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[Rockstar]

3000 dollars roughly depending what dealer you get it from

And really you probably need to buy 2 so if something happens to one and you run both tracks you have one to put in while the other is being fixed...... hmmm...... I don't have that kind of $$$$. At least if I have something I've thrown together I may not make the A but I can at least get some points. I'm just not totally sold on this but I do like to hear others opinions.

[Rockstar]

The thing that always got me with the eldora/limaland "stocks" is how radical the rules were. I was building a car for there when I attended unoh but when I moved back to pennsylvania I was forced to sell it due to it only being legal at few tracks. In my opinion the rules need to be toned down a bit. Now after market 3 or 4 link suspensions, put a good set of engine rules in place to limit the costs to a degree, and also allow guys to run the 8" tire. I am a supporter of crate engines but not in the stocks. If you want to talk to guys about crate stocks, speak to the racers at mercer raceway park.

I agree. Crate engines are good, but not for a stock car class. The rules have gotten out of hand over the years. Each year they allow a little more and a little more and look where they are now. I don't so much think that it's the rules that are hurting the car counts (sometimes they are lucky to have a B main), but the economy more than anything. Even the Big money shows at Lima weren't drawing huge car counts and a few years ago they were always running a B.

[newracer20]

they emailed me back and said that nothing hs been gone over officailly but that they are considering only oem bodys being run/.......that was straight from eldora

[hoosier race fan]

they emailed me back and said that nothing hs been gone over officailly but that they are considering only oem bodys being run/.......that was straight from eldora

I know it would be a pain for a lot of the guys who have the slab bodies now, but I think it would be great if they went to the oem body rules. Make them look like stock cars again. I'm not sure why they let it turn into what it is now, but it would honestly give their racers a lot more options of where to race when Eldora is off. I've just never liked a car that looks like one of my 8th grade students put it together. It would be nice for the racers if they would announce what the changes will be so guys don't start spending money and building for next year and have to change it later.

[Rockstar]

I know it would be a pain for a lot of the guys who have the slab bodies now, but I think it would be great if they went to the oem body rules. Make them look like stock cars again. I'm not sure why they let it turn into what it is now, but it would honestly give their racers a lot more options of where to race when Eldora is off. I've just never liked a car that looks like one of my 8th grade students put it together. It would be nice for the racers if they would announce what the changes will be so guys don't start spending money and building for next year and have to change it later.

I'm confused.....is it the way the cars look that bother people or the other expenses that make the class getting out of hand (i.e. 3 or 4 link suspension, the thought of crate enginges, etc)? I really don't think going to oem bodies is going to make the cars less expensive (maybe more work). I don't think it's going to make them any slower (people will just adjust for the weight)....what is the point? That seems like a useless rule change to me. I think Limaland/Eldora have some of the nicest looking stock cars around. Remember....this isn't demo derby, that's where the oem bodies belong. What "front wheel" drive body to you want to use???

Edited by Rockstar, 04 September 2009 - 10:05 PM.

[hoosier race fan]

I'm confused.....is it the way the cars look that bother people or the other expenses that make the class getting out of hand (i.e. 3 or 4 link suspension, the thought of crate enginges, etc)? I really don't think going to oem bodies is going to make the cars less expensive (maybe more work). I don't think it's going to make them any slower (people will just adjust for the weight)....what is the point? That seems like a useless rule change to me. I think Limaland/Eldora have some of the nicest looking stock cars around. Remember....this isn't demo derby, that's where the oem bodies belong.

No I agree that the bodies are probably the least of the problems. I was just commenting on what someone else said about going to oem bodies. The body doesn't make you faster but a lot of tracks won't let you race unless it is stock appearing. The 3 and 4 link suspension is the deal breaker in my opinion. Once you allow that, you basically have modifieds. Plus, a big expensive motor doesn't do any good if you can't hook it up, so if you don't allow the 3 and 4 link suspension, it reduces the effectiveness of those big motors. You will always have idiots that spend thousands on a motor, but I've seen guys be competitive running against those motors with a home built 406 or 355.

[Rockstar]

No I agree that the bodies are probably the least of the problems. I was just commenting on what someone else said about going to oem bodies. The body doesn't make you faster but a lot of tracks won't let you race unless it is stock appearing. The 3 and 4 link suspension is the deal breaker in my opinion. Once you allow that, you basically have modifieds. Plus, a big expensive motor doesn't do any good if you can't hook it up, so if you don't allow the 3 and 4 link suspension, it reduces the effectiveness of those big motors. You will always have idiots that spend thousands on a motor, but I've seen guys be competitive running against those motors with a home built 406 or 355.

Is there still a motor claim for the stocks and mods??? That would help keep the BIG money motors out and the little guy can claim.

