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[wing44]

we ran non wing at 35 raceway last night and we had the best time ever racing the mini sprints. all the drivers that we asked said they loved it and said they all whould be up for it at waynesfield if we can get dean and all the other drivers to go wingless.it puts the driver in the seat and the side by side racing is great for the fans.post it here yes or no and we can ask dean if he whould be up for it.

[AK1]

we ran non wing at 35 raceway last night and we had the best time ever racing the mini sprints. all the drivers that we asked said they loved it and said they all whould be up for it at waynesfield if we can get dean and all the other drivers to go wingless.it puts the driver in the seat and the side by side racing is great for the fans.post it here yes or no and we can ask dean if he whould be up for it.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to see it as long as we'd get enough cars. I'm a big fan of any type of racing and taking the wings off the minis would definitely loosen 'em up.

Here's to hoping you guys can get the support of all the drivers.



Disclaimer: My statements on racestud, unless otherwise stated, are my own personal views, and are no no way endorsed, or reflect upon Waynesfield Raceway Park.

Edited by AK1, 14 June 2009 - 02:44 PM.

[skip]

In my opinion from a safety point of view i would say no. My point being you have a lot a young people just getting a start in racing. In the minis you dont have the big tires like a sprint car to take some of the big hits out of a roll. Dont know how big 35 raceway is but do they run as fast as they do at the field? Just dont want to see a young person trying to learn the ropes get hurt. Just my 2 cents worth i have nothing in it.

[injunear]

In my opinion from a safety point of view i would say no. My point being you have a lot a young people just getting a start in racing. In the minis you dont have the big tires like a sprint car to take some of the big hits out of a roll. Dont know how big 35 raceway is but do they run as fast as they do at the field? Just dont want to see a young person trying to learn the ropes get hurt. Just my 2 cents worth i have nothing in it.

I'd have to agree with Skip.


Completely a safety consideration for the younger drivers who have FLOCKED to this division.

I like the mini's too, but think they need those wings to absorb some of the shock, in the event of crash.


just my 9cents worth.

[AK1]

I'd have to agree with Skip.


Completely a safety consideration for the younger drivers who have FLOCKED to this division.

I like the mini's too, but think they need those wings to absorb some of the shock, in the event of crash.


just my 9cents worth.

I think 35 Raceway is a big 1/5 track. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The USAC Ford Focus midgets run on the same size tracks as the minis and run faster than the 600cc cars. There are several young racers in that series, but you don't hear complaints there. If anything, taking the wings off is going to slow them down a bit, especially through the corners.

Just a thought.

[SP Motorsports]

I think 35 Raceway is a big 1/5 track. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The USAC Ford Focus midgets run on the same size tracks as the minis and run faster than the 600cc cars. There are several young racers in that series, but you don't hear complaints there. If anything, taking the wings off is going to slow them down a bit, especially through the corners.

Just a thought.

Dobie ran non winged(on accident) last year i think. It slowed him way down. But id like to see it, but safety is NUMBER ONE concern. After last night, i hope that everyone realizes that. Sure, the cars are going slower, but it dont matter how slow you are going. As Chris Ullery stated, there needs to be more lighting in those corners. Thats where everyone gets hurt.

A few of the kids in that class are 12-15. Thats a young age to have something happen to them because they tried something that could be very dangerous, especially in a small car like that.

[slide22]

I think 35 Raceway is a big 1/5 track. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The USAC Ford Focus midgets run on the same size tracks as the minis and run faster than the 600cc cars. There are several young racers in that series, but you don't hear complaints there. If anything, taking the wings off is going to slow them down a bit, especially through the corners.

Just a thought.

First, 35 isn't close to being a 1/4 mile, so no its not a big 1/5 mile.

Second, the USAC Ford Focus series is a joke. 600cc cars will out run them, and a 1000cc car without a wing is faster. The Focus cars weigh the same as a full midget, while the mini-sprints are 150+ lbs lighter.

