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[SVT]

What if the truck class was split into two classes? Stock and modified?

[compact racer]

What if the truck class was split into two classes? Stock and modified?

Please do we're wanting to have one but don't want to get into the motor game. If they do we'll have one for sure.

[eldora97]

we dont need another class....

[Fatmatt]

We can't get 20 to show now.

[compact racer]

We can't get 20 to show now.

How much does it cost to build a competitive engine now. Could this be the reason the count is down? Sounds like someone who matters thinks so.

[paintman60]

I LIKE THE IDEA BUT I AGREE CLASS ISNT BIG ENOUGH NOW FOR THAT BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL TO HAVE A RUN WHATCHA BRUNG NIGHT WITH A OPEN MOTOR AT END OF YEAR

[compact racer]

I LIKE THE IDEA BUT I AGREE CLASS ISNT BIG ENOUGH NOW FOR THAT BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL TO HAVE A RUN WHATCHA BRUNG NIGHT WITH A OPEN MOTOR AT END OF YEAR

I use to race at a track that did run what you brung races at the end of the yr for stocks. The problem was the next yr thats what was running. After a few yrs it went from pure stocks to sportsman cars and the class was ruined.

[double checkered]

Since its an opinion question, I'll add mine. I don't think the truck class should be broken into 2 divisions. Its an "entry level" class but no matter people will always have something better than the next. If its a motor issue then it needs to be policed. If car is legal to rules then there shouldn't be complaining. The only way it makes sense to split class is to make them v8 trucks like Fremont. But then you are competiting for cars since not all WRP trucks will make the change. I really like the class the way it is. I know there are 4 "front runners". But everyone gets faster every year. I've seen 3 trucks make huge improvements this past year. I'm sure for some they feel they may be "out spent" into victory lane. It will be that way in any class. On the run what ya brung, off topic from subject, I love those races. It gives people the opportunity to show their ingenuity. Crazy bodied cars, wings, tires. Usually they were just to have fun and do something different. If a class morphs in the off season because of one show and the end of the previous year then shame on the track for not enforcing the rules it already had in place. So my vote: split trucks no, run what ya brung yes. Jeremy

[paintman60]

I use to race at a track that did run what you brung races at the end of the yr for stocks. The problem was the next yr thats what was running. After a few yrs it went from pure stocks to sportsman cars and the class was ruined.

maybe it would make people like to watch the trucks more if they were faster and if your looking to give fans something fun to watch it might be the answer because you have the compacts for a starter class . im sure there are pros and cons to it but i like open motor trucks and am for it we are using hoosier race tires it would be fun to have a motor to USE them

[racer50]

compact racer if you can do the assy work and have a good machine shop with a guy that knows what he's doing you can build an engine that can run up front for about $1000- $1500. A little over the cost of a rebuild. I have a brother in law that races karts and spends that on a 5 hp Briggs. If you look at the truck rules there are a lot of things that can be done to these engines and are legal. Of course some are going to push that to the limit and some will go over the limit. That happens in every class including the compacts . Like double checkered said the way to control it is to tech. Another way is to put up the $200 to tear someone down, its in the rules, if there illegal you get your money back and the illegal one gets nothing for the night. Must not have been that big of problem as no one got tore down this year although I did hear bitching. The thing is there are rules but alot of guys brought 100,000 mile motors and thought they could run with the front runners ( not going to happen) also alot of the guys didn't handlel very well and that means more than a big motor. Svt you said what if they run a stock and modified class, they do their all stock motors but some modify them within the rules.

Edited by racer50, 08 November 2010 - 06:04 PM.

[compact racer]

compact racer if you can do the assy work and have a good machine shop with a guy that knows what he's doing you can build an engine that can run up front for about $1000- $1500. A little over the cost of a rebuild. I have a brother in law that races karts and spends that on a 5 hp Briggs. If you look at the truck rules there are a lot of things that can be done to these engines and are legal. Of course some are going to push that to the limit and some will go over the limit. That happens in every class including the compacts . Like double checkered said the way to control it is to tech. Another way is to put up the $200 to tear someone down, its in the rules, if there illegal you get your money back and the illegal one gets nothing for the night. Must not have been that big of problem as no one got tore down this year although I did hear bitching. The thing is there are rules but alot of guys brought 100,000 mile motors and thought they could run with the front runners ( not going to happen) also alot of the guys didn't handlel very well and that means more than a big motor. Svt you said what if they run a stock and modified class, they do their all stock motors but some modify them within the rules.

All I know is that the guys up front sure aren't stock and yes you'll never find racing that someone doesn't out spend the rest. I'm not the compact racer I'm the owner of the cars and I've been in racing for over 30yrs so i know how it works. What i do know is that I've been told by a lot of guys who have trucks and aren't racing or don't race often say the cost of a competitive engine is to high for them. Apparently they have been in the track owners ear as I think thats who started the post. I could be wrong of course. I'd like to have one and there out there for sale. I'm not bitching about whats going on in the class as I'm not involved, yet any way. Pure stock would help drag me in though.

