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[skip]

well its the 2nd week of dec wasnt there suppose to be a word on what would go on next year?

[stocker]

Yea, I heard only Mods, sprints and trucks. Stock cars are gone 600 hundreds and compacts will all be out. Heard there will be no tow money fore the people who dont make the show. Lets see how long this track stays open.

[Quick_61]

sounds to me like track will be a joke.... all the unhappy racers need to call greg and voice there opinion I just don't know why someone has to screw up a good thing....

[skip]

i think we all need to just wait for a official anouncement from someone, but i think they have had enought time to let someone know what is going on,so the guys know what they want to do for next year on building their cars.like scotty said some guy bought a mini sprint, and now they heard they might not be running.

[rogk01]

I agree we all will have to wait and see what is said. About tow money I am pretty sure you had to make the show this year to get paid but I could be wrong, and wouldnt be the first time [today that is]. I hope they dont change it to much I really enjoyed the racing out there and we really didnt run that late every week so I dont see the problem. I know it was allways rushed with all the classes but how would you as an track operator decide which clases to cut. I am sure it would have to be which class brings in the most money. Dont any body take this the wrong way but the lower classes have allways brought in more people to the pits than the upper classes because more people know the guy or girl down the street that has a stock or some other car and goes out to help them. I know that more in the stands might like the sprints but theres alot more in the pits than the stands every week. I remember reading in Stock car or one of those that entry level classes bring in like 4 or 5 people for each car and upper classes were like 2 or 3 so I guess do the math and go from there. Hope everybody has a great Christmas and hope to see all back next year. Roger

[stocker]

People that was the words from the guy who is running the track next year.

[skip]

who is that comming from tim? cub, andy james or who, i heard andy was in on it,or is someone else in on it to, i know at lima when the stocks run the back stretch fence is lined with people, i cant believe they would cut the stocks, just have to wait on a word, i hope they do a better job on the web site with some news pretty soon.

[stocker]

Stright from the person who sat down with Cub and I think his name was Andy dont hold me to that one. The way I was told there are around 40 (600) that has talked about running there this year I know for a fact we lost 6 drivers this year in quatermidgets that bought cars and was going to run there this year. The two people who are going to run the place said they want the grandstand full and would rather put 120 fans in the grandstand then 120 people in the pits with cars. Lets do the math. 120 x $8.00 = $960.00 120 x $21.00= $2,520.00 Bring on the grandstand people the bank will love you on Monday. I think its great when Greg started that track the stock cars mods helped get that track where it is today. The first year there might have been 6 to 10 non wing sprints but they think they will pull cars from Kokomo and Lawernceburg maybe one night or two. After no tow money the people who drove all that way will be back to there home track the next week. And to answer the question on the tow money yes they paid it for everybody that started a heatrace in the mods and stocks the first year. I hope they change there minds if not maybe the car count will incress at the big-e next year for stocks. More cars means more fun in the stands for the people.

[1 Fast 83]

I would bet it is/was a very difficult decision on cutting classes, and which ones. Also, I REALLY don't want to offend anyone with this!!...................but, I think Waynesfield had too many 'entry level' classes....compacts, trucks, mini-sprints, and stocks. I don't think the races lasted too long, and all the classes put on decent shows, and I also don't want to get into 'doing the math'. But they must have felt they needed to streamline the program. Each of the classes had good car counts, and I'm sure they had people coming in the gates to help/watch them race. the only thing I can think of they could try/have tried was rotating the entry classes...then again maybe they didn't want to mess with that either.

[skip]

what little bit i was there it looked like the sprints mod,s and stock counts were starting to grow,its hard to compete against eldora on a sat night when they are runnning.with the jerry butler memorial you would think they would keep the stocks. [This message has been edited by skip (edited 12-15-2006).]

[OGRE]

Ok here I go just being myslef again. I'm not offended about the 'entry level' class comment but to be frank.....we're all entry level classes. The last time I checked I didn't know of anyone at in the Lima, Waynesfield or Eldora ranks that actually makes a profession out of racing and that includes the top of the line sprint class. This is a hobby for all of us and we love racing....from a front wheel drive street car that someone knocked the windows out of all the way to a high dollar 360 winged sprint. I don't know what Waynesfield will do but whatever they do it's their track and we can't change it. 6 classes is too much and it does take some purse moneyt away that could be spread out more......but exactly which 'entry level' class do you cut out? Now I'm not dogging any higher dollar class by my comments......I'm simply saying that we all race for the love of it. I totally agree that there are sprint drivers, mod drivers, and stock drivers that have far more experience than I have and are excellent drivers. I can't tell Waynesfield how to run their track but honestly I doubt that they'll drop all the classes......I bet they'll rotate classes just to see what kind of difference it makes on their crowd turnout. One last comment...I would love to race a stock, mod or sprint myself...but the reason I race a truck is because that's all I can afford to run and I love to race, so that's what I do....RACE. Let's all just hope things work out for the best at Waynesfield.

