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[Dirtracer48]

Dude, get real. not even a week ago, you were complainig about the stock cars not being competitive over on pitgate.

And claiming the waynesfield trucks were 2 seconds faster than all but three competitve stock cars.

[SP Motorsports]

Dude, get real. not even a week ago, you were complainig about the stock cars not being competitive over on pitgate.

They arent as competitive at the field as at lima. I love to watch them at Lima. its just with low car counts already, the reform is going to do nothing but hurt it even worse.

[SP Motorsports]

And claiming the waynesfield trucks were 2 seconds faster than all but three competitve stock cars.

Tim, i will get you lap times next time i take some. the lap times are pretty close when its a dry slick track, and thats with the trucks being outpowered a lot. There are about 5 stock cars that are running 18-19 second lap times. thats about 2-3 seconds slower than the trucks.

[master of all]

They arent as competitive at the field as at lima. I love to watch them at Lima. its just with low car counts already, the reform is going to do nothing but hurt it even worse.

I would have to disagree, why would they be less competive at the field? u show me one racer thats not competive. why else would they race? im sure its not just to spend all the money thats burning holes in pockets.

[ramrodd00]

They arent as competitive at the field as at lima. I love to watch them at Lima. its just with low car counts already, the reform is going to do nothing but hurt it even worse.

Dude, I gotta start hangin with you. The stuff I got must not even come close to what your smokin.

It's the same cars runnin at both tracks, how does that make em more competitive at either place????

As for reform.....if you make em cheaper to build and maintain, there will be more cars. it won't be a huge gain, cause like someone else said, fuel costs are hurtin alot of racers.....and fans.
how can a driver who's a blue collar kinda fella, afford to spend $140 in fuel for the race car, prolly another $50-75 in fuel for the hauler(obviously more if you're coming from further away), $50-100 in pit passes for him/herself and crew, plus general admission for his/her spouse and kids, and concession food for the family. so we're looking at $350 the average racer is out before he even hit's the track. then theres tires for the racecar, occasionally tires for the hauler, repairing the race car, etc. And the stock car class pays what to win for a normal show? $300? thank God for families like the Browns and Keysors, and sponsors, or there probably wouldn't be stock cars at all this year.

make 'em cheaper, or get rid of em althogether, if you get rid of 'em, your modified class, and prolly the trucks at the 'field would be your biggest beneficiaries.

[master of all]

Dude, I gotta start hangin with you. The stuff I got must not even come close to what your smokin.

It's the same cars runnin at both tracks, how does that make em more competitive at either place????

As for reform.....if you make em cheaper to build and maintain, there will be more cars. it won't be a huge gain, cause like someone else said, fuel costs are hurtin alot of racers.....and fans.
how can a driver who's a blue collar kinda fella, afford to spend $140 in fuel for the race car, prolly another $50-75 in fuel for the hauler(obviously more if you're coming from further away), $50-100 in pit passes for him/herself and crew, plus general admission for his/her spouse and kids, and concession food for the family. so we're looking at $350 the average racer is out before he even hit's the track. then theres tires for the racecar, occasionally tires for the hauler, repairing the race car, etc. And the stock car class pays what to win for a normal show? $300? thank God for families like the Browns and Keysors, and sponsors, or there probably wouldn't be stock cars at all this year.

make 'em cheaper, or get rid of em althogether, if you get rid of 'em, your modified class, and prolly the trucks at the 'field would be your biggest beneficiaries.

here is a im i recieved today from sp motorsports, i still would say i dont agree. cause i have seen the ones u call non competive are giving it thier all and trying real hard.
1/1stocks ( From: SP Motorsports )

The reason why the stocks are less competitive at the field is because there are about 5 less. Here are competitive guys that dont run Waynesfield:
Tim Bowen
Zach Bowen
Unoh stocks
Mark Hiatt
Earnie Woodard

some uncompetitive ones are:
21 of Kepling
3g of Bill Gross
57
52g
Andy King...

[SP Motorsports]

here is a im i recieved today from sp motorsports, i still would say i dont agree. cause i have seen the ones u call non competive are giving it thier all and trying real hard.
1/1stocks ( From: SP Motorsports )

The reason why the stocks are less competitive at the field is because there are about 5 less. Here are competitive guys that dont run Waynesfield:
Tim Bowen
Zach Bowen
Unoh stocks
Mark Hiatt
Earnie Woodard

some uncompetitive ones are:
21 of Kepling
3g of Bill Gross
57
52g
Andy King...

I never said that they arent great drivers and that they dont try hard, its just they dont quite have the funding and equipment. airgo, they are less competitive. They arent the ones that you see at the front every week is my point. So dont take it as they suck and they arent great drivers. obviously they are good drivers but they dont have the money and equipment that Babcock and the other front runners have. and it shows.

Edited by SP Motorsports, 17 June 2009 - 06:51 PM.

[unohracer65]

As a racer myself for quite a few years running on a budget just because the sport is so much fun I sure dont appreciate seeing someone talking down about other racers on a budget so why not just leave it at 5 cars rather than posting numbers and names which would kind of act as an embarrassment to the people wether you mean to or not. Not including names or numbers would be the nice thing to do so just a thought from a guy who races on a low budget dont go pointing it out to everyone that they dont run at the front. They are putting all they can into it just like everybody else. They are the ones you want in the pits as they are there for the pure love of racing and those are the guys who really appreciate getting that top 5 or feature win even more than the guys winning all the time. They are the ones you see that climb on top of their cars and really celebrate after a win or get back in the pits and have a huge smile on their face and you can really tell that they appreciate where they ran even if it wasnt a win. Not starting anything just a thought I got while reading this forum.