[injunear]

that would be my question, too.... What is the PRECISE definition of STOCK, and what is the PRECISE definition of modified?

[skip]

that would be my question, too....

What is the PRECISE definition of STOCK, and what is the PRECISE definition of modified?

Depends on wether you get it out of the garage or not and on the track. Just kidding randy

[racer50]

Your right Randy our truck was built to the rules we usually ran between 5-10th so is it a modified or stock. Or do we take the top ten in points and make them modifieds and 11-20 in points even though they go by the same rules and make them stocks. Then the 11th and 12th place trucks will win every week ,so later in the season we will move them into the modified class so the 13th and 14th place trucks can win every week and so forth. Also since we only have 10 in each class they will only be able to pay $80 to the winners and will drop the tow money down to $20. At little Eldora last week they ran the clone class had about 40 Karts. The clone class is a regular kart with a Grayhound engine that can be bought a Harbor Frieght for $129 (starter class) they tear down the top 3 at bigger races GUESS WHAT the winner had Illegal cam. Point being if you want to race in a entry level class run compacts( suppose to be stock engine right) If you want to run trucks build an engine to the rules and go race, if you aren't racing trucks because you can't afford an engine buy a compact. Biggest thing is, set the rules and enforce them but don't take a class that had 20 or so entrys and split it in half that doesn't make sense. sorry about the rant but this comes up every year.

[paintman60]

that would be my question, too....

What is the PRECISE definition of STOCK, and what is the PRECISE definition of modified?

i would hope the modified meant 4 bangers but racing parts allowed such as heads or sd4s ,boat motors anything that would crank the hp up a 100 or so then people would stay in the stands to watch instead of leave ,these things still have to handle but i feel it could be a intresting ingredient for good racing and i really want to say thank you to svt for asking our opinions

[double checkered]

I have to start off by saying I really like the truck class. Watching 6 trucks run side by side for 8/10 laps like they are at talledega is great. But in sprint car country, speed sells. So unless they have a v8, fans are going to leave when the trucks take the track. And v8's aren't the answer because by the end of the night at other tracks the stands thin out when "support divisions" are racing. I think all the larger motors do is make the racing more "tolerable " to those who just don't enjoy good racing with slower cars. Splitting the trucks wont put more fans in the stands. (WRP MAIN ISSUE). It may only keep a few longer that want to watch faster vehicles. But with two thinner classes of vehicles I don't feel the racing will be as great as it has been with the class as it has been. Jeremy

[Dr. Speedy]

I believe one truck class is enough, but bring back the stock cars when Eldora isn't running them, talk to Tony's people. And advertise everywhere. IN ADVANCE!!! I would be glad to pass out flyers in places around Miami County, etc. And have a schedule that isn't changing every other day and stick with it. At least you can make plans for the season.

Edited by Dr. Speedy, 09 November 2010 - 10:57 AM.

[goober25g]

I think that splitting the class would really stink. I also like the rules we have now. The last two years the class has got together and decided the class rules. Racers that built there trucks to those rules. I don't think another change in another class is the answer. I think the truck class is awesome. If you run in the class you will see that all it takes is to ask another driver for help and you will get several. That's what makes the class awesome in my mind. As for the massive amount of money that I have in my truck lol I think you would be shocked. As with a lot of racers the economy has hit me pretty hard, and it has hurt the racing fund big time. there is no way that I could afford to put a big dollar anything let alone motor in my truck. If your interested in getting into the truck class in my opinion you would be a fool not to. We have a true feeder class with truck drivers moving up every year. The mods your can do help you to understand racing and set up and engines and tires, all thing that help drivers make the jump to other classes. I'm not really interested in the v8 option either. so my vote is no v8, no split. wanna talk about changing the rules then have a meeting like we have the last two years.

[skip]

You know i was talking to Randy Hamp one night( ive known him for yrs) and i told him you know at yr age you are living a dream that a lot a people never get the chance to do. I told him even if you never win a race or able to run with the big dogs you are getting to do some thing that you never were able to enjoy in yr younger yrs. He said your right as long as i can do some thing that ive always wanted to do and never could afford it. That is the reason behind the truck and compac class. Its giving the little man a chance to live a dream and a affordable one. If you move up to any higher class,s you might as well stop crying and start buying if you want to win. Yes there are some who are top runners but they are proably always working on their cars. Maybe its not their motors but in their gearing? I know there are a lot a guys who do get motors with 100,00 miles on them, but to them as long as they can get on the track and full fill a dream and they are satisfield thats what it is all about. We dont need another class, i just hope Greg doesnt do like he did before and run 6 class,s, 4 is just right and you get home early makes for a late night show with 6.

[racer50]

Well said Skip that was a two hotdog thought