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[slide22]

20-22 cars 2 weeks ago at waynesfield for a regular show and you say they're dead? With a little more promotion and some advertisement they could easily see 30 cars.

That was a sunday race also though. There are not that many 600's around... car counts have been dropping steadily. I remember several years ago 35-40 cars at Wayensfield then when 35 opened back up 20-25 cars at each track. I would love to see them go back to that, but something needs to change for it to happen

[ttenmotorsports]

That was a sunday race also though. There are not that many 600's around... car counts have been dropping steadily. I remember several years ago 35-40 cars at Wayensfield then when 35 opened back up 20-25 cars at each track. I would love to see them go back to that, but something needs to change for it to happen

that was actually a saturday race that we had over 20 cars, and 2 weeks ago i believe it was we had 17-19 cars.

[ramrodd00]

That was a sunday race also though. There are not that many 600's around... car counts have been dropping steadily. I remember several years ago 35-40 cars at Wayensfield then when 35 opened back up 20-25 cars at each track. I would love to see them go back to that, but something needs to change for it to happen

I would say people not saying they're dead would be a good start. JMO

[slide22]

that was actually a saturday race that we had over 20 cars, and 2 weeks ago i believe it was we had 17-19 cars.

My bad I knew there was a sunday race, just figured that was it. Like i said though the stock engine rule is a good deal and hopefully can bring the class back to how it used to be (and should.)
How it was before with 3-4 cars with built engines really ruins it for everyone, driving up cost, making other people get the big engines. JMO but all these series and tracks should go to stock engines.

[ttenmotorsports]

i agree i think the stock rule really helped. i think if the economy would come back we could easily be getting 25 cars every race.

[123]

didnt that new 1000 class take most of the cars that ran at 35 yes or no

[slide22]

didnt that new 1000 class take most of the cars that ran at 35 yes or no

Most of us ran with them last season, but this year they scheduled all of their races 3+ hours away from us so we're running AMSA this year, but yes alot of the cars that used to run 35 left for 1000/1200's.

[cornflake]

you people know that the people that were bitching the last couple of years were the people that were running in the back guess what they are still there running in the back. i think the rules should go back to the way they were. i see 305 cars beat 360 sprint cars i also see 360 cars beat 410s it is set up and driver just my 2 cents worth

[123]

you people know that the people that were bitching the last couple of years were the people that were running in the back guess what they are still there running in the back. i think the rules should go back to the way they were. i see 305 cars beat 360 sprint cars i also see 360 cars beat 410s it is set up and driver just my 2 cents worth

Yep

[wing44]

lets try this again just the mini sprinters reply please. are you open to a non-wing race at wrp. yes or no. this is not for every week.

Edited by wing44, 22 June 2009 - 04:18 PM.

[ttenmotorsports]

yes.

[slide22]

lets try this again just the mini sprinters reply please. are you open to a non-wing race at wrp. yes or no. this is not for every week.

After saturday and trying it out...yes I think it would be a good deal. If you switched to non-wing you could open the engine rule back up as well. I'm still kinda iffy about crashing one, especially after the 9 car's flip in the heat race at 35.. that happens at Waynesfield it could be nasty.

But overall, yes.

[stif racing]

You take the wing off the mini sprints at WRP I think you will see your car count drop. You get one of them in a nasty flip and things get ugly, these cars will not take the shot of a nasty flip like a full size sprint and there have been some full size sprints at WRP destroyed. if you take the wing off and slow them down then your running closer to the full size non wing cars but the damage is alot worse if you get one flipping.

[slide22]

You take the wing off the mini sprints at WRP I think you will see your car count drop. You get one of them in a nasty flip and things get ugly, these cars will not take the shot of a nasty flip like a full size sprint and there have been some full size sprints at WRP destroyed. if you take the wing off and slow them down then your running closer to the full size non wing cars but the damage is alot worse if you get one flipping.

Thats the thing I'm worried about.. these cars are MUCH lighter than anything else that runs non-wing and one bad rut or a too tight race car and you're in the fence or the corn/bean field. This isn't sprint car racing where guys can swap frames and components out with no problem. A junk frame and quite a few teams are done for the year. At 35 on saturday 2 cars got together on the very bottom of the track and one car went end over end 7 or 8 times into the fence, and this was at very low speeds. Imagine Waynefield.

I'm for it if the teams realize how much stuff will be torn up.

An idea which would probably be shot down would to have an open engine rule. Anything under 1270cc. That way you could have enough power to get yourself out of trouble... just a thought. With the 600's it could easily be a momentum train like it is now...

