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[rogk01]

There will be another truck meeting at 6pm on friday at the consession stand at the track to discuss the rules. So get your notes together and come out and voice your opinion. Sounds like this might be the last chance to get it right or you will be running whatever they tell you to.

[myers_racing22]

yep just got a call a few minutes ago 6 firday because apparently some people have some good $$$$ in their motors and are crying because their motors won't be legal if the rules were set the way they were talked about last meeting.... well hopefully nothing changes because i don't have to change a damn thing and still ran decent just had some handling problems and possibly a poor driver, but when we go to this meeting just think about who you could be screwing. Most of you will screw yourselves if you go with siding for unlimited because i would guarentee almost 90 % of the races will go to a hicks truck and when they have a bad night the next fastest will get it and that will probably be the twinnings, i'm not calling thoses guys out its just the way last year went and if we don't have some sort of even playing field then thats the way it'll go, i like everyone i race with. i don't have any grudges, have had some run ins but have never hated anyone out there and i'm always willing to help if i can. this is just my opinion but i'm voiceing it here right now and thats the way its going to be on friday, and for those who called dean because they didn't get what they wanted then i hope you all have enough nerve to stand up infront of your fellow competitors and voice how you really feel, not just because some one persuaded you to go that route of being stock or unlimited, just my opinion again, would like to see a few more for the ones who have enough nerve to post their opinion, and personally if you think my opinion sucks thats fine because i don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me or my opinions as some of you may know, everyone is entitled to their opinion but most people don't have enough balls to speak up, and if you couldn't tell i'm really fired up because i have to run all the way up to waynesfield to hear cheaters wine about how its not fare that they spent all this money and had this and that done and now its worthless junk, and for those people who said they wouldn't race if it went one way or another more power to ya lets make this series more competitve by slowing the fast guys down, because if we don't then you might as well just not show up and let the those fast trucks duke it out, you cannnot touch a 2.3 ford motor built up without spending good money and breaking stuff in the 2.5 chevy.... at what point is this rediculous. we're racing for $175 or what ever it is to win. again just my opinion as i see things, thanks for listening to me vent a little

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I think they need to start putting this stuff on their web site and let the word out on this meeting. Maybe they are calling people and letting them know. But i think they need to start using their web site more.

[rogk01]

He was calling all that he had numbers for and I told him I would also post it on here also. I hope that they get it worked out, I agree that some things are out of hand and I am not sure what the answer is but I hope they find it soon before the class is gone.Roger

[injunear]

He was calling all that he had numbers for and I told him I would also post it on here also. I hope that they get it worked out, I agree that some things are out of hand and I am not sure what the answer is but I hope they find it soon before the class is gone.Roger

seems like a pretty simple solution to me.

Pounds per CC. (minimum weight cannot be less than maximum (pumped, tech'd) Cubic Centimeters of stroke volume.)
Just an idea that may help, since we set an amazingly LOW minimum weight with driver, of 2400 lbs, at the last meeting!!!

[enforcer]

It will probley be better if you just keep my name out of your mouth! Rules were what they were a few years ago and who's says people cheated?

Edited by enforcer, 24 November 2008 - 09:39 PM.

[racer50]

It would be nice if we had rules that were enforced. This class was started with stock appearing engine then after a few guys started to get faster Greg came out and said were going back to stock. After a meeting in the pits with Greg and the drivers We went to Stock appearing, 350 Holley, 1" adapter plate and a claim rule. The next year the rules posted on the Website and that were in the conession stand haden't been changed. Nobody claimed anyone and I can't remember anyones hood off for the last two years so basically there were no rules, so you can't cheat if the rules aren't enforced. Arron I'll bet you that every truck that ran the past two years has something illegal on it according to the rules that are listed at the track, just some more that others. But does that mean if you only have one thing illegal and another has 5 things illegal that your legal and he's not I don't think so it just means he's faster. I for one really don't care what they come up for rules as long as there enforced, and we know what we can do and what we can't. And they get them posted so we have time to be ready for next year. LETS GO RACING Don Noffsinger 18N

[myers_racing22]

It will probley be better if you just keep my name out of your mouth! Rules were what they were a few years ago and who's says people cheated?

well y all of a sudden are we having this other meeting...... hmmm some one is mad b/c they can't comply with the rules that were set the last meeting and are not happy that this huge motor is nothing but scrap metal, you are not the only one and i know that but when you win 2/3 of the races all year and can start towards the back and be in the top two within 5 or so laps and then start lapping guys by lap 10 tell me you are not stock and i will call you out and a liar at the same time people aren't as dumb as you think they are and if you say that your set up is perfect and your an awesome driver then what is the big deal if you run a stock motor..... should still be able to win all those if your that good right? Or maybe if your that good and have the money to do so move up and see how well you do... this class was for people to race cheap and be competitiveat the same time and a few have gone overboard don't you think???????? you can always call me and talk but i'll be straight up with you or anybodyi'll telll ya how it is or what i think to your face , on the phone, or on the net. I'm me and no one can change that and if you don't like what i have to say ignore me like any other person would do, lets be mature competitors about this!

[myers_racing22]

It would be nice if we had rules that were enforced. This class was started with stock appearing engine then after a few guys started to get faster Greg came out and said were going back to stock. After a meeting in the pits with Greg and the drivers We went to Stock appearing, 350 Holley, 1" adapter plate and a claim rule. The next year the rules posted on the Website and that were in the conession stand haden't been changed. Nobody claimed anyone and I can't remember anyones hood off for the last two years so basically there were no rules, so you can't cheat if the rules aren't enforced. Arron I'll bet you that every truck that ran the past two years has something illegal on it according to the rules that are listed at the track, just some more that others. But does that mean if you only have one thing illegal and another has 5 things illegal that your legal and he's not I don't think so it just means he's faster. I for one really don't care what they come up for rules as long as there enforced, and we know what we can do and what we can't. And they get them posted so we have time to be ready for next year.

