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[nascarracer28]

I HOPE IF STAN OR ONE OF THE OFFICALS SEE THIS THAT HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES AND SCHEDULE FOR 2013 THEY WOULD GET THEM OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, INSTEAD OF HAVING A HE SAID THEY SAID RULES AND SCHEDULING PACKAGE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG. RACERS NEED TO KNOW TO MAKE PLANS AND CHANGES FOR THE UPCOMING SEASON. YOU GUYS AT THE TRACK ALWAYS SAY YOU WANT A GOOD PROFESSIONAL LOOKING SHOW IT STARTS FROM THE TOP AND TRICKLES DOWN! WE ALL APPRECIATE HAVING A PLACE TO RACE AND KNOW IT IS NOT EASY BY ANY MEANS, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND OTHER RACERS I KNOW WE THANK STAN AND HIS CREW FOR THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING FOR US RACERS AND FANS. LETS ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF RACING, THATS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.

[jmmr]

How bout a weight percentage rule and taking a good look at each charger car. You know to see if it actually fits the rules that have been in place forever. Things like rear suspension and stock floor pans and exhaust manifolds. How bout a shock rule for the s.s..how bout something in place like after so many wins tech will check heads or crank or whatever. It would be nice if tech had the power to actually enforce rules and check cars. Instead of waiting for Stan to make a decision. Drivers shouldn't be thinking that guys cheating... Tech should be doing there job so all drivers know it's a pretty fair playing field and that guy winning just had a better car that night or that guy drove his butt off. Wouldn't that be nice.

[nascarracer28]

I DID SEE THEY HAVE MADE CHANGES TO WEEKLY PURSE BY UPPING THE PAYOUT BY THE CAR COUNTS, HAS THE RULES FOR SUB COMPACTS BUT NO OTHERS YET. SCHEDULE STILL ONLY PART WAY DONE.

[smokin66]

I DID SEE THEY HAVE MADE CHANGES TO WEEKLY PURSE BY UPPING THE PAYOUT BY THE CAR COUNTS, HAS THE RULES FOR SUB COMPACTS BUT NO OTHERS YET. SCHEDULE STILL ONLY PART WAY DONE.

I think stan should pay 5 grand to win for each class. Since he doesnt send out the checks or they bounce when he does this will draw more cars and not cost him any more money.

[jmmr]

I certainly am not the brightest guy out there but man that payout listed on the drome site doesnt read very clearly at all. The higher payouts mean little because he's not gonna get those counts in most of the classes. Make some changes up front to save us money-tech the cars-set and enforce rules-then you'll get the car counts. As for not paying for the piney-no sweat to me as we stopped running it after the first year. Nothing good comes from that race for us.

[jmmr]

Also heard major changes regarding motors in attempt to address crate motor issue. It's no secret everything w motors has gotten way out of control. If tech did their job for the last three years it would've never happened. It's stans fault- noone else's. He could've put in the 411 gear rule we used to run and that probably would've addressed it adequately. Watch for the changes to cost us all more money. Before last season we built a new car based on the rules he had in place. Then after the season began he changed the rules; Now with the supposed changes we will have to make more changes. A simple weight% rule already fixed the issue which he decreed last year. We aren't changing anything. He will lose our 5 cars. Not that he cares. Last year at the end of the season he chassis dynod a crate- made 350 at the wheel. Said it was legal- with the correction factor that put it at 402.5-not sure wat math he used? F.u.b.a.r as usual.

[nascarracer28]

