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#61 GEARHEAD

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 08:09 PM

gearhead, you mainly go to two tracks.......ville, and ppms......so don't come on here acting like some big traveling man. i said around here, very clearly.....and eriez is the best racing around here.....hands dowm....


How the hell do you know where I go? I went to more tracks in Illinois last year than tracks in PA! And you brag about every track you race at like they're Eldora or something. Sharon...then Raceway 7...now Eriez. Until you get out some you have absolutely no clue. Any track like Eriez that blows dust during hotlaps like they're racing in the Sahara Desert isn't prepping the track right.

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:09 PM

I guarantee you gearhead has been to three times more tracks than you ever gone to 94.3.

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:55 PM

Gearhead is dating a Super Model!!!   seriously 94.3,  he travels to a lot of and tracks his opinion should be respected,  however, he dislikes L'ville for some reason.  And that's OK.  I go to a few tracks myself and I find the surface and the racing at L'ville above average.  But it could be a very special place.  Some decisions there  i wonder about. but it's closer than Illinois.      



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Posted 15 January 2019 - 11:03 PM

Gearhead is dating a Super Model!!!   seriously 94.3,  he travels to a lot of and tracks his opinion should be respected,  however, he dislikes L'ville for some reason.  And that's OK.  I go to a few tracks myself and I find the surface and the racing at L'ville above average.  But it could be a very special place.  Some decisions there  i wonder about. but it's closer than Illinois.      


I miss the days of Ouch prepping Lernerville back when it had a cushion. Lernerville has never been the same since he left. It's the same situation with Hagerstown and Randy Grove. He was one of the best, and now Hagerstown is terrible. Sharon has new clay put down, but their prep for the Lucas race was an absolute joke. No racetrack should use a roller that much. Ever. Raceway 7 was one of the best tracks in the country, now they made the track so narrow nobody can pass. It's a real shame. At least Port Royal knows what they're doing. Clinton Country is very impressive too. But the list of properly prepped tracks in PA/OH/WV is a short one. Attica is always good. Ohio Valley Speedway too. Tyler County is always fun too, of course.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:07 AM

You can throw Wayne County in the good prepped tracks list. That race between Markham and Lux last year, was close to, if not the best race i seen all year at any track. All 25 of them from 2018.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:44 AM

eriez doesn't have hotlaps gearhead.......nice try though.



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:25 PM

Those are illogical comparisons. Your examples either cost money or are matters of opinion. Putting extra effort into track prep simply comes down to caring and knowing what you're doing, or asking the best for recommendations. I guarantee the majority of guys who prep tracks either never travel anywhere to see how they can improve or they are too proud to ask for help or take suggestions. That has nothing to do with spending money.

Trap prep costs money and is a matter of opinion! 

 

Similarly to the way you compiled a list of well-prepared tracks (in your opinion), perhaps if you disagree that it costs money, you could compile a list of tracks that will cover travel and admission costs for people to come observe and ask questions about they way they take care of their tracks' surfaces.  While you're at it, how about a list of consultants that would be willing to travel, and take time away from working on their own tracks, to give suggestions to help their competitors out of the kindness of their hearts.  Don't forget to find all of the physical resources for free that they will be required to obtain in order to prepare a track properly (in your opinion).

 

You don't know that crews from all of the poorly-prepped (in your opinion) tracks haven't done these things you're suggesting.  Maybe they have, and have been steered wrong.  Maybe they have, and simply holding knowledge is not enough to produce results.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:36 PM

eriez doesn't have hotlaps gearhead.......nice try though.


I've been there for the September Sweep and they did. How do you explain that?

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:42 PM

Trap prep costs money and is a matter of opinion! 
 
Similarly to the way you compiled a list of well-prepared tracks (in your opinion), perhaps if you disagree that it costs money, you could compile a list of tracks that will cover travel and admission costs for people to come observe and ask questions about they way they take care of their tracks' surfaces.  While you're at it, how about a list of consultants that would be willing to travel, and take time away from working on their own tracks, to give suggestions to help their competitors out of the kindness of their hearts.  Don't forget to find all of the physical resources for free that they will be required to obtain in order to prepare a track properly (in your opinion).
 
You don't know that crews from all of the poorly-prepped (in your opinion) tracks haven't done these things you're suggesting.  Maybe they have, and have been steered wrong.  Maybe they have, and simply holding knowledge is not enough to produce results.

Track prep is an expense that comes with owning a racetrack. It's not an option. You don't buy a racetrack then opt to not prep the track to save money. When you buy a racetrack you factor in the expense for fuel and proper equipment. Reclaying is also factored into the yearly budget. All great track prep crews disk the track deep before they water it all week long (depending on the rain). Any track that doesn't do that hasn't consulted anybody. That is track prep 101. Effort isn't a matter of opinion, and if the track isn't turned over weekly then there is a lack of effort. Optional expenses that you're trying to use as an example are unnecessary luxuries like paved walkways, new Musco lighting, a fancy scoreboard, video screen, etc. You should have used one of those as your example.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:36 PM

Gearhead. Ouch was one of the best anywhere when you talk track prep.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:53 PM

Anyone ever been to Belle-Clair or Tri City near St. Louis. Both Friday night tracks, and am trying to decide which on to hit while in the area



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:25 PM

Anyone ever been to Belle-Clair or Tri City near St. Louis. Both Friday night tracks, and am trying to decide which on to hit while in the area


I've been to both...I prefer Belle Clair for sure! If you've never seen a 1/5 mile racetrack then I definitely recommended it. You can hear the quarterpanels scraping off of the old railroad tie walls during qualifying, it's such a cool place. The Gundakers do a nice job with Tri-city too, Kevin usually has the track in nice shape, but the size and configuration of the track isn't anything special. BC will be like nothing you've ever seen before. It makes Tyler County look big. And while you're there you have to try out Beast Craft BBQ right next to the track, the best BBQ in St. Louis!

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:12 PM

I remember reading a story years ago about a traveling driver talking to Don Martin. Don commented that they intentionally didn't open the track every week to make it easier on motors and tires. I don't know how long ago that was, because it seemed to me that Ouch opened the track every week. If the weather is threatening, sometimes they seal the track so that they can run at all, which is why Lernerville will have a raceable track on weeks that no one else runs either night. It might not be ideal on those kind of nights, but they run. 

 

Some drivers and fans prefer slicker tracks. Myself I think there is a middle ground between wide open tacky and too slick to throttle. 


My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill. 


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:20 PM

Yea but even with Ouch turn 2 has always been a bugger.......I have been going there since 84 and turn 2 was like driving on a mirror

 

 

Gearhead. Ouch was one of the best anywhere when you talk track prep.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 11:43 AM

I've been there for the September Sweep and they did. How do you explain that?

oh, the rain out, and race on sunday,....had to start early because of so many cars... you don't get bup much then, if that is your excuse......



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 01:13 PM

oh, the rain out, and race on sunday,....had to start early because of so many cars... you don't get bup much then, if that is your excuse......


How is that an "excuse"? It's a fact. You said they don't have hotlaps, but I have seen them there. You could claim that they "rarely" have hotlaps, that would be accurate.




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