Car was built brand new, from the ground up, in 2015. It has under 25 races total on it. Most of those races, in the last 2 years, have been with the Penn Ohio series. Feature winning car at PPMS in 2017. Also, a consistent top 5 finisher with the Penn Ohio series in 2017. Can be sold a couple different ways but would prefer to sell as a full roller. Roller will come with full front and rear suspension, including rear end housing, a complete used deck and body that is currently off the car. A new body can be offered for an added cost. Roller will also include 8-10 used Bilstein shocks, seat, belts, gauges (less wiring), some used tires...really too much to list. Roller will not include drive train, etc. Serious inquiries only. Price will be based on desired stage of completion.
Here's an opinion from a guy who has been involved with stock cars for years...the payout structure is very important, but being a part of a show like this weighs heavy with most, if not all, the stock car guys. That's why this series has had great car counts. The payouts for normal series events are also a bit top heavy but guys travel for those because it's great to be a part of. We competed in more than a few events this year, with the series, and will continue to do so in 2018. The Laboon race pays a quarter of this show and usually pulls approximately 50-60 cars (and that's no knock on that show, it's become a very prestigious event to be a part of...with a great pay structure). I see no reason that this $10,000 to win, top heavy race, shouldn't get even more support. Stock car guys appreciate these big shows and what the Penn Ohio series has become. This division has great drivers, fans and family's of those drivers. That is why this event will have the support regardless of the payout structure.
That's not true, the average mod in usmts runs no smaller then 415. The 8" tire don't make em dangerous either. And they ain't heavy, 2400 pounds I didn't think was heavy. They run really close lap time to late models down at batesville and I'm sure they are really close to em at lernerville. Closer then big blocks and sportsman.
"Emod" lap times, at Lernerville, for the whole Stampede weekend were just about the same as the Open Sportsman/Stock cars. They were not as close, to the late model times, as you might think. I just looked through the "Race Monitor" app to verify.
Being intimately involved with Lernerville's Sportsman Stocks, the track's tech officials and having bought used tires from most of the Late Model teams at the track...I can tell you that a big deal is being made about nothing...with this post.
Vince, the idea of having a quick hot lap session after the dash is perfect...and needed. Thanks for getting all the above information organized and taking into consideration these small details. Can't wait to get this show in!
I was told by many drivers that the car has been in the S&S shop many many times. But still uncertain about who built it. Either way, the S&S chassis seem to be using lighter cages. Its one of the few ways they can get those cars lighter for the crate engines. However, it is very dangerous as you can see. Even by ignoring the fatal wreck this past Thursday, everyone knows how the 25 McDonald car was an S&S car and his cage collapsed badly on the passenger side on his very weak rollover. These stock cars are becoming death traps
The 25 car was also involved in a horrific accident last year, at PPMS, and held up the way it was supposed to. Anything that is or was built by Chris is as safe as they come. We've had several of his cars and he doesn't cut any corners.
Just to clear things up: the 604 rules, for stock cars, at Lerneville, are basically the same as the 358 open engine rules. There are no weight breaks given for the 604. The 602's have many different advantages including a weight break and the use of a racing style transmission (Bert, Brinn, etc.). The 602 was utilized with some success by Chris Schneider but it didn't catch on.
Lernerville currently has no actually tech procedure for the crate option but the engine builders that are involved with Fastrak and Rush are the guys providing these engines. And they are using the same process of tagging as they do for the crate series. I can't imagine they'd put their reputation on the line for a couple of stock cars to be successful. Lernerville's tech officials did pump the 604's and they came up just under 350 C.I.
IMO, it's crazy to buy a 604, attempt to "cheat it up" and expect great results. The cost of doing this would outway the gains to be made. You can still build a very good open 358 and know exactly what you're getting. But you will incur a higher cost to do so.
So, you either spend more or compromise HP for cost. Either way, the stock cars at Lernerville have always had parity. Usually one of the best features of the night.
*If I were still running stocks, I wouldn't do anything but a 604. The durability and cost works for a budget and a good setup has proven that they can win races*
-Also, this added cash from Rush is very simple: If you run a crate engine weekly, you can cash in. If you don't run a crate and/or are opposed to this idea, it doesn't effect you weekly or the Penn Ohio series-