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[born2raceit]

question...why is it that lima and eldora make such a big deal about the same set of stock rules? I mean besides the obvious fact that big e don't tech the cars, how many cars compete at both tracks on a regular basis. quick look at the points tells me not very cars do. my vote-spec carbs and hoosiers for 2012

[Dirtracer48]

question...why is it that lima and eldora make such a big deal about the same set of stock rules? I mean besides the obvious fact that big e don't tech the cars, how many cars compete at both tracks on a regular basis. quick look at the points tells me not very cars do.
my vote-spec carbs and hoosiers for 2012

Spec carb? I guess I wouldn't have any problem with that as long as it was a 4 barrel....a small two bbl will melt down the majority of the motors out there, it's already a bit of a problem with the big expensive two barrels that everyone is already running. Either way, it will cost racers money. If they go to a "tech gauge" carb, there's already a million and one cheater carbs made that pass the gauges. Again, more money to spend. I do really like the hoosiers though....

I'm hearing rumors of "big changes" for the division for 2012. I hope two things - they speak to the RACERS and owners before making any decisions (like completely changing the division costing guys 10-15 grand to "save money", and secondly that if they are going to make any major changes, it is announced promptly....not in December or January.

[born2raceit]

[quote name='Dirtracer48' date='Sep 28 2011, 11:31 PM' post='315603']
Spec carb? I guess I wouldn't have any problem with that as long as it was a 4 barrel....a small two bbl will melt down the majority of the motors out there, it's already a bit of a problem with the big expensive two barrels that everyone is already running. Either way, it will cost racers money. If they go to a "tech gauge" carb, there's already a million and one cheater carbs made that pass the gauges. Again, more money to spend. I do really like the hoosiers though....

I'm hearing rumors of "big changes" for the division for 2012. I hope two things - they speak to the RACERS and owners before making any decisions (like completely changing the division costing guys 10-15 grand to "save money", and secondly that if they are going to make any major changes, it is announced promptly....not in December or January.
Good point, 2 barrels would melt down some of the huge motors. Let those guys sell em or burn them up. If guys wanna put huge motors together go ahead but until some rules are in placeto deter expensive motors counts will suffer bc its out of hand

[Dirtracer48]

Good point, 2 barrels would melt down some of the huge motors. Let those guys sell em or burn them up. If guys wanna put huge motors together go ahead but until some rules are in placeto deter expensive motors counts will suffer bc its out of hand

Great plan, take the top guys who've done all their homework and make them spend money they don't have. Great way to up the car counts. I don't think it's as broken as you think it is. I have a car that was built in 04, the motor I used the last 75% of the season I bought for three grand, drop in and go. We were fast everywhere we went, top 3-5 most nights. Getting better as a driver, and working on the setup made us a car that could have won at the end of the season. I know for a fact a guy won this year who had 3 grand in his motor too. I'm actually quite interested in running lima next year, I prefer friday night racing, and the money is good. I'm also not opposed to changes, so long as it doesn't cost me money to "save money". Something stupid like crate motors (5 grand vs. 3k motors that are running up front....cheating is rampant in crates too), or something guaranteed to blow up our motors would be counterproductive.

[Douglas82]

I hope they keep things the same maybe change the tires other then that enjoy even if they scale things back you will still have cars faster then other cars people cant expect to work on there cars 2 nites a week and come out and beat the guys that do there homework and spend 50 hrs or more in the shop working on being fast the way i see it if u dnt like the stocks buy a compact or a truck or even a go kart but they all have fast cars in those classes as well just my 2 cents i knw its not worth much

[racer50]

It doesn't matter what you race people are going to complain about the rules and about poeple cheating. Don't buy a Waynesfield truck they have bitched the last 5 years about the fast guys and that they always win and we need to change the rules so the slow guys can keep up. You said a mouth full when you said the guys that do their homework and spend the hours in the garage will always be faster then the guys that don't no matter what the rules.

[born2raceit]

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It doesn't matter what you race people are going to complain about the rules and about poeple cheating. Don't buy a Waynesfield truck they have bitched the last 5 years about the fast guys and that they always win and we need to change the rules so the slow guys can keep up. You said a mouth full when you said the guys that do their homework and spend the hours in the garage will always be faster then the guys that don't no matter what the rules.

its a fact the guys who work om the cars more and set up the cats the best will have the upper hand. But my point is the huge motors in the class are out of hand. Money will still be spent in these rides thays part of the sport. every year ya gotta build something bigger cause everybody else. My point is they should try to bring the motor cost down and put the class back in the driver and set up. By doing that the vets still have the upper handbut at least its more feasible and affordable to compete

[racer50]

Rule #1 You will never make money racing Rule #2 You will spend lots racing Rule #3 Never spend more than you can afford Rule #4 Have fun racing what you can afford (it's a lot of fun beating the big buck teams even if you don't win the race) Rule #5 If your not having fun racing It's time to get out

[blackflagmanwhaa]

its a fact the guys who work om the cars more and set up the cats the best will have the upper hand. But my point is the huge motors in the class are out of hand. Money will still be spent in these rides thays part of the sport. every year ya gotta build something bigger cause everybody else. My point is they should try to bring the motor cost down and put the class back in the driver and set up. By doing that the vets still have the upper handbut at least its more feasible and affordable to compete

If you were to quit spining out you might be able to run with the big boys.

