Dont be surprised when Mercer turns into a Fab Five division and eliminate Mini stocks in general because of all the problems it has been causing. This decision has cost me alot of money and my sponser alot of labor time. But in the end it will make a few individuals happy. Just hope you didn't ruin a good thing and plan on racing in the years to come to live by the rules you created.
Mercer Raceway Park Mini Stocks
Started by DirtyHarry, Jul 10 2013 09:38 AM
40 replies to this topic
#21
Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:33 PM
#22
Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:47 PM
As I said I don't mind adding weight to the car and so on.Ap24 started 12 last week and within a third of the race was in the front, several of the front running cars all season could not touch him. He has won by 1/4 to 1/2 a lap every race he has won. So do you do you continue to allow him to run which would lead to a lot of guys saying the hell with it , do you open the class wide open, which would be bullshirt and ruin the class, it is a stock class, or do you send him away and keep some kind competiveness in the class. Jmo I feel the later is the best call for now. Maybe have a meeting with mini's after season.
The car was completely legal and we told the tech inspector everything which was being done to the car as well as the specific model and he said it was okay.
You don't need to open the class but having some cars besides neons and cavaliers would also be nice, I felt it was just an opening to other cars and racers. Anyways I'm not there to ruin the competition, and there still was competition I barely cought blazak who was flying last week until he got into the thick cushion on one of the laps.
#23
Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:51 PM
Dont be surprised when Mercer turns into a Fab Five division and eliminate Mini stocks in general because of all the problems it has been causing. This decision has cost me alot of money and my sponser alot of labor time. But in the end it will make a few individuals happy. Just hope you didn't ruin a good thing and plan on racing in the years to come to live by the rules you created.
Do you plan on taking it up to Sharon and racing it? sounds like its going to be fast haha.
Btw to anyone who thinks my car was driving away new racers and rookies it wasn't from what I've seen, I've had almost all of my support from newer drivers.
#24
Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:10 AM
Funny I dont see anyone doing anything to the 17m stockcar. Is that not the same thing that they are doing week after week? No new rules are made to slow him down. So why pick on a mini stock?
#25
Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:18 AM
Funny I dont see anyone doing anything to the 17m stockcar. Is that not the same thing that they are doing week after week? No new rules are made to slow him down. So why pick on a mini stock?
Attention Mini Stock Racers...
Mercer, PA (July 12, 2013): The rule change posted earlier this week has been rescinded pending further study. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Edited by suhoney18, 12 July 2013 - 06:18 AM.
#26
Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:40 AM
AP24 Why not just jack your car up and tape the tires, I know a lot of "complaining" has come from other drivers thinking your locked out. Dispel all the complaints and let's get back to racing. I say shut some of these people and just prove it, but that's me. As far as the horsepower rule, eh, I say open that up, but then again just me.
#27
Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:04 AM
I actually did just that last week and they didn't even inspect the car which I believe was requested before the race. Anyone arguing that my car is locked or welded is free to come over and watch the car have one tire still on the ground and one tire spinning with power.AP24 Why not just jack your car up and tape the tires, I know a lot of "complaining" has come from other drivers thinking your locked out. Dispel all the complaints and let's get back to racing. I say shut some of these people and just prove it, but that's me. As far as the horsepower rule, eh, I say open that up, but then again just me.
#28
Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:19 AM
I actually did just that last week and they didn't even inspect the car which I believe was requested before the race. Anyone arguing that my car is locked or welded is free to come over and watch the car have one tire still on the ground and one tire spinning with power.
Ap24, do you remember a guy named Brad Hibbard (old tech inspector, maybe before your time), he had a method of taping tires. It dispelled all rumors. I say put on a show, it will shut these people up so we can get back to what we are all there for. Personally I am tired of the drama. I am tired of the new rules, rescinded rules, etc. Mercer has been known not to follow their own rules at times, they need to either open it up or stick to their rules (this doesn't mean anything personal to you).
#29
Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:55 AM
No I've not heard of him or it, what is it?Ap24, do you remember a guy named Brad Hibbard (old tech inspector, maybe before your time), he had a method of taping tires. It dispelled all rumors. I say put on a show, it will shut these people up so we can get back to what we are all there for. Personally I am tired of the drama. I am tired of the new rules, rescinded rules, etc. Mercer has been known not to follow their own rules at times, they need to either open it up or stick to their rules (this doesn't mean anything personal to you).
#30
Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:14 AM
No I've not heard of him or it, what is it?
He's the old tech guy at Mercer, his method of testing if cars where locked out. It's pretty fool proof, when cars are on the ground one tire can still spin while one stays still even if there is a lockout. His method was to jack up the car, apply some tape to the tires, then put the car in gear and then spin the tires. By spinning the tires if the tape lines move and match back up they are not locked out, if they don't then they are locked up. Honestly, this is my interpretation of it, but the best and most knowledgeable would be Brad Hibbert, he has a race shop called Race-1 over in Poland, Oh. You could call or email and ask him. Or maybe some other veteran racers could come in and give some more insight on this.
The ground method does not often apply to all vehicles, but I'm pretty sure the tape method does. That's why I suggested it. Like I said, just my suggestion to stop some of the rumors.
#31
Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:32 AM
No yeah I'll do anything doesn't really matter to me lol, by spin you mean with the car on and me hitting the gas or with me just spinning it with my hands?He's the old tech guy at Mercer, his method of testing if cars where locked out. It's pretty fool proof, when cars are on the ground one tire can still spin while one stays still even if there is a lockout. His method was to jack up the car, apply some tape to the tires, then put the car in gear and then spin the tires. By spinning the tires if the tape lines move and match back up they are not locked out, if they don't then they are locked up. Honestly, this is my interpretation of it, but the best and most knowledgeable would be Brad Hibbert, he has a race shop called Race-1 over in Poland, Oh. You could call or email and ask him. Or maybe some other veteran racers could come in and give some more insight on this.