YOU ARE CORRECT IN LETTING THE TECH GO, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLOSER WATCH ON ENGINES AS WELL AS WEIGHT, WHEELBASE, I HAVE SEEN TIRES STICKING OUT SO FAR ITS REDICULOUS. I RUN A CRATE WHICH IS STRICTLY LEGAL OUT OF THE BOX ALL I HAVE IS A SPACER ON IT AND THEY BLOW BY ME ON THE STRAIGHT AWAYS BY 2 OR 3 CAR LENGHTS. SEALED SHOULD MEAN SEALED NOT OPENED AND STUFFED WITH ALL KINDS OF GOODIES. BETTER RACING WITH CLOSER FINISHES THROUGH THE WHOLE FIELD OF CARS WOULD HELP CAR COUNTS IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE WINNING MOST OF THE TIME. IT IS SOMETIMES HARD TO PACK UP AND GO TO THE TRACK AFTER WORKING ON YOUR CAR ALL WEEK KNOWING WHERE MOST ARE GOING TO FINISH, BUT WE DO BECAUSE WE LOVE RACING. WE DEFINATELY DO NOT NEED ANYTHING TO COST US ANYMORE TO GO RACING, IT IS A STRUGGLE TO GET THERE NOW, COSTING THE RACERS MORE MONEY TO GET THE CARS EQUAL IS NOT GOING TO HELP AT ALL , IT IS IN THE TECH AT THE TRACK MAKE IT FAIR FOR ALL.

Edited by nascarracer28, 20 November 2012 - 09:19 AM.

[jmmr]

You have a catch 22- because Stan let guys cheat so long there are few stock crates left there. Now he wants Guys to buy a new crate or spend over 500 to have them sealed. Drop the gear and make a lower gear mandatory. Take the motor right out of the equation.

[nascarracer28]

You have a catch 22- because Stan let guys cheat so long there are few stock crates left there. Now he wants Guys to buy a new crate or spend over 500 to have them sealed. Drop the gear and make a lower gear mandatory. Take the motor right out of the equation.

THATS WHAT MOST OF US WANT, TO LET IT BE SET-UP AND DRIVER, NOT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU CAN DUMP INTO IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MAY TIMES GUYS HAVE COME DOWN TO SAY WHAT FUN THAT WAS WHEN YOU RUN SIDE BY SIDE FOR LAPS AT A TIME, THEY DON'T COME DOWN TO SAY THANKS FOR RUNNING OFF FROM THE REST OF US!

[nascarracer28]

SEEN ON MOTRODROME SITE ALL RULES UPDATED EXCEPT FOR LATE MODELS, DID NOTICE THAT THEY WANT STREET STOCK CRATE MOTORS TO BE: All crate engines approved for competition must be purchased from or existing crate engines must be verified and resealed by Race-1 engines and must remain in the as shipped condition. Former crate engines not being verified will be required to run as an open motor with the 2 barrel carb. THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE WEBSITE, GUESS THEY ARE WANTING US TO PUT OUT MORE MONEY FOR THE DOG AND PONY SHOW SO THEY DONT HAVE TO DO TECH. I HOPE THEY DO NOT THINK THIS WILL STOP THE MORE MONEY MORE POWER SITUATION. I JUST DO NOT THINK THIS IS THE ANSWER TO THE ISSUES WITH MOTORS MAYBE I AM WRONG GUESS WE WILL FIND OUT.

[smokin66]

we all know the deal with the crate motors. The 83 has a great car but also a huge crate motor. Unfortunatly that team are also Stans golden children. The 31 has a good car as well with an open motor but should have a tissue dispenser mounted within drivers reach at all times. As long as Stan plays favorites and people cry about every bend in a home made body and every ounce of h.p that they think others must have because they got flat out out driven there will be rules being made to cater. You guys have to remember the night the owner of a car made a ligitimate protest in cash and writing as per nascar rules against a specific engine part of another car and 15 minutes later the official came back with the $1000 and said "stan said we're not going to play these games"..... Favorites. lol

[deadpush]

we all know the deal with the crate motors. The 83 has a great car but also a huge crate motor. Unfortunatly that team are also Stans golden children. The 31 has a good car as well with an open motor but should have a tissue dispenser mounted within drivers reach at all times. As long as Stan plays favorites and people cry about every bend in a home made body and every ounce of h.p that they think others must have because they got flat out out driven there will be rules being made to cater. You guys have to remember the night the owner of a car made a ligitimate protest in cash and writing as per nascar rules against a specific engine part of another car and 15 minutes later the official came back with the $1000 and said "stan said we're not going to play these games"..... Favorites. lol

What does the 31 have to do with this discussion? The 31 is a Motordrome rules-legal street stock, running on a limited budget. In some discussions the 31 has even been called out-dated. The 31 manages to be as competetive as it is with a good handling chassis and a heads-up driver. Remember, cornerspeed is your friend and inertia is your enemy. The afformentioned combo will beat a stop and go crate motored operation most of the time.

