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[Trust Me I Know More]

So rules are on a restart that you can't pass before the flagstand. I agree this is the rule. Now when a car in 2nd position breaks on the restart pulls up out of the racing line, is barely moving, and waves his hand out the window, it only makes sense for the 3rd place car and ALL the other cars in line to drive around him on the inside. The driver of the broken car did the right thing to avoid causing a big pileup. ALL the cars driving around him on the inside also did the right thing to avoid a pile up. Only the 3rd place driver gets penalized 2 spots for passing before the flagstand. According to ONE official the driver in 3rd place should slam on the brakes and stay behind the second place car and cause a big pile up. That's a GOOD IDEA! If your an idiot. How is it that only 1 car passed the broken car, yet every other car was right behind him in turn 1?????? Why isn't there no yellow flag thrown for this broken car, but when an orange cone gets hit and is still in the air they throw one in the middle of an awesome race even though it landed in the infield? How do you complain about car counts in the drivers meeting and then tell someone that the 3rd place car should slam on his breaks and cause a pileup so they can tear up 5 cars for no reason and take the chance of them not being back next week? Hows come the ONE official who makes this JUDGEMENT CALL refuses to talk to someone about it? Hows come that ONE official refuses to look at a video unless it is recorded from a camera in the infield straight on the start finish line. I guess someone that sits up in a litttle wooden box with a head set on should make all these decisions without using any common sense. Common sense would tell me if a car slams on the brakes the same time everyone behind him is getting on the gas there will be a lot of tore up race cars. It's just to bad that someone thinks since he sits in a little wooden box with a head set he doesn't make any mistakes. If I was working at a track I would like for problems to be taken care of at the track not on a racing forum. I would not be posting this if ONE official wouldn't have refused to talk to me. I'm sure I'm going to run out and tell people to support a track that does something like this.

[double checkered]

You can direct your frustration at me. I was the one making the "judgement" call. But it wasnt a "judgement" at all. It is a rule. Do I think a certain driver got the short end of the stick? Of course I do. But I can't make JUDGEMENT calls. I have to remain unbiased and try to be fair. The rule clearly states do not pass before the cone. For any reason. No caution was thrown because "broke" car cleared racing surface and racing continued. In the Sprint feature I didn't throw a caution for the cone on the track because it was standing upright and on the edge of the racing groove. The second time it got hit and went flying in the air. It landed on the front stretch and was laying down. I am sorry if you feel you can't approach me, or any other official. I try to hang around by the payout window for a few minutes after the races to have these conversations. I feel wrp tries to listen to the racers. If you don't like how a rule is written, let's talk about it at the drivers meeting and clear it up. Jeremy

Edited by double checkered, 20 May 2012 - 07:19 AM.

[mod13]

It was stated at the drivers meeting, If you know your not going to fire pull out of the racing grove so you dont cause a pileup. Thats what happened and the driver was still penilized. If every car after the broke down car wouldn't have passed him, after a 30 minute cleanup to unstack all the cars behind, any car still running would have been put back in the order they were running. So why not avoid the problem and throw the caustion back out, get lined back up and go racing. No torn up race cars, no penalty, no question about who did what. I think WRP normally doesn't a very good job with the calls that they make, but I agree that this was not handled correctly. And it seemed like they finally got a light or two in turns 1-2. Thank you

[double checkered]

It was stated to pull to the infield. Again, I can only enforce the rules as they are. If driver wasn't docked for jumping, I am sure there would be others that would have issues for why he wasn't. There were 3 other drivers penalized for jumping lastnight. WRP has made adjustments to rules after circumstances just like this. I'm sure we can look into this rule too and find a resolution to satisfy everyone. Jeremy

Edited by double checkered, 20 May 2012 - 09:19 AM.

[Trust Me I Know More]

He wasn't the only car that passed before the start/finish line yet he was the only car penalized. I'm pretty sure that every other driver was fine with him not slamming on the brakes right in front of them when they were getting on the gas. I didn't have a problem approaching anyone. I have a problem with being told according to the rules he is supposed to tear up 5 race cars instead of using common sense.

[double checkered]

Thank you for your inquiry. Rule was broken. Person was penalized accordingly. Said driver was only car passing before cone. If a car gets in a wreck and loses all its body panels, but manages to win the race. Then is light at scales, he is still dqed. I don't write the rules. And can no way change the result of the heatrace. You've expressed your issue. I've replied as honestly as I can with my reasoning. There was no judgment. It's black and white, right or wrong. At no point was any driver told to tear up any cars. On a personal note, I honestly don't like the cone idea. I don't understand the reasoning for it. It causes problems! I'd prefer Delaware double file, leader alone out front. Green flag go racing........... But that's my opinion. Jeremy

[mod4j]

If car #2 pulled out of line (declaring himself inactive) why would you be penalized for passing an inactive car?

[double checkered]

Rule does not read if car fails to fire, catches on fire, gets hit by a fire truck that passing before the cone will be waived off. I asked the drivers to pull to infield if they could not fire. 2nd place car went above cone, so he was still on racing surface.

[Trust Me I Know More]

All I'm trying to say is that if the driver stayed behind the car in front of him to avoid the penalty everyone behind him would have piled up. The 2nd place driver give his position up once he pulled out of the racing line and had is hand out the window waving. The rule states single file restart nose to tail. This means the 2nd place car was not in the right position and it says nothing about where a driver should go if his car breaks. Again every driver in that heat did exactly what they should have done to avoid a pileup. Hopefully everything can be straightened out so a situation like this does not occur again.

[eldora97]

here is the thing... you ask them to pull to the inside... have you ever been in a race car? when you come around to get the green and you hit the gas wich way do you think the car wants to turn....left so if the slow guy pulls down to the infield what would happen? you crash the field.... everyone seenm the car fire and break when he did he did the right thing pull up out of the grove and let everyone pass.... and yes atleast three cars went pass him befor the flag i dont know how you could miss that one... but anyways you need to talk to DRIVERS and figure out what would be best for them not the flag man that is to busy putting on a show for the fans in the stands

[Dirtracer48]

I vote no cone, single file, nose to tail until the leader fires then it is a free-for-all.

[double checkered]

That's an idea. But I think with the field spread out so much, the guys on the tail will be passing waaaay before the green. Without a dedicated person to watch for infractions, it may be difficult to monitor. Open to suggestions though.

[WootenRacing17]

I have always enjoyed the Delaware Restart. With the leader getting to choose top or bottom and the rest of the field is double file,when we raced down in Florida at Eastbay Raceway Park they used this and it was good if you are the leader.

[studebaker 55]

First incident with cone in a couple of years everyone wants to make changes. you better stick with the cone or the jumping in the back will be so bad you won't ever have a fair start for the whole field.Just my thoughts I can already see two wide racing going into three every time a front runner get sent to tail. Your only asking for wrecks and spins. Its worked well for a long time leave well enough alone.The call is the issue it was made lets move on.

[double checkered]

I think it needs addressed. I have a few ideas, but ultimately I'd like the drivers to be comfortable and don't want to put anyone at risk for avoiding a slow moving car, or penalize them if the incident comes about again. I will bring it up for discussion at the drivers meeting tomorrow. If you'd like to have input, I hope you're in attendance. Have a wonderful holiday weekend. Be safe. Jeremy

[kartracer229]

Double file restarts?