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[sprintcarfanatic69]

Okay, let's go into a 'new' way of thinking. As a lifelong sprintcar fan, I've noticed a few things. First, at Limaland, the competition is TOUGH!!!! All the cars seem to be VERY close in their set-ups and ability to get around the track. With that said, how about we change it up a little bit. The 'PILL" is the real contributing factor in the season champion. Generally, if you start up front in a heat race, you finish up front. If you start in the back, you go to the 'B'. I don't think anyone will argue with that. And if you want to, ask Sauder, Shroeder, Hannigan, Allison, etc. if they would want to race every week if they had to start at the tail all the time. This is a real possibility if the luck of the "Pill" demands they do. How about if we dump the current system and go with one that actually rewards good drivers rather than just the ones that get to start up front. Now I understand the those that have been starting up front all the time will have a problem with this. But what if they have to start 9th, and only make it up to 5th. 4 passing points could be the factor to be in the top 8, and have a real chance in the feature. Every driver wants to have a chance to be there at the checkered flag, and I think this would give every driver a REAL chance at that. Any comments?

[skinnykenny]

I don't think that I have ever been to a track that uses passing points. But I always wondered....doesn't that hurt a guy that starts on the pole and wins since he can't get any points for passing anyone? I'm sure there is a logical answer for my question so somebody please fill me in on how this works. THANX

[dirtmaniac]

Usually who ever wins the heat race is automatically in to answer your question skinny kenny.

[Dr. Speedy]

Lawrenceburg uses it. I don't like it, but that's me. Gets very confusing. I think they had to have a transmitter of kind to keep track of the passes, not sure, so don't quote me on it. Personally I think the qualifying laps should decide who starts where. You don't want a newbie on the pole of an A with very little experience in a sprint car.

[hiwayman]

passing point is not confusing at all you simply look where you started and then where you finished and get your 1.5 points per car passed plus points for where you finished.and the way they do it at lima now a newbe can be on the front row if he finishes in the top 3 or 4 in his heat, but lima wont adopt the system, its to much work for them and the people they have scoreing dont like the system because they are to stupid to understand it. the nra used it at eldora once and all the scorers and larry complained.it is the fair way to do it , that is why most orginsations use it.I think ascs needs to start a 360 group in this area and get rid of the nra , just my opinion.

[SchraderFan36]

If you gained points by passing cars, and those points were what determined starting position in the feature, couldn't two "not-so-fast" cars in the back just keep swapping back and forth all heat long and end up with lots of "passing points", and start near the front of the feature? I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack, so if I'm wrong, someone correct me.

[double checkered]

Its passing (advancing position) points, not how many times you change. Joe starts on pole and wins (20 points for win and 0 passing points) Tim starts 8th and finishes 2nd (say 15 points for second and 1.5 points pet car passed 6x1.5= 9 he has 24 points.) Bob and Tom can swap back forth for 5th and 6th but if neither actually advance, then they only get finishing points. I like it cause it rewards those who actually advance. You either start up front and win or in the back and pass a bunch. If they don't automatically lock in a certain amount of cars, (top 2 automatically transfer) a guy can finish 2nd and be bumped out by someone who passed a bunch of cars. Jeremy

[Austin]

I personally do not like the idea of passing points. In a lot of cases, someone who gets second gets more points than first. If you win your heat, you should deserve to start at the front! leave the passing for the features! Easiest solution is to qualify.

Edited by Austin, 17 August 2011 - 07:31 PM.

[skip]

Was it last yr or the yr before that lima had the hard charger award. Now i thought that was pretty cool it didnt enter into a points chase or championship , but was just a award at the end of the yr for who passed the most cars during the yr in each division.

