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[LarryTheCableGuy]

If you have a "racesaver" sealed motor You are NOT allowed to race any race other than a racesaver race! That means no 410's, 360's NOTHING He doesnt allow it! French was at Precise Racing Products promoting his deal and the question was asked if someone say running Mercer had motor failure in there "410" could they run there "305" with the "410's, He said absolutly NO!. Only racesaver sanctioned "305" races! The racesaver's from the southern states were invited to race the shows in Georgia and from what I heard French Called the "group" and advissed them not to race or it would cost them to be tore down and possibly by suspended from racesaver. Now I'm not cutting up racesaver by no means. I think he has a great engine rules package and he doesn't change any of the rules. He needs to lighten up on letting guys run there own equipment whenever and wherever they want. And if a track wants to pay $10,000 to win and $100 to start well thats up to the tracks to pay what they want. I raced the 2 day race in georgia and had a great time. We raced Olgothorpe speedway which is about a 5/8 mile track and Swainsboro speedway which is about a 3/8 mile track. Even won at Swainsboro paying $1200. The way I see it. You shouldn't be told when and where you can race if you own all of your equipment. If I was to build another 305, I would build it to racesaver spec. The only reason I say that is that there rule is a 48 lbs crank. And if you were to sell it any racesaver/osw person would buy it. OSW rule is a 46 lbs crank. Everything else is identical. I raced my 305 OSW at Mercer for 2 years and really enjoyed it. And they NEVER told me when and where I could race my car!

[Sawman11]

If you have a "racesaver" sealed motor You are NOT allowed to race any race other than a racesaver race! That means no 410's, 360's NOTHING He doesnt allow it! French was at Precise Racing Products promoting his deal and the question was asked if someone say running Mercer had motor failure in there "410" could they run there "305" with the "410's, He said absolutly NO!. Only racesaver sanctioned "305" races!

The racesaver's from the southern states were invited to race the shows in Georgia and from what I heard French Called the "group" and advissed them not to race or it would cost them to be tore down and possibly by suspended from racesaver.

Now I'm not cutting up racesaver by no means. I think he has a great engine rules package and he doesn't change any of the rules. He needs to lighten up on letting guys run there own equipment whenever and wherever they want. And if a track wants to pay $10,000 to win and $100 to start well thats up to the tracks to pay what they want.

I raced the 2 day race in georgia and had a great time. We raced Olgothorpe speedway which is about a 5/8 mile track and Swainsboro speedway which is about a 3/8 mile track. Even won at Swainsboro paying $1200.

The way I see it. You shouldn't be told when and where you can race if you own all of your equipment. If I was to build another 305, I would build it to racesaver spec. The only reason I say that is that there rule is a 48 lbs crank. And if you were to sell it any racesaver/osw person would buy it. OSW rule is a 46 lbs crank. Everything else is identical.


I raced my 305 OSW at Mercer for 2 years and really enjoyed it. And they NEVER told me when and where I could race my car!

Thats great you won 1200 in a 305. Now it would cost you 100 to go back to Racesaver right? Now for 100 will the tech guy check your motor out to see if anything going bad in motor? They tear it apart right?

[LarryTheCableGuy]

My motor was built to racesaver spec, Brodix heads, 48 lbs crank etc... But it wasn't sealed racesaver. I tried to get my motor sealed racesaver at one time and French gave me and the tech guy ( basically told the tech guy not to tech my motor) a hard time due to a previous situation between French and I. In no way am I trying to bash what French has developed this into, but if he has a hard on for you, you will know it cause he will try to screw you in any way. His whole engine program/concept is a great idea just not any of his B.S. rules. The way I see it if you live closer to a racesaver track go racesaver if you live closer to a OSW track go race OSW.

[LarryTheCableGuy]

Thats great you won 1200 in a 305. Now it would cost you 100 to go back to Racesaver right? Now for 100 will the tech guy check your motor out to see if anything going bad in motor? They tear it apart right?

Sorry but if it was sealed racesaver i'm not sure on the whole procedure. French has said that if you want to race outside of racesaver build another motor and have i painted a different color as your racesaver motor. But thats now 2 motor bills instead of 1.

[Space Racer]

Now I'm not cutting up racesaver by no means. I think he has a great engine rules package and he doesn't change any of the rules. He needs to lighten up on letting guys run there own equipment whenever and wherever they want. And if a track wants to pay $10,000 to win and $100 to start well thats up to the tracks to pay what they want.