Last, Waynesfield, or any track bigger than 1/4 mile is not the place to run these cars non wing. Most of these cars don't have the midget components and aren't structurally strong enough to withstand a non-wing type flip on a big track. Plus how light the cars are, and generally how you can get some nasty holes in bigger tracks, you would get some nasty crashes.

I think this coming weekend at 35 should be interesting. The 1000's mixed with the 600's running non-wing at a little track should be a good show. I don't think the horsepower difference will really matter. 600's could probably run around the bottom, and 1000's would have the power to get up on the top, should put on a good race.

[ramrodd00]

First, 35 isn't close to being a 1/4 mile, so no its not a big 1/5 mile.

Second, the USAC Ford Focus series is a joke. 600cc cars will out run them, and a 1000cc car without a wing is faster. The Focus cars weigh the same as a full midget, while the mini-sprints are 150+ lbs lighter.

Last, Waynesfield, or any track bigger than 1/4 mile is not the place to run these cars non wing. Most of these cars don't have the midget components and aren't structurally strong enough to withstand a non-wing type flip on a big track. Plus how light the cars are, and generally how you can get some nasty holes in bigger tracks, you would get some nasty crashes.

I think this coming weekend at 35 should be interesting. The 1000's mixed with the 600's running non-wing at a little track should be a good show. I don't think the horsepower difference will really matter. 600's could probably run around the bottom, and 1000's would have the power to get up on the top, should put on a good race.

wow....kinday touchy when someone says somethng about 35, huh? Pretty messed up the way you put down the focus cars too. id like to see some minis outrun a focus midget. your point about the minis not being strong enough to take a nonwing flip is pretty mindboggling...ive seen wings come off in flips....wouldnt that mean their not strong enough to even be on a race track? it sure looks like you might be trying to pick up fans for 35 on the coattails of waynesfields racing....you might want to be nicer to people on here if thats the case.

just my couple pennies.

[wing44]

i was just asking to see what you all thought about it.thank you for all your concerns about safety i just have to input that taking the wing off slowed the cars down by over 4 seconds at 35.we whould also slow down by more than that at waynesfield there for slowing the crash down. we run at about 92 mph average at waynesfield with the wing on. so taking it off will put us at about 75mph and save alot of money in parts ie. wing ,wing tree,wing slider,front wing about $600.00 every flip. whould be the best stepping stone to move up to the big cars. just looking to run a couple of races that way to see what we all think about it. thank you all for your input but like you said safety first, slower speeds / slower crashes

[stocker]

That would mean the mini sprint would be turning a 9.7 second lap to avarage 92.7835 MPH I have been around racing a long time and this is not possable at Waynesfield. What is the avarage lap time there for a mini. The last time I was there was with Matt Miller in the late Model and our best time was a 14.987 and that would be 60.4026 MPH

[slide22]

That would mean the mini sprint would be turning a 9.7 second lap to avarage
92.7835 MPH I have been around racing a long time and this is not possable at Waynesfield. What is the avarage lap time there for a mini.
The last time I was there was with Matt Miller in the late Model and our best time was a 14.987 and that would be 60.4026 MPH

Yeah I doubt they run that fast. They get around pretty good, but not that fast. At Lawrenceburg the fastest we've been clocked at is low 15 second range. And that averages to around 90-95 Mph, and thats with 1000cc engines. I'd say they're getting around Waynesfield around 12-13 seconds though. Prolly hitting mid nineties on the straights.

[dewayne deewayne]

they average 13.5 to 14.5 seconds a lap

[skinnykenny]

A few years ago Tim Viles let me take his winged 600cc minisprint around Waynesfield for a few laps by myself. I think my fastest lap was a 9.2 !! But that might be off just a little bit because it was kinda hard to push the button on my stopwatch with my nomex gloves on while holding the steering wheel. I do hold the track record for those laps but it is not "official" because the track timing equiptment hadn't been calibrated for awhile. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!!! Ask Tim if you don't believe me!!