Dont mean that in a bad way, but you do a lot of it is the set up not right.

[born2raceit]

If you were to quit spining out you might be able to run with the big boys.

Dont mean that in a bad way, but you do a lot of it is the set up not right.

Just a young guy tryin to compete thats out there cause I love to race. if your as fast on the track as you are to run your mouth you prolly have tons of wins later.

[Dirtracer48]

Just a young guy tryin to compete thats out there cause I love to race.

I've found that most people that complain about the stuff being out of hand, aren't really doing all they can to make what they have go fast. I was always pretty terrible up until this year, we never had the equipment -or- truthfully made the effort to get the most out of what we had though either. Do I wish it were cheaper? Well of course....but I knew the deal coming into this when I got back into it, I'm not going to complain. I know for a fact a lot of guys got a lot faster from the beginning of this year until the end, but if someone didn't, they were't trying to get faster themselves. Lap time wise, we got about a second faster....and the only performance related things I can think of we bought all year were three shocks. We didn't win, but we were getting close. We'll get some next year.

What do you propose that would "even" the cars out?

Edited by Dirtracer48, 02 October 2011 - 05:57 AM.

[stocker]

Tim it don't matter what they change!!!! Fast guys are just fast LOL and its not always the BIG MOTORS I would say 80% of the motors out there this year was bigger then ours, but we were fast. Alot of hours working on the Chassis, Shocks, Scale time, Caster/camber . You get the point. Bad handling cars little motors (people there just to have fun) Big motors and ill handling cars are just wrecks waiting to happen, nice motor, good setup (fast ride) I started racing in 2000 as a crew cheif 2001 I built our first car for Brad we were not one of the fastest cars out there but every week we had fun racing with Dazzler, Scott Bowersock, Barney Craig, Rob Trent, Kevin Gossard, Tony Anderson and the list goes on. There was alot of fast cars back then and no complants just alot of hard work, any Friday night you could have 10 differnt drivers win the feature in the stocks. My point the guys up front now have learned from the school of hard knocks, done there homework and are pasing now with flying colors. Its just time people step up there programs work harder spend time with all differnt types of racecars and setups, it will make teams faster then trying to slow down the guys that have been there/done that. Them types of guys would be fast if you put them on lawn mowers and said lets race. One thing people forget is that they are racecars people not the bomers from the past them days are over and its time to change, get ahead or get left behind. As a racer I will help almost any team or person that askes. Tim Conover

Edited by stocker, 04 October 2011 - 10:00 AM.

[Dirtracer48]

Tim it don't matter what they change!!!! Fast guys are just fast LOL and its not always the BIG MOTORS I would say 80% of the motors out there this year was bigger then ours, but we were fast. Alot of hours working on the Chassis, Shocks, Scale time, Caster/camber . You get the point. Bad handling cars little motors (people there just to have fun) Big motors and ill handling cars are just wrecks waiting to happen, nice motor, good setup (fast ride)
I started racing in 2000 as a crew cheif 2001 I built our first car for Brad we were not one of the fastest cars out there but every week we had fun racing with Dazzler, Scott Bowersock, Barney Craig, Rob Trent, Kevin Gossard, Tony Anderson and the list goes on.
There was alot of fast cars back then and no complants just alot of hard work, any Friday night you could have 10 differnt drivers win the feature in the stocks.
My point the guys up front now have learned from the school of hard knocks, done there homework and are pasing now with flying colors. Its just time people step up there programs work harder spend time with all differnt types of racecars and setups, it will make teams faster then trying to slow down the guys that have been there/done that. Them types of guys would be fast if you put them on lawn mowers and said lets race.
One thing people forget is that they are racecars people not the bomers from the past them days are over and its time to catch, get ahead or get left behind. As a racer I will help almost any team or person that askes. Tim Conover