[smokin66]

Thank you for responding Sir and yes a legal crate couldnt hang with an open motor. If youll be as kind as to reread my statement youll see that I said the 31 was a good car and had an open motor. Since you however brought up the legality of that car I will tell you that that is the car whos crankshaft was protested as per nascar rules and stan disallowed it. But watching the driver pat the beads of sweat from his brow after he was told he was under protest was worth the price of admission. Not to mention that part disassembled itself a short time later. You can only get em so light right?

[deadpush]

Thank you for responding Sir and yes a legal crate couldnt hang with an open motor. If youll be as kind as to reread my statement youll see that I said the 31 was a good car and had an open motor. Since you however brought up the legality of that car I will tell you that that is the car whos crankshaft was protested as per nascar rules and stan disallowed it. But watching the driver pat the beads of sweat from his brow after he was told he was under protest was worth the price of admission. Not to mention that part disassembled itself a short time later. You can only get em so light right?

Thank you for your interesting reply. If you will reread my post, I specified RULES-LEGAL street stock. I have been told that the failed part was prviously repaired and several seasons old. (remember the limited budget part), Stan probably did whoever a favor and saved said protestor some money.

[jmmr]

Thank you for your interesting reply. If you will reread my post, I specified RULES-LEGAL street stock. I have been told that the failed part was prviously repaired and several seasons old. (remember the limited budget part), Stan probably did whoever a favor and saved said protestor some money.

There is no way the 31 motor is legal-I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Anytime he wants to pull it out I'll prove it and make the bet. Regardless he was one if the guys Stan caters to-we all know that as evidenced by his whining at the beginning of the year and the rule changes after the season began. He's also the king of pounding the car in front of him or pushing you in the wall then apologizing afterward. Not so much last year but def the two years prior. His car is well set up though As far as the rule changes I think it's a step in the right direction overall- but with many catches. Why are u worried bout motor location IF you have a front weight % rule-that makes absolutely no sense. Also there is no way a stock crate will be as fast as some of the open motors out there- it will never happen. I'm buying a legal bone stock crate shortly and I will prove it. If Stan doesn't tech the open motors already there then it will be more of the same just all open motors. The sad part is many of us believe a gear rule would've been more than sufficient and a ton cheaper for all. I wanna see wat tech does w the rules-hopefully history won't predict this future. If Stan would've done his job last year the year before...it wouldn't have such a big impact like now. as far as cheating maybe some of the boys in each division should just start throwing the cheaters in the wall. That's wat I'm hopin for and some r suggesting.

[deadpush]

There is no way the 31 motor is legal-I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Anytime he wants to pull it out I'll prove it and make the bet. Regardless he was one if the guys Stan caters to-we all know that as evidenced by his whining at the beginning of the year and the rule changes after the season began. He's also the king of pounding the car in front of him or pushing you in the wall then apologizing afterward. Not so much last year but def the two years prior. His car is well set up though As far as the rule changes I think it's a step in the right direction overall- but with many catches. Why are u worried bout motor location IF you have a front weight % rule-that makes absolutely no sense. Also there is no way a stock crate will be as fast as some of the open motors out there- it will never happen. I'm buying a legal bone stock crate shortly and I will prove it. If Stan doesn't tech the open motors already there then it will be more of the same just all open motors. The sad part is many of us believe a gear rule would've been more than sufficient and a ton cheaper for all. I wanna see wat tech does w the rules-hopefully history won't predict this future. If Stan would've done his job last year the year before...it wouldn't have such a big impact like now. as far as cheating maybe some of the boys in each division should just start throwing the cheaters in the wall. That's wat I'm hopin for and some r suggesting.

If you want to prove the viability of a stock crate motor, you should lend it to the the 31. While you are at it, maybe the 31 could help you get your car to handle as good as the 31. I am not saying that your car dosen't handle well, it just doesn't handle as welll as the 31 throughout the whole race. It doesn't matter what engine you have in your car, the car has to be able to turn through the center of the corner, while you are getting back into the throttle.
I agree that a lot of these issues could be handled with a 4.10 gear rule. A gear rule and a 350 cfm Holley carb with a 2101 intake, and put what all steel smallblock under the hood that you want. You can handle good down that the chute, but you still got to get it slowed down and turn the corner. All the engine in the world won't get you through the corner.