LETS GO RACING

Don Noffsinger 18N

you are right about them enforcing it but the origin of this meeting was somebody wasn't happy with the rules we made a few weekends ago and thats b/c they have to spend money to get back within the confinements of the rules and it pisses me off that they want the rules changed for them b/c they went over board in the beggining. there are 10 commandments in the bible, no one single person is going to judge you if you break them, but god knows, i guess where im going with that is you may have not been teched for two three years but you know whats right and the only thing people cheatd is themselves out of a bunch of work and money b/c they wanted to push the envelope and now they are mad b/c its useless by the rules set a few weeks ago. just my opinion

[rogk01]

I was not trying to start a fued, just wanted everybody to know there was another meeting, Sorry

[myers_racing22]

I was not trying to start a fued, just wanted everybody to know there was another meeting, Sorry

didn't intentionally start a fued but just saying things everyone else wants to say who won't say anything at the meeting in front of certain people and letting people know where i stand before going into this meeting this friday..... i say lets put sealed crate motor in the sob's and go racing then everyone has to spend some money and then it would be up to driver and set up to win!!!!!!!!! all problems solved!

[goober25]

just have ta throw in my 2 cents. I didn't call dean,I spoke up in the last meeting and I don't have a ton of money in any part of my truck. There are no easy answers for this class because of all the different motor options. I thought that a lot of the last meeting was confusing, something was thrown out and then moved on. Like the tire rule for instance, The vote was for no mod tires, and then ten minutes later we have to run a hoosier right rear. I love truck racing at waynesfield and wished that everyone could be happy but that just is not gonna happen. We just have to come together again and figure this out. Man you give a bunch of racers a couple months off and they get all wound up. I'm still happy to hear 23 races WOW. see ya friday

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You guys have a good thing going with the truck class it is growing every year. The best thing is keep some cool heads and talk it over , You dont want to see a good thing go by the way side.

[OGRE]

Wow....some things never die =) Bottom line is that all racers will look for that extra edge over their competitior no matter if you're racing for $10,000 or a trophy just to win the race.........that's why we call it a race. You can't say anyone has been cheating since there were no inspections due to the confusion on just that....what do you inspect and when do you inspect? You can't lay some guilt trip on the guys going fast because they have done thier homework and made their truck faster than yours. If there were to be an impromptu inspection and they had anything outside the rules then they would get caught and they know that up front. Unless you have a specific proven example then I would suggest not calling them out of breaking the rules untilt hey are enforced and regularly checked (this is not the fault of the track either as they haven't had the resources to do this but now they do). Sure there are some people that have done a little extra work to their motor internals........where is that illegal in a stock appearing rule? Now if the rules were more specific to call out a certain vacuum reading limit or a certain cc then yes you could restrict engine enhancement. There are many things that you can do to help even the playing field. Injunear suggested one. Another would be to invert the previous weeks winner to the back of the field the next week that he run's. Another would be to limit the number of wins one truck/driver can have prior to moving up a class. Listen, I'm not proposing these as rules....I'm only saying there are many options to even the playing field. Heck the claim rule hasn;t been utilized once yet (even thought I don't like this rule). If you really want to complain about the motors which have limited rules.......then you better look at the things there are specific rules for.............There are people running racing leaf springs......There are people running aftermarket body panels (not an advantage in my opinion).....There are people running both front racing springs (original rules said only right front racing spring)......there are people running brake shut off's (right front).....there are people running unsafe cages.......there are people running wider tires. My point is we can go on and on about rule violations but Don is correct.....you must inspect trucks for these violations!!!!!! I'll be glad to volunteer to be an inspector this season if needed. I've been on both ends of the spectrum and would make sure to do what is right for the track. I used to race this class and know what to look for......because I've done it myself at one time or another =) I only live about 5 minutes from the track and have supported WMP from the beginning. I don't want this class to die!!!! There are some really good people in this class and fun to be around!!!! Always be open minded and not so pessimistic. This is probably the best lesson I've learned since I've retired from racing. Ask yourself if you could change an outcome of a situation or if it's out of your control.

[RACE TRUCK 1]

Dan you would make a awsome and fair inspector! Now to the drivers in this truck class,I have raced in every form of racing from go-carts to mods,and every class has 2 or 3 idiots who have inflated ego's who have to win at all cost. The people who want to see this class to improve and make it, need to call out these owner,drivers and get a grip on this class or it will end up just like the stock car class at lima and eldora has. I ran against you guys and for the most part it is a very competetive class. But the 3 or 4 people who believe they are above the law or rules will bring this class down. The track has a chance with dean at the controls and you should listen to him and not all the drivers trying to pull this class in 3 diffrent directions. Thats the reason I took my truck to fremont and findlay. If you want to cheat(or bend the rules in your favor) move up to a diffrent class and put your ego in check! When I was racing stock cars in the 90's there were that few who wanted to do the same,I spoke up to fight them and was a marked man in the division for it,I fought to keep it a stock class,and lost and now look at the class, it is out of control with the cost to be competive. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN AT WAYNESFIELD!!!!!!!!!!! Fight to keep the cost down and racing will be the best side by side at any track! Just my 2 cents worth for what it's worth!!!!!!!

[Fatmatt]

Racing is racing and it will never change. Dean is a smart man and will do what is right for the class. Will see all of you Friday when we come together and become the fun class of racers that I know this class is.