Agreed - I'm one of the guys you've helped this year, and it's very much appreciated. I think if guys would ask others for a little help, they will get it. Several people have helped us out this year, and we've done what we could to help out others we've become friends with. I too used to think "man if I had a xxx cubic inch motor I'd be winning". That's simply not the case. Both of my motors are 406's, and honestly nothing special. Like I said before, I paid $3k for the one I ran the last 75% of the year, and the other one I got with the car that was bought for $6500 race ready with spare transmission, suspension parts, etc. We got -no- setup information with the car since the previous crew chief on the car is unfortunately no longer with us. We got help from a lot of great people, and got the car going pretty dang good I think. We never let a week go by where we were complacent and not trying something to get faster. Again....I ask where exactly this division is broken, or too expensive? Did we win...no. Could we have? Absolutely. There were nights we were the fastest car on the track, but a driver mistake or not clearing the inversion cars quick enough dictated we finished elsewhere. We will get one, I wont quit until we do. I could whine about others having this, that, or blah blah...but instead I'd rather concentrate on how I can make MYSELF faster. A tenth place car trying to get rules to slow everyone else down isn't the path to winning.

[DAZZLER]

That is what it is all about helping each other out, most of the advantage you get on anybody is the prep of the car in the garage during the week, we could go out and win the feature on a friday come sunday car is on jackstands and we would go over it everyday to make sure everything was ok and we also had full time jobs, Stocker i still tell people on that quick tire change we made on the car at Eldora Jimmy had that flat on the first lap he pulls in off 3 you come off the top of your trailer with the impact in hand Little Kevin comes with you with the screwdriver for the mud plug i had the jack while i was jacking up the car Kevin had mud plug off and you had the tire almost off then you pulled tire off new one on mud plug back on and he goes down pit road before they even came all the way back around under caution, that was awesome, i sure do miss some of those days.

[stocker]

Dazzler I had forgot all about that untill now, your right its about helping others. Just like the last night at Lima this year my hole crew and many other crew members from other crews helping Keith with his front end after his wreck.

[Dirtracer48]

Actually, the last night born2 was at waynesfield, he got tore up in the heat race. Myself, my crew, and the 19 team went down and asked if they needed any parts or help to get it back on the track since you were starting on the pole. I think all of us who were there in my area recall the reciprocation of good gestures after the feature. I did notice you had stock uppers when we went down there....that isn't helping matters either since they don't tend to move freely without a lot of work. What clip are you on? I may have a set for metric if that is what you need.

[born2raceit]

Actually, the last night born2 was at waynesfield, he got tore up in the heat race. Myself, my crew, and the 19 team went down and asked if they needed any parts or help to get it back on the track since you were starting on the pole. I think all of us who were there in my area recall the reciprocation of good gestures after the feature. I did notice you had stock uppers when we went down there....that isn't helping matters either since they don't tend to move freely without a lot of work. What clip are you on? I may have a set for metric if that is what you need.

when a guy drives right though me for no reason yeah I was pissed. Its done and I am over it. I do have stock uppers on but am switchin to tubulars. And me and my guys work our butts off on the car but just havent had the results to show for it. Car is already tore apart and will work on it bout all winter. april cant some enough.

[born2raceit]

when a guy drives right though me for no reason yeah I was pissed. Its done and I am over it. I do have stock uppers on but am switchin to tubulars. And me and my guys work our butts off on the car but just havent had the results to show for it. Car is already tore apart and will work on it bout all winter. april cant some enough.

Oh and tim thanks for the offer but already have some good luck to ya next year and your right racin is cool cause of the way guys help each other out. See ya at the track

[Dirtracer48]

when a guy drives right though me for no reason yeah I was pissed. Its done and I am over it. I do have stock uppers on but am switchin to tubulars. And me and my guys work our butts off on the car but just havent had the results to show for it. Car is already tore apart and will work on it bout all winter. april cant some enough.

One thing I learned this year is, sometimes shit happens when a guy doesn't mean to do it. One instance myself and the other party were both dead convinced they other guy just took us out. I've since come to realize he didn't know I was there, and I didn't know he was coming down and I couldn't get it whoaed up....that's racing. The other instance I flat drove into someones door taking us both out. As bad as it looked, I sincerely didn't mean to do it and take full blame. I also understand crew guys get upset too...I've had to calm mine down more than once, and had to turn him around on his way to deliver broken parts to people. Like I said, I understand the crews stake in all this as well, but drivers need to keep their guys in check, and their fingers off other peoples cars. I'm just glad it all ended as well as it did, it was close to getting pretty ugly.

Never got to meet you officially, and sorry it comes up this way. Good luck in 2011, and if there's anything you need...let me know.

[stocker]

Yes that night he got tore up in his heat race pretty good, But that would not have been the last night cause Jordan started that night in the car right behind born2raceit in the 3 hole. the season has not been over long and its time to get started for next year, need to fix Kevins car and get Jordans underway cause next season is right around the bend again!!!!! It will be funny again with Dave, Jim,Jan,Jordan and Kevin in cars again. Just sound like alot of work for me in the long run.