Edited by deadpush, 27 November 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[jmmr]

Dude there is no doubt that car handles much better than either of ours. Watch the video on tube he put up for dick rugh-where he gets on and off the gas, then tell me. We ran 4th or fifth in both of our s.s.. On the average- for the past 5 years so we are not that far off but far enough. Last yeAr we pulled off the track alot after running 5th becAuse we didnt care- we knew the outcome of the race before it began. Stan played to his 2 favorites-everyone knew that. Thats why he wouldnt make a ruling on shocks and pushed the issue of motor placement/rule change for front weight and illegal bodies. Because his two favorite started crying. We also had no adjustable or rebuildable shocks. There's a point where it is motor (83) and a point where it is handling-that gains spots. We been in the game long enough to know the difference. We r happy to be beat on handling-and for the record-one of our cars got beat largely on handling alone- not motor by the top 4 guys. If Stan did his job- tore motors apart...we would be ecstatic and that would be that. As far as lending a motor- I don't think so. I would make the bet on the teardown though - gladly. Here's the thing that irritates me the most- if u r CHEATING-and u mean bigtime-shut your mouth. Don't got on sites and defend yourself or say it's handling .......shut your mouth. if u r legal and just that good-welcome the teardown.

[deadpush]

Dude there is no doubt that car handles much better than either of ours. Watch the video on tube he put up for dick rugh-where he gets on and off the gas, then tell me. We ran 4th or fifth in both of our s.s.. On the average- for the past 5 years so we are not that far off but far enough. Last yeAr we pulled off the track alot after running 5th becAuse we didnt care- we knew the outcome of the race before it began. Stan played to his 2 favorites-everyone knew that. Thats why he wouldnt make a ruling on shocks and pushed the issue of motor placement/rule change for front weight and illegal bodies. Because his two favorite started crying. We also had no adjustable or rebuildable shocks. There's a point where it is motor (83) and a point where it is handling-that gains spots. We been in the game long enough to know the difference. We r happy to be beat on handling-and for the record-one of our cars got beat largely on handling alone- not motor by the top 4 guys. If Stan did his job- tore motors apart...we would be ecstatic and that would be that. As far as lending a motor- I don't think so. I would make the bet on the teardown though - gladly. Here's the thing that irritates me the most- if u r CHEATING-and u mean bigtime-shut your mouth. Don't got on sites and defend yourself or say it's handling .......shut your mouth. if u r legal and just that good-welcome the teardown.

First off, I don't wear a big hat, so I'm not a dude. I don't understand your hostility. The weight and engine placement rules were in the rules forever. They mysteriously disappeared last year (2011) , sometime during the season. This started out as a discussion about how you fix the Motordrome SS rules. Please be a little or more civil in your tone if you would like to continue this discussion.

[bigdawgz28]

I think the yo mama insults are about to start. Yo mama so dumb she thought a quarterback was a refund. Ha ha

[jmmr]

First off if u think saying someone should shut up is that rude-u need to grow up.youve never seen me swearing or name calling. I've always tried to be honest and wen one of our cars got caught w an illegal carb I admitted it on this site for all to see and apologized even though it was not my decision.Insofar as cheAting- I stand behind wat I said. Tech the cars and there will be no issue- end of story. It's insulting to all the teams out there wen officials turn a blind eye. If you're out there spending time and money and one or two cars are crushing the field You would understand. I've never hid behind some fake name and I've offered to pay for dynos to prove it and I've called extreme cheaters out publicly and they know who I am and have talked crap on me and made threats. Ignoring the rules by officials and extreme cheating has cost alot of guys alot of time money and wins AND has forced guys to cheat more and more just to compete. That's insulting.Never once have they offered to prove they were legit. Oh by the way wen tech'd I've never been wrong. Go and build a car based on the rules and on wat rules have been ignored for years then have the track change the rules after the season began -see how u feel. Also explain why u need a motor location rule and a percentage rule- 54% is 54%. Sorry I was wrong. Don't tech the cars most guys in that division think are cheating- give them an open microphone for another victory speech.