The ground method does not often apply to all vehicles, but I'm pretty sure the tape method does. That's why I suggested it. Like I said, just my suggestion to stop some of the rumors.
#32
Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:33 AM
Funny I dont see anyone doing anything to the 17m stockcar. Is that not the same thing that they are doing week after week? No new rules are made to slow him down. So why pick on a mini stock?
Always gotta bring Rusty into the mix. He didn't win Saturday.
#33
Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:41 AM
No yeah I'll do anything doesn't really matter to me lol, by spin you mean with the car on and me hitting the gas or with me just spinning it with my hands?
Car jacked up and by hitting the gas, is my understanding. Hopefully someone else or Brad himself could chime in on this. Btw, I got to admit I like your willingness to do all this. It's been a while since I have seen it done. I am willing to admit that, lol.
#34
Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:16 PM
still every race but 3 this year....Always gotta bring Rusty into the mix. He didn't win Saturday.
Edited by suhoney18, 12 July 2013 - 08:17 PM.
#35
Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:03 PM
No yeah I'll do anything doesn't really matter to me lol, by spin you mean with the car on and me hitting the gas or with me just spinning it with my hands?
Brad would tape both tires in the same spot and make you drive in a circle, it wouldn't make a difference for the Nissan spec v. It only locks at high torque acceleration such as mid corner and exit. the rules state that factory trans and no locked trans so they need to figure out what comes first. The newer Dodges do the same thing. Im glad MERCER RACEWAY dropped the hp rule these new cars r getn more powerful then the 90s and early 00s. I say let everyone lock there trans, and the HP thing isn't much you can do with that other then build a newer model year. Hope this helps for the miss informed and ap24 you did your homework and new what stock 4cyl would be one of the fastest !!!!!!
Got this of Wikipedia after typing in Nissan Sentra Spec v
How they work[edit]
The Torsen differential works just like a conventional differential but can lock up if a torque imbalance occurs, the maximum ratio of torque imbalance being defined by the Torque Bias Ratio (TBR).[3] When a Torsen has a 3:1 TBR, that means that one side of the differential can handle up to 75% while the other side would have to only handle 25% of applied torque. During acceleration under asymmetric traction conditions, so long as the higher traction side can handle the higher percentage of applied torque, no relative wheelspin will occur. When the traction difference exceeds the TBR, the slower output side of the differential receives the tractive torque of the faster wheel multiplied by the TBR; any extra torque remaining from applied torque contributes to the angular acceleration of the faster output side of the differential.
NOTE: The TBR should not be confused with the uneven torque-split feature in the planetary-type Torsen III. The planetary gearset allows a Torsen III center differential to distribute torque unevenly between front and rear axles during normal (full traction) operation without inducing wind-up in the drivetrain. This feature is independent of the Torque Bias Ratio.
Torsens in front and/or rear axles[edit]
When attempting to turn with a torque sensitive differential, the outer wheel will need to rotate quicker relative to the differential, and the inner wheel will rotate slower than the differential. Friction in the differential will oppose motion, and that will work to slow the faster side and speed up the slower/inner side. This leads to asymmetric torque distributions in drive wheels, matching the TBR. Cornering in this manner will reduce the torque applied to the outer tire, leading to possibly greater cornering power, unless the inner wheel is overpowered (which is easier to do than with an open differential). When the inner tire (which has less traction due to weight transfer from lateral acceleration) is overpowered, it angularly accelerates up to the outer wheel speed (small percent wheel spin) and the differential locks, and if the traction difference does not exceed the TBR, the outer wheel will then have a higher torque applied to it. If the traction difference exceeds the TBR, the outer tire gets the tractive torque of the inner wheel multiplied by the TBR, and the remaining applied torque to the differential contributes to wheel spin up.
When a Torsen differential is employed, the slower-moving wheel always receives more torque than the faster-moving wheel. The Torsen T-2R RaceMaster is the only Torsen to have a preload clutch. So, even if a wheel is airborne, torque is applied to the other side. If one wheel were raised in the air, the regular Torsen units would act like an open differential, and no torque would be transferred to the other wheel. This is where the parking brake "trick" can help out. If the parking brake is applied, assuming that the parking brake applies even resistance to each side, then the drag to the airborne side is 'multiplied' through the differential, and TBR times the drag torque is applied to the other side. So, the ground side would see (TBR X drag torque) minus drag torque, and hopefully that can help restore progress either forward/backwards. In Hummer/HMMWV applications,
#36
Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:10 PM
Well I'm going to work
Edited by Ap24, 13 July 2013 - 08:24 AM.
#37
Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:23 PM
This is true, we talked to mercer about it in week 2 I believe.
The fix was replacing the current transmission with that of a 2003 spec v, which is what mercer told us to do.
So this way we don't have the newer technology.
It came with it since 02 since they started making it I believe and there isn't a way to prove it other wise other then tearing your trans apart?!?!?!?!?! unless the 2.0 trans bolts to the 2.5 its still locking. Don't take it the wrong way. Its still stock in my book no matter what year its a gray area and you found it.
#38
Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:59 PM
Why is rusty Moore even being talked about
Edited by Ap24, 13 July 2013 - 08:22 AM.
#39
Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:38 AM
still every race but 3 this year....
He's been racing how many years? Do you think he may have learned something over those years?
What have you ever raced know it all. If guy's would actually work on their cars,and not just stand there looking at it they might also do better. Better yet spend some money on the car to go faster rather than blame somebody else for cheating. If your too lazy,or too poor to make your operation worth while then GET OUT!! Racing is not the welfare system where