[rogk01]

I will second that!

[truck18]

hell yeah

[skip]

dan i wasnt dogging any one by my comment. if you were refering to me. i already emailed kenny and i told him that they have to keep some of the lower class,s like the mini sprints and trucks, it gives the little guy a place to race cheap. the compac,s werent getting very many cars. but the three other class,s were starting to draw more cars every week. and thats what you need more cars in every division.i just think they need to let people know as to what is gonna happen. what shows i did make i watched some good racing, like i have told kenny i would rather go to waynesfield than eldora.i havent been there in 2 years.its what half way thru the off season and no word yet as to what is gonna go down. even with running that many class,s the show didnt last that long, they just need to find a way to get people in the stands.lima and eldora is gonna start costing some money to go there i think we all know they are going big time,in my own opinion i would rather watch a good short track race with tight racing than a high speed track like eldora.i would think that with more class,s it gives the fans a little more variety as to what they would like to watch. [This message has been edited by skip (edited 12-16-2006).]

[OGRE]

No skip....I wasn't referring to you at all....I love you as a race fan! You have a vast knowledge of racing and you are the type of person that tracks should listen to!!! I love Waynesfield #1 because it's literally in my back yard.....#2 because I watched this track being made....#3 because just like you said it gives a budget racer a place to race!! I always enjoyed talking to you skip and I will in the future also! If some of these local tracks would listen to people like you then maybe we could get some people in the seats. I want more fans there also, I love talking to the kids about racing!

By the way.......Merry Christmas to you Skip.

Originally posted by skip:
dan i wasnt dogging any one by my comment. if you were refering to me. i already emailed kenny and i told him that they have to keep some of the lower class,s like the mini sprints and trucks, it gives the little guy a place to race cheap. the compac,s werent getting very many cars. but the three other class,s were starting to draw more cars every week. and thats what you need more cars in every division.i just think they need to let people know as to what is gonna happen. what shows i did make i watched some good racing, like i have told kenny i would rather go to waynesfield than eldora.i havent been there in 2 years.its what half way thru the off season and no word yet as to what is gonna go down. even with running that many class,s the show didnt last that long, they just need to find a way to get people in the stands.lima and eldora is gonna start costing some money to go there i think we all know they are going big time,in my own opinion i would rather watch a good short track race with tight racing than a high speed track like eldora.i would think that with more class,s it gives the fans a little more variety as to what they would like to watch.

[This message has been edited by skip (edited 12-16-2006).]

[skip]

with all the hotdogs i have ate i need to play santa, i dont have that much knowledge. im like you i watched lima being built thru the years, and kennys dad he helped to build lima. its the little tracks like lima and waynesfield that give eldora their future drivers.i hope they dont drop any of the class,s, but rotate them rather than drop them.every one has to start somewhere and there is nothing wrong with a place like waynesfield.if i hadnt of lost my part time job i would be at both tracks on friday and sat night.but i like the sprints and thats why i go to lima, but i like to watch any kind of racing, with wheels. you to have a nice xmas and the rest of you. [This message has been edited by skip (edited 12-16-2006).]

[1 Fast 83]

OGRE: I was trying to not single out any class/classes.... I know that unless somebody is racing in a 'touring' series, they are 'entry level'..as you said. But, to balance a short track program, a track/promoter needs a 'pricey class', a 'halfway pricey class', and a 'cheap class'...all of those terms are relitive of course. In all honesty, a front wheel drive compact is the 'stock car' of our day. Remember when the mods first arrived in this area...they were called "E-Mods" The 'E' meaning economy. Economy to me, means cheap....but they are far from 'cheap'. I'm not saying anyone doesn't spend enough money...or that anyone spends too much money. That is up to them as far as what they are comfortable with/capable of spending. However, at most tracks the sprint cars, or late models are the 'headline' class, and there is normally 2 'support' classes. What those are on any given night is up to the race tracks management. Stew Reamer (NSSN columnist, and speaker at the annual racing promoter workshops) wrote a 3-4 week article in National Speed Sport News recently, about how and why short tracks are losing butts in the stands. One of the reasons he stated was 'Too many support classes'. Like I said, I'm not picking on any classes, and I'm sure it is/was a tough decision for Wanyesfield's management.

[Dr. Speedy]

Just my opinion, but Stock cars were one of the main classes at Waynesfield, and believe me they might be entry level, but by no means are they cheap if you want to be competitive. I like all forms of dirt racing, and you never get back what you have invested, so it isn't the money they are racing for at any track in support classes, it is the chance to race, and discover talent. And mainly to have a good time. 'cause even winning in a support class like stocks might buy you a tire and $20 worth of fuel, and maybe enough gas to get you to the track. Just my 2 cents