for interpretation at that point, and based on cars stacking up behind them the cautions was perfectly in order.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 02:48 PM
Posted 04 August 2018 - 03:05 PM
So how many guys have to have their sh!t torn up by a particular driver before the track has a talk with them? All for a race that pays $300 to win and a points championship that pays Penny's. Secondly any time a car spins around a caution should be called. This b.s. about keeping the car going teaches guys to cause a cluster f##@ on the track and guys who had nothing to do with the accident end up getting torn up or loosing a ton of spots for simply taking avoidance measures.
Good idea most of the time, but there are times when a driver spins away from anyone else and is able to get out of the way, or save it and keep going, sometimes only losing a few positions. Those situations don't call for a caution. IMHO, let 'em race when it's safe.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 03:21 PM
Most of you weren't around in the 50s!! Back then if a car spun around and stopped in the middle of the turn the driver just sat there until the end of the race leaving the still racing cars to go around him one side or the other!!! Not saying this is right, but that is how it was back then!! Of course, race cars were just 1930s coupes off the street and junk yards and not worth the big bucks they are today. Personally. I didn't think Corey or Joey stopped, but wouldn't bet my life on it!! If they did stop it was only for a couple of seconds. And to Justin314......The Late Models are not just a Lernerville problem, it is circuit wide!!! High costs have finally caught up with the class!! And the crates don't seem to be the answer, as some tracks don't have anymore of them than "super" Lates!! The high cost of the chassis seems to be what is killing the class.
GOOD RACING TO ALL!!!!
Walt
Posted 04 August 2018 - 04:36 PM
Sorry Walt but if the track would enforce even the written rules, you would have more participation from local teams.
Edited by bezerker, 04 August 2018 - 08:21 PM.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 04:39 PM
Most of you weren't around in the 50s!! Back then if a car spun around and stopped in the middle of the turn the driver just sat there until the end of the race leaving the still racing cars to go around him one side or the other!!! Not saying this is right, but that is how it was back then!! Of course, race cars were just 1930s coupes off the street and junk yards and not worth the big bucks they are today. Personally. I didn't think Corey or Joey stopped, but wouldn't bet my life on it!! If they did stop it was only for a couple of seconds. And to Justin314......The Late Models are not just a Lernerville problem, it is circuit wide!!! High costs have finally caught up with the class!! And the crates don't seem to be the answer, as some tracks don't have anymore of them than "super" Lates!! The high cost of the chassis seems to be what is killing the class.
GOOD RACING TO ALL!!!!
Walt
A little before my time Walt.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 04 August 2018 - 06:24 PM
Then the rule is bassackwards, and it goes back to the second line of my first post on the thread. Track has had successively worse management with each change.
I'm not saying it's a good rule Jim, but it's not really the track mgt. I've seen this rule in effect at many local tracks and by many sanctioning bodies. I'm saying that by the rule, they got it right. Rocket 21 said he was at a dead stop, and I didn't see it that way. Did you think he was stopped??
Posted 05 August 2018 - 09:14 AM
I'm not saying it's a good rule Jim, but it's not really the track mgt. I've seen this rule in effect at many local tracks and by many sanctioning bodies. I'm saying that by the rule, they got it right. Rocket 21 said he was at a dead stop, and I didn't see it that way. Did you think he was stopped??
That assumes that it was a "quick caution," whatever that can mean, but I don't think that it was a quick caution since one car had to be towed, at which point the cars that the yellow was for go to the back. The yellow came out immediately. I assume Todd was watching the same cars everyone else was, (C33 and 948), and went yellow as soon as there were 2 cars sideways at the front of the pack, which is the right call--slow down and alert everyone.
Giving someone who brings out a caution and would have lost spots without the caution the same positions that they would have lost without the caution is not a good rule. No one can tell me that the C33 and 948 would have recovered anywhere near the front had there not been the caution that they caused. Let's say that no one stopped and there was no caution, the whole field would have gone by them before they were back up to speed.
Edited by FanJim24, 05 August 2018 - 09:18 AM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 05 August 2018 - 11:58 AM
That assumes that it was a "quick caution," whatever that can mean, but I don't think that it was a quick caution since one car had to be towed, at which point the cars that the yellow was for go to the back. The yellow came out immediately. I assume Todd was watching the same cars everyone else was, (C33 and 948), and went yellow as soon as there were 2 cars sideways at the front of the pack, which is the right call--slow down and alert everyone.
Giving someone who brings out a caution and would have lost spots without the caution the same positions that they would have lost without the caution is not a good rule. No one can tell me that the C33 and 948 would have recovered anywhere near the front had there not been the caution that they caused. Let's say that no one stopped and there was no caution, the whole field would have gone by them before they were back up to speed.
I agree with you 100% Jim, Bad Rule. But just part of our sport. I guess the divide in our opinions becomes was 33 stopped and is it fault of track mgt. I respectfully may disagree. Hopefully we both show up and pay our $15 next week!!! Where is flash49 on this!! I'd luv to hear what he thought!!
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