[stocker]

A few years ago Tim Viles let me take his winged 600cc minisprint around Waynesfield for a few laps by myself. I think my fastest lap was a 9.2 !! But that might be off just a little bit because it was kinda hard to push the button on my stopwatch with my nomex gloves on while holding the steering wheel. I do hold the track record for those laps but it is not "official" because the track timing equiptment hadn't been calibrated for awhile.
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!!! Ask Tim if you don't believe me!!

SkinnyKinny
This is how you start off by telling your story.( Well if this is not a true story it should be!!!!! ) And then tell it. That gives then the right to to belive it or not to belive it. HA HA

[The Terminator]

Yeah I doubt they run that fast. They get around pretty good, but not that fast. At Lawrenceburg the fastest we've been clocked at is low 15 second range. And that averages to around 90-95 Mph, and thats with 1000cc engines. I'd say they're getting around Waynesfield around 12-13 seconds though. Prolly hitting mid nineties on the straights.

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[wing44]

sorry the 92 mph was the top speed and that was clocked by a radar gun entering turn three.this is not to pic a fight just to ask the other mini sprinters what they think of it.

[SPIKER RACING PRODUCTS]

HERE IS WHAT I THINK, IF YOU WANT BETTER SIDE BY SIDE RACING NOT THIS FOLLOW THE LEADER BS TAKE THE WINGS OFF AND LEAVE IT TO THE DRIVER AND SETUP AND NOT TO THE MOTOR AND TOP WING. ANYBODY CAN DRIVE A CAR WITH A BIG WING HOLDING YOU DOWN. "LETS GO TOPLESS" IT WOULD SLOW THE CARS DOWN FOR THE NEW YOUNGER DRIVERS. I KNOW SOME FULL SIZE SPRINT CAR RACERS WOULD BUY THESE CARS TO RACE AT WAYNESFIELD WITHOUT WINGS. ONE MORE THING IF YOU WANT A GOOD WING MINI SPRINT SHOW AT WAYNESFIELD GET THE 1000CC CLASS HERE. THE TRACK IS TO BIG FOR THE 600CC MOTORS.

[slide22]

HERE IS WHAT I THINK, IF YOU WANT BETTER SIDE BY SIDE RACING NOT THIS FOLLOW THE LEADER BS TAKE THE WINGS OFF AND LEAVE IT TO THE DRIVER AND SETUP AND NOT TO THE MOTOR AND TOP WING. ANYBODY CAN DRIVE A CAR WITH A BIG WING HOLDING YOU DOWN. "LETS GO TOPLESS" IT WOULD SLOW THE CARS DOWN FOR THE NEW YOUNGER DRIVERS. I KNOW SOME FULL SIZE SPRINT CAR RACERS WOULD BUY THESE CARS TO RACE AT WAYNESFIELD WITHOUT WINGS. ONE MORE THING IF YOU WANT A GOOD WING MINI SPRINT SHOW AT WAYNESFIELD GET THE 1000CC CLASS HERE. THE TRACK IS TO BIG FOR THE 600CC MOTORS.

I think 1000cc class with wings would put on a pretty good show there, I thought the one last year was pretty good. The 600cc class in Ohio is dying... although the stock engine rule is a good step towards change.

Edited by slide22, 18 June 2009 - 04:41 PM.

[ramrodd00]

I think 1000cc class with wings would put on a pretty good show there, I thought the one last year was pretty good. The 600cc class in Ohio is all but dead anyways.

20-22 cars 2 weeks ago at waynesfield for a regular show and you say they're dead? With a little more promotion and some advertisement they could easily see 30 cars.

[SP Motorsports]

the first few weeks this year and last year a lot of times there were ten-fifteen. so obviously they arent all but dead and the car counts are rising. I agree with the promotion/advertising. There are a lot of guys looking for mini sprint tracks from Indiana, Ive told a few about Waynesfield and they didnt even know. Plus, they could bring a few Non wing buddies along too!