[Need for Speed]

It is not (and never has been), a guarantee that the top wing will stay on the car in a flip......so if the chassis' are not safe , they are not safe....wing or not. Why would the cage be designed any different than a Midget, Sprint Car, or Champ Dirt car, and not be designed with the intent to withstand a crash/flip..with hopefully the driver not getting hurt? Dumping a car costs big money to fix or replace parts, chassis, etc...not to mention the potential of injury, no matter if it is a full size sprinter, or a mini, size of the track, or speed of the car....and no matter if it's a wing car or not. It seems like there are a lot of -young- drivers in the Mini-Sprints at Waynesfield....which is fine. However, it also seems like there are quite a few 'questionable' moves being made on the track....chopping, blocking, squaring off the corner, driving 'at' people, etc. Wings or not, that needs to change.

[slide22]

It is not (and never has been), a guarantee that the top wing will stay on the car in a flip......so if the chassis' are not safe , they are not safe....wing or not.

Not trying to attack but you don't understand what the wing is doing during the crash. When a car hits upside down with the wing( or a wall,) The wing folds up and collapses absorbing alot of the blow from the crash. In effect this slows the flip of the car down. Without the wing the chassis itself absorbs most of the blow, with the only thing slowing the flip down being the bolt on components on the axles. Once a non-wing car starts flipping it usually flips till it hits something to stop it, which can be a scary situation. The wing also keeps the car locked down to the ground, so alot of times when a winged car hits a rut it just keeps on going. Without the wing there is hardly any downforce being put on the car, and alot of times the car will go over. Hell if you have the car setup too tight you stand a good chance of going over. Being alot of young drivers at Wanyesfield, they really don't have the experience of saving a car when it gets out of shape like that. Go look on youtube and compare crashes between non-wing and winged cars and you'll see.

Maybe running 2-3 races the rest of the year without the wings and see how it works, I love non-wing, its a blast, but there's a reason you see alot more non-wing drivers getting hurt than winged.


Look how simple something by catching someone elses tire can turn into a nasty crash.

Edited by slide22, 23 June 2009 - 02:09 AM.

[wrench 1]

waynesfield doent need another division they need to grow the one they have. if you really want more cars ,than you need to stick with one set of rules. if not the people who want to get a mini sprint in the years to come dont see it as a stable class and shy away from getting one.just my 2 cent.

[Need for Speed]

Slide22:

In my 37 years of attending races in one form or another...watching multiple sanctioning bodies such as NAMARS, USAC, ASCoC, WoO, SOD, etc. as well as non sanctioned races, on dirt and pavement, with and without a wing, in 4 different states....You could say I have seen more than a few flips/crashes- barrel rolls, end over ends, multi car flips, grinding mulitple car pile ups, 'out of the ball park' flips and so on....and not to attack you, but I know full well that in a crash/flip, the wing will absorb some of the energy by collapsing, and thus slow the crash down/soften the crash some.

I also know that a wing helps plant the car on the ground...and it also can make a so-so driver look better while it acts like a rudder on top of the car. I also know that the wing creates a lot of drag on the engine.

However, you should know that there are times that the wing is torn off early in a crash/flip.......ripped off by the fence, by a passing car, the first impact with the ground, or the front mounts break and the wing flops backwards and isn't over top of the cage to soften any ensuing impacts.

What happens then???

Check out this clip from Knoxville...(I was there for the then 'Super Modified Nationals' in 1975) http://www.youtube.c...feature=related what happened to both of their top wings??...yep, ripped off, and the cars continued to flip. During those flips, the wing wasn't there to do anything!

So, like I said "It is not (and never has been), a guarantee that the top wing will stay on the car in a flip......so if the chassis' are not safe , they are not safe....wing or not. "

Edited by Need for Speed, 23 June 2009 - 06:28 PM.

[ramrodd00]

So, like I said "It is not (and never has been), a guarantee that the top wing will stay on the car in a flip......so if the chassis' are not safe , they are not safe....wing or not. "

Right on dude. I tried to tell him the same thing on the first page of this thread.

[wing44]

thank you (need for speed) that is what i was wanting to here.the chassis builders are building these cars for the non-wing as well as with a wing on them. the same chassis are and have been running on asphalt for many years running well over 100mph. what we need to get the car counts up is to work with other tracks and set up a schedule. whould like to see us run a couple times at lima land like last year. and 35 raceway. with a wing is fine with me.