[SP Motorsports]

As a racer myself for quite a few years running on a budget just because the sport is so much fun I sure dont appreciate seeing someone talking down about other racers on a budget so why not just leave it at 5 cars rather than posting numbers and names which would kind of act as an embarrassment to the people wether you mean to or not. Not including names or numbers would be the nice thing to do so just a thought from a guy who races on a low budget dont go pointing it out to everyone that they dont run at the front. They are putting all they can into it just like everybody else. They are the ones you want in the pits as they are there for the pure love of racing and those are the guys who really appreciate getting that top 5 or feature win even more than the guys winning all the time. They are the ones you see that climb on top of their cars and really celebrate after a win or get back in the pits and have a huge smile on their face and you can really tell that they appreciate where they ran even if it wasnt a win. Not starting anything just a thought I got while reading this forum.

Yes i understand, and thats my point. These drivers are great drivers its just they cant quite get to the front. and many of them are getting there. i saw one car last saturday challenge Babcock in his heat race. He flat out passed him. and another that looked like a lower budget driver was staying up top three. Im not downing the drivers i mentioned, im saying that dont be changing the rules on these guys, because they are getting there and all of it would be taken away from them. Not many of the guys could afford to build a new car or change the one that they have now just because a few racestuders decided that the stock cars needed reformed.

and P.S. i did not post the numbers in the forum, i sent them in a p.m. to master of none to show him the numbers of the cars, because he asked!

[master of all]

Yes i understand, and thats my point. These drivers are great drivers its just they cant quite get to the front. and many of them are getting there. i saw one car last saturday challenge Babcock in his heat race. He flat out passed him. and another that looked like a lower budget driver was staying up top three. Im not downing the drivers i mentioned, im saying that dont be changing the rules on these guys, because they are getting there and all of it would be taken away from them. Not many of the guys could afford to build a new car or change the one that they have now just because a few racestuders decided that the stock cars needed reformed.

and P.S. i did not post the numbers in the forum, i sent them in a p.m. to master of none to show him the numbers of the cars, because he asked!

Not one time did i ask u for numbers, been around sport for a long time, I know every car and driver (not personaly) out there, im a big fan of stocks and didnt think it was right for u to IM me and get me in middle of ur mess. I respect all racers that try and win every week.

[Dirtracer48]

the thing i dont get about the rules is it says

d. Rear suspension must be stock O.E. design. No added lift arms, shocks or springs. Aftermarket pan hard bars are optional, but must be solid. Upper torque link/biscuit bar (24” max length) optional, but mounting point on car must be within 24 inches of axle centerline. No Macpherson struts or coilovers. No coilover eliminators.

I honestly think that aftermarket 4 links with birdcages like modifieds and latemodels are not stock o.e. design. The same with three links with panhard bars. make guys run a stock frame back to the where the coil springs mount and then allow leaf spring guys to go from stock front subframe and can use a "homemade frame" but must maintain stock mounting dimesions. i think the rear suspension designs and clip cars are a reason the class has gotten a little out of hand. Honestly why dont they just call them fendered modifieds??

just some food for thought.

Eh, make everyone run the exhaust into a single 1 3/4 outlet....that will solve the problems. Rear suspensions....helps but there are still a ton of fast cars on multileafs. Stock rear frames don't do anything but make it a lot harder to find donor frames. The problem is the engines. I know for a fact guys have spent well into 5 digits on their engine, and still complain they are being out-spent by another 5 grand.

Edited by Dirtracer48, 18 June 2009 - 01:19 AM.

[HillbillyHavok]

I drive the "UNCOMPETITIVE" number 57 stock car, I think we are doing pretty good for being our first full year of racing ever, we ran a couple shows at the end of last year at Limaland, just enough to tear the car all to pieces. We are running a full season at Waynesfield this year. Sammy Bodine has used the car a couple times at lima this year since he can't seem to keep a motor together. Our car is probably 10-15 years old, full frame, factory style suspension and it was dirt cheap (Perfect for learning in). I understand what your saying though, I personally like the rules the way they are, it leaves it open to see what someone can come up with next to top the other drivers. It is tough to compete in such a radical class and amazing group of drivers, but it gives you something to strive for in the long run. When they are so far ahead of you in skills, knowledge and finances, that means get to work on the car, do the homework, learn from the veterans/big dogs and try to find some decent sponsors to help make up for the lack of money. Its hard, but ya gotta do what it takes if u love the sport. I know we are not very strong on the track, but with time comes Experience (currently I have none!). If they go changing rules and limiting the different areas of the cars then the big dogs will just move up or get out, and a lot of the lower dollar crews will not be able to spend the cash to change what they already have, meaning they will be out also. My cousin runs down in Virginia in a factory style Street Stock class, he spends more money conforming to there tighter/smaller engine and chassis rules then a lot of the stockers around here. Its the nature of competition: For every rule, there is always a way around it or to bent it! In all I say leave it alone and lets just Race. HillBilly Havok Racing #57 stocker

[skip]

Very well Put. Sam will help you out he is a class act guy that just isnt having any luck this yr.

[HillbillyHavok]

Thanks Skip