Top heavy purses is one of the reasons you are seeing horribly low car counts everywhere now. The high money on top only encourages teams to spend more to win. That's one of the failures of crate late models. They have had these $5,000, $10,000 and more top heavy races and now you have cars that dominate the class because they are Super Late Model equipment with crate motors.

[Sawman11]

My motor was built to racesaver spec, Brodix heads, 48 lbs crank etc... But it wasn't sealed racesaver. I tried to get my motor sealed racesaver at one time and French gave me and the tech guy ( basically told the tech guy not to tech my motor) a hard time due to a previous situation between French and I.

In no way am I trying to bash what French has developed this into, but if he has a hard on for you, you will know it cause he will try to screw you in any way. His whole engine program/concept is a great idea just not any of his B.S. rules.

The way I see it if you live closer to a racesaver track go racesaver if you live closer to a OSW track go race OSW.

Thanks for the information but I would like to know if I go Racesaver and race out of the series let say 3 times and pay 100 bucks will the tech guy be able to tell me if something might be coming apart in motor? Guys say they pull oil filters every week to check if something might be coming apart. 100 bucks is cheap if saves me a motor. Iam I wrong in thinking that way?

[spike]

If you have a "racesaver" sealed motor You are NOT allowed to race any race other than a racesaver race! That means no 410's, 360's NOTHING He doesnt allow it! French was at Precise Racing Products promoting his deal and the question was asked if someone say running Mercer had motor failure in there "410" could they run there "305" with the "410's, He said absolutly NO!. Only racesaver sanctioned "305" races!

The racesaver's from the southern states were invited to race the shows in Georgia and from what I heard French Called the "group" and advissed them not to race or it would cost them to be tore down and possibly by suspended from racesaver.

Now I'm not cutting up racesaver by no means. I think he has a great engine rules package and he doesn't change any of the rules. He needs to lighten up on letting guys run there own equipment whenever and wherever they want. And if a track wants to pay $10,000 to win and $100 to start well thats up to the tracks to pay what they want.

I raced the 2 day race in georgia and had a great time. We raced Olgothorpe speedway which is about a 5/8 mile track and Swainsboro speedway which is about a 3/8 mile track. Even won at Swainsboro paying $1200.

The way I see it. You shouldn't be told when and where you can race if you own all of your equipment. If I was to build another 305, I would build it to racesaver spec. The only reason I say that is that there rule is a 48 lbs crank. And if you were to sell it any racesaver/osw person would buy it. OSW rule is a 46 lbs crank. Everything else is identical.


I raced my 305 OSW at Mercer for 2 years and really enjoyed it. And they NEVER told me when and where I could race my car!

We would go to Williams Grove in the old days and would always smile when the " Frenchman " would show up. The F 1 on the back of the Mack truck. He wasn't going to win but he was fun to watch. Years later he developed the concept of affordable sprint car racing by using some simple rules. Go to the Racesaver website, read and understand the concept. He must have done something right because there are hundreds of motors out there with the same rules. And everyone knows French enforces the rules. They are part of the concept. He wouldn't change a rule because of one person. Part of the concept is that the winner can only get twice what is paid to start. I never talked to him about it, but if a promoter wants to pay $1000 to win, as long as starting pays $500 , that would be okay, I guess. I remember talking with a driver who had tried the 410's. He sold the 410 and went racesaver. He was smiling and said he finally felt he was where be belonged. Just last week I was talking with a racesaver driver and his first encounter with French. He had gone to a race without checking in advance. He said his first encounter wasn't that enjoyable. But there he was in victory circle having beaten others with the same motor and getting twice that of the last starter. It's fun when you understand the concept and let it work. Oh, by the way. I think that $20,000 305 is still for sale. Not sure what concept is in place there other than win at all cost. Doesn't do much for affordable sprint car racing.

[3799]

I thnk we've beat this horse to death. The choice is out there for racers to decide which way they want go. If you want to decide when and where you can race check out OSW. If you want to go Racesaver go that way.

[7wbedford55]

All they needed was enough racesaver cars. Looks like it would have been at least $300 to win and $150 to start. Oh, well.

And Susguehanna runs the 3rd with 25 preregistered teams.

[7wbedford55]

I thnk we've beat this horse to death. The choice is out there for racers to decide which way they want go. If you want to decide when and where you can race check out OSW. If you want to go Racesaver go that way.

You got one last kick in. Now is it done?