[Dirtracer48]

Sounds like a "heads up arses" idea, or trying to conform to a sanctioning bodies rules for the future. An aftermarket body doesn't cost more, unless you buy it directly from performance. Either body requires a nose piece. A stock body entails the cost of the donor car, and countless hours cutting, and gutting to fit in to the car. I am not sure where someone got the idea that a stock body couldn't be fitted onto the current cars either....not an issue. An aftermarket body can be made out of 2-3 sheets of aluminum in a fraction of the time, and it doesn't need additional body work or paint...already done. Just seems like a good way to cost people time, money, and drive even more cars away from the division. 3-4 bars aren't all that either. Babcock and Anderson are on leafs....not sure about others. To the post above that said guys are spending "thousands of dollars on their engines"......make that tens of thousands. You may call them idiots, the rest of us refer to them as the top ten.

[eldorahighsideman]

Very well put Dirtracer48. The main reason why they started to let stock cars run the bodies they do now is for a couple of reasons. The number 1 reason was that the oem bodies are getting to hard to come buy and the "donor" cars are getting rather expensive. Plus its easier to keep your car looking recpectful without haveing the issue of spending a crap load of money and time looking for oem bodies. The 3 and 4 bar allowance is a big issue when it comes to stock cars. You can have a giant motor but if you cant hook it up to the track it does you know good. I have been always against the allowance of 3 and 4 bar suspensions on stock cars. Im a firm beleiver it should be leaf or coil springs. Making an oem body rule will drive your car count and drivers out of the class. Then again Eldora treat there stock class like major crap anyways. Maybe that is what they are wanting, to get rid of the stock class who knows.

[junker]

ok i know that the 8c car has less then $5,000 in the engines in his car and is a top 5 car so you dont need 10,000 in one i do know this it my engine just so you know this is Jim Hatcher

[hoosier race fan]

To the post above that said guys are spending "thousands of dollars on their engines"......make that tens of thousands. You may call them idiots, the rest of us refer to them as the top ten.

I know about those motors in the tens of thousands range. My dad and uncle had one and that was 10 years ago, so I can't imagine what some people are spending on them now. It doesn't automatically make a top ten car though. I know a driver that has less than 3k in his motor and he's a top ten car every time he races. He just knows how to run well at the local tracks and how to set up the car for them. As highsideman and myself have already said, a big motor is no good if you can't hook it up. Take away the 3 and 4 links and that will make it harder for some of those big motors to get hooked up.

[stocker]

Ok can someone name the people that are running the 3 -4 bar cars or Z-links at limaland. I bet 98% to 99% of the teams are leaf spring cars. And Jim is right the motor in the 8c car is a solid lift flat tappet cam 383 stright pluged motor. and can win races and run in the top 5 Big motors can help you and can even hurt you at times its still all about the time spent in the garage at nights and weekends that pays off at the pay window. I would just like to see the tracks give us dirt tires and not change any other rules and then the fans would have some fun watching when the cars are running two and three wide and passing. not this fallow the leader stick your nose out to pass a slower car not get back in before the car behind you shuts the door on you and you loose the spot. This would also stop the crappy slide jobs gone wrong races. As far as the 3 bar car, I can only think of one car and still would race with that guy any time (The 26 team)

[Rockstar]

Sounds like a "heads up arses" idea, or trying to conform to a sanctioning bodies rules for the future. An aftermarket body doesn't cost more, unless you buy it directly from performance.

Either body requires a nose piece. A stock body entails the cost of the donor car, and countless hours cutting, and gutting to fit in to the car. I am not sure where someone got the idea that a stock body couldn't be fitted onto the current cars either....not an issue. An aftermarket body can be made out of 2-3 sheets of aluminum in a fraction of the time, and it doesn't need additional body work or paint...already done. Just seems like a good way to cost people time, money, and drive even more cars away from the division.

3-4 bars aren't all that either. Babcock and Anderson are on leafs....not sure about others.

To the post above that said guys are spending "thousands of dollars on their engines"......make that tens of thousands. You may call them idiots, the rest of us refer to them as the top ten.

Do you really think the top ten are spending that kind of money??? Does anyone do their own engines anymore and run up front?

[eldorahighsideman]

There is alot of things that could be done to help the class out. For example make them all run spec carbs. That way everyone is using the same carb and the only thing there aloud to do is change jets. You would be surprised on how much that would do. The racing tires would allow them to put on a better show and allow for some better racing and better control. Were just going to have to wait and see what all they make up there minds on what to do.

[Rockstar]

There is alot of things that could be done to help the class out. For example make them all run spec carbs. That way everyone is using the same carb and the only thing there aloud to do is change jets. You would be surprised on how much that would do. The racing tires would allow them to put on a better show and allow for some better racing and better control. Were just going to have to wait and see what all they make up there minds on what to do.

What is the cost difference between a racing tire and the street tires they are running? Is this just opening another rule up in a class that most people are saying is getting out of hand anyway?

[eldorahighsideman]

The actual price I dont know. It all falls back to going back to oem bodies. That is why everyone starting to let stock cars run the bodies they do now. There cheaper, easier to get than an oem body, able to keep the cars looking better. If I was to guess I would say the price difference is possibly 30 to 40 dollars. I may be wrong on that. Just like I said in my previous post, run a spec carb. That will equal the cars out more than what you guys think.