Last Friday at Lernerville, they claimed that Murdick turned quicker laps than the track record, but was not the track record holder. How is this possible? I thought the track record was the fastest time set at any given point. A track record is a track record being the fastest possible time that the specific class of car can set when the conditions are right. Can someone explain?
How is the track record determined?
Started by scotty, Jul 13 2012 07:42 AM
11 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:42 AM
#2
Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:19 AM
Lernerville only counts time trial laps for track records for some reason.
#3
Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:45 AM
That sucks. With the transponders in use it would make more sense to count it at any given time. The fastest laps are usually turned under racing conditions.Lernerville only counts time trial laps for track records for some reason.
Matt D
#4
Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:36 AM
That sucks. With the transponders in use it would make more sense to count it at any given time. The fastest laps are usually turned under racing conditions.
the fastest lap of the races should probably get the win too regardless of where the car finishes.
Edited by lastlap, 13 July 2012 - 09:36 AM.
#5
Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:03 AM
That sucks. With the transponders in use it would make more sense to count it at any given time. The fastest laps are usually turned under racing conditions.
I agree; they should base it off the transponders. After looking at the twitter posts by Lernerville/Dave Murdick (http://twitter.com/L...424118220849152) and the Lernerville Press Article -- Once in the lead, Murdick was relatively unchallenged while turning laps quicker than the track record of 16.283 seconds by Billy Decker in 2004) --- I decided to look at all the MyLaps. However, they said Billy Decker's time was set in 2004, but the MyLaps show it was set in 2005. Even at that, Matt Sheppard appears to have the track record back in 2009 if the track claims to only go by "time trials" and the next closest local was Bolland last year. Who's idea was it to only go by "time trials"? It doesn't make any sense!!
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Billy Decker
Date: 06.14.2005
Lap Time: 16.283 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co...n.jsp?id=170890
Matt Sheppard
Date: 09.11.2009
Lap Time: 15.858 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co....jsp?id=1304292
Kevin Bolland
Date: 07.29.2011
Lap Time: 15.862 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co....jsp?id=1998546
Dave Murdick
Date: 07.06.2012
Lap Time: 16.130 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co....jsp?id=2355773
#6
Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:34 AM
Track records have always been for official timed qualifying runs not lap times during a race when you have 10 or 25 chances to run a good lap. Thats the way it has always been and i seen no legitimate reason to change it. Unless its qualifying your lap times dont mean a dam thing !!! Where you finished determines what you get paid , track record during a heat race is a relevent as 14" inches that doesnt work !!I agree; they should base it off the transponders. After looking at the twitter posts by Lernerville/Dave Murdick (http://twitter.com/L...424118220849152) and the Lernerville Press Article -- Once in the lead, Murdick was relatively unchallenged while turning laps quicker than the track record of 16.283 seconds by Billy Decker in 2004) --- I decided to look at all the MyLaps. However, they said Billy Decker's time was set in 2004, but the MyLaps show it was set in 2005. Even at that, Matt Sheppard appears to have the track record back in 2009 if the track claims to only go by "time trials" and the next closest local was Bolland last year. Who's idea was it to only go by "time trials"? It doesn't make any sense!!
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Billy Decker
Date: 06.14.2005
Lap Time: 16.283 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co...n.jsp?id=170890
Matt Sheppard
Date: 09.11.2009
Lap Time: 15.858 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co....jsp?id=1304292
Kevin Bolland
Date: 07.29.2011
Lap Time: 15.862 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co....jsp?id=1998546
Dave Murdick
Date: 07.06.2012
Lap Time: 16.130 seconds
MyLaps: http://www.mylaps.co....jsp?id=2355773
#7
Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:04 AM
Track records have always been for official timed qualifying runs not lap times during a race when you have 10 or 25 chances to run a good lap. Thats the way it has always been and i seen no legitimate reason to change it. Unless its qualifying your lap times dont mean a dam thing !!! Where you finished determines what you get paid , track record during a heat race is a relevent as 14" inches that doesnt work !!
Then why did they not give Matt Sheppard the track record - his was in a qualifying event, was it not? http://www.mylaps.co...t.jsp?id=471795 look at Qualifying-Line Up Group 1. Sheppard's time was 15.858 and I think that is faster than Decker's time of 16.283, right?
#8
Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:13 AM
every one of ppms track records were recorded in race with the exception of the sprint record which was a qualifying lap that has stood since 1990!
how often do they run time trials for the stocks at lernerville?
i agree with huck it should be a qualify lap,
Edited by whiteboy55, 13 July 2012 - 11:14 AM.
Stacie White
#9
Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:03 PM
Time trials were traditionally used to determine track records because the timing equipment was only setup for TT, and it was impossible to time every car in a race. With modern transponder technology, that is a silly tradition. The fastest lap ever turned on the track should be the record. The transponders are more accurate than any previous timing equipment was.
#10
Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:44 PM
With comments like this its amazing you still get picked last in gym class.the fastest lap of the races should probably get the win too regardless of where the car finishes.
Matt D
#11
Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:10 PM
With comments like this its amazing you still get picked last in gym class.
i wrote that to show how stupid this conversation is.
track records can and should only be broken by time trials. that is why they are called time trials. the car is being scored on time not by their position on the track.
heat races and features are not scored by time but by position which is why it shouldn't count towards the track record. it is not a timed event like time trails and should never be scored or recorded that way.
transponder technology not only records times but a cars position compared to other cars on the track. i wonder why they made it that way?
Edited by lastlap, 13 July 2012 - 02:26 PM.
#12
Posted 13 July 2012 - 05:07 PM
What I cant believe is-I agree with TheLedgend!!! First time ever......
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