[racer50]

Pill draw isn't the biggest problem at Limaland their inversion sucks. Win the first heat race and start 12th, been there done that. 12 spots inverting is way too much, you can get penalized for winning. Waynesfield only can draw an 8 which is reasonable but an 12. Oakshade takes top 3 from 3 heats or top 2 from 4 heats and each person redraws a number for the feature which isn't too bad. transoponders work great at Oakshade, they don't use them for Qualifing but you could, take your best lap from hot laps and thats where you start. You also don,t have marathon 6-7 lap restarts even at the begining of a feature , they look at a computer screen and tell you where you start. You also don't have things happen, like with Horstman and the stock car race. It was easy tie strap it to your rear end housing at the end of the night take it back or you don't get paid. It would cost the track a little to start with but a drop in the bucket compared with all the rest of the spending they do in racing.

[injunear]

Pill draw isn't the biggest problem at Limaland their inversion sucks. Win the first heat race and start 12th, been there done that. 12 spots inverting is way too much, you can get penalized for winning. Waynesfield only can draw an 8 which is reasonable but an 12. Oakshade takes top 3 from 3 heats or top 2 from 4 heats and each person redraws a number for the feature which isn't too bad. transoponders work great at Oakshade, they don't use them for Qualifing but you could, take your best lap from hot laps and thats where you start. You also don,t have marathon 6-7 lap restarts even at the begining of a feature , they look at a computer screen and tell you where you start. You also don't have things happen, like with Horstman and the stock car race. It was easy tie strap it to your rear end housing at the end of the night take it back or you don't get paid. It would cost the track a little to start with but a drop in the bucket compared with all the rest of the spending they do in racing.

I was thinking the same way. transponders are the next step to help keep everything straight, but the rules are another story.

[sprintcarfanatic69]

Wow, wasn't sure what the response would be when I threw out the 'passing points' idea, kinda thought a lot of whining and name calling would pop up. But, it's great to see so many good ideas come from it. One thing I do notice, a lot of people think Limaland and the NRA's way of doing things need to change. This is why I put this out there, to see what others thought. Yes, it can be a little confusing, especially for the fans in the stands. They'll get used to it. Some are not liking the idea. Maybe the ones that get to start up front all the time? I don't know. I know this, if they are leading the points, and pull the "Death Pill" 3 weeks in a row, (#75) and start at the tail of the 2nd or 3rd heat, what happens to their points lead? GONE!!! Now they maybe change their mind? Yes, it's not simple, it's confusing until you get the hang of it. Yes, inverting 12 is a punishment. I've seen Fremont do something that is good for the sport and gets the fans involved. Their top 8 go to the front stretch. 8 kids are picked out of the stands and pick a driver. Out comes the Crown Royal bag with 8 pills, the kids pick the pill for their driver and TA-DA, you have your first 8 starting positions. So if you're on the pole, you have a 1 in 8 chance of keeping it. And, if their driver wins, the kid gets to come out and have their picture taken with their winning driver. Now, some will say, Screw that, it takes too much time. Or, Screw the fans, I have too much to do to get ready. Here's a little tidbit, THE FANS PAY THE PURSE. AHHH,MONEY, now I'm speaking the right language. Yep, get the fans involved, more show up, purses go up, win-win. And, if you get stuck in the back of the heats a few times, you get a better chance of being in the money with the Passing Points system. Now listen up, they do this at a lot of tracks in Michigan, and it works well for all. THIS IS OHIO, are we gonna let Michigan out do us????? Hell No!!! This track is owned and ran by a University in OHIO!!! Are you gonna tell me that tracks in michigan are smarter????? Please. Thanks for all the input and replies. I just hope the right people are paying attention.

[Dr. Speedy]

But wouldn't you have the REALLY great drivers sand-bagging until the last couple laps of the heat or B just to gain points? Sorry I'm a firm believer in rewarding the spot to the person who wins. It makes better race drivers, and they earn respect from their peers on the track. Kind of curious as to what Matt Westfall, or Landon Simon, or Luke think about it.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

Never mind WHAA

Edited by blackflagmanwhaa, 18 August 2011 - 08:00 PM.

[witness_24]

Wow, wasn't sure what the response would be when I threw out the 'passing points' idea, kinda thought a lot of whining and name calling would pop up. But, it's great to see so many good ideas come from it. One thing I do notice, a lot of people think Limaland and the NRA's way of doing things need to change. This is why I put this out there, to see what others thought. Yes, it can be a little confusing, especially for the fans in the stands. They'll get used to it. Some are not liking the idea. Maybe the ones that get to start up front all the time? I don't know. I know this, if they are leading the points, and pull the "Death Pill" 3 weeks in a row, (#75) and start at the tail of the 2nd or 3rd heat, what happens to their points lead? GONE!!! Now they maybe change their mind? Yes, it's not simple, it's confusing until you get the hang of it. Yes, inverting 12 is a punishment. I've seen Fremont do something that is good for the sport and gets the fans involved. Their top 8 go to the front stretch. 8 kids are picked out of the stands and pick a driver. Out comes the Crown Royal bag with 8 pills, the kids pick the pill for their driver and TA-DA, you have your first 8 starting positions. So if you're on the pole, you have a 1 in 8 chance of keeping it. And, if their driver wins, the kid gets to come out and have their picture taken with their winning driver. Now, some will say, Screw that, it takes too much time. Or, Screw the fans, I have too much to do to get ready. Here's a little tidbit, THE FANS PAY THE PURSE. AHHH,MONEY, now I'm speaking the right language. Yep, get the fans involved, more show up, purses go up, win-win. And, if you get stuck in the back of the heats a few times, you get a better chance of being in the money with the Passing Points system. Now listen up, they do this at a lot of tracks in Michigan, and it works well for all. THIS IS OHIO, are we gonna let Michigan out do us????? Hell No!!! This track is owned and ran by a University in OHIO!!! Are you gonna tell me that tracks in michigan are smarter????? Please. Thanks for all the input and replies. I just hope the right people are paying attention.

Are you just trying to get people to start whining on this topic?

For me I am not a fan of the passing system at all I am a huge fan of qualifying. As for you saying that Michigan is smarter than Ohio for using a passing system that is your opinion and I would much rather have it like the old times, everything else in the world changes why not keep racing racing and not make it some technical bull****

[pedalmasher]

"This track is owned and ran by a University in OHIO!!! Are you gonna tell me that tracks in michigan are smarter????? Please. Thanks for all the input and replies. I just hope the right people are paying attention."


Hard to believe that a University does run this place with the intelligence and professionalism SOME of their staff has shown over the years, and this year is no exception!! And IF the so called-right people ARE paying attention, they're just laughing about it like they do every time a driver walks away after bringing a complaint or concern to one of them??? Besides Since when does Limaland listen to anyone anyway? They Simply Don't! "Their way, don't like it-don't come back" I have heard that said more than a few times. It's a shame, because they do have a good thing going on Friday nights, but it won't last forever with that type of behavior. JMO (just my observation) I'm watching and so are a lot of others, just look at your average car counts folks.

As far as the pill draw-it sucks as well as their invert, never been a fan of either! The teams pay their hundreds of $$$ to get into the track, then it's Vegas time. Then if you earn a win in your heat, you could still start as though you never earned anything??? Never made sense to me?
I say qualify and line the heats up by earning it, have your first and second place finishers in the heats redraw for the top 8 spots, they would all start toward the front half of the field, as they should-they earned it! But whatever, no one listens anyway..................

Edited by pedalmasher, 19 August 2011 - 10:20 AM.

[sprinter75]

in my opinion every system has there good and bad sides. if you qualify the same cars are going to start in the front 3 rows every week, how fair is that to the low budget teams ? if you go to passing points it's the same thing with the low budget teams plus still the luck of the draw. you can draw and have a stacked heat with no passing then the next heat have average cars passing and getting to start in front of the cars in the 1st heat that passed no one. there again the luck of the draw. every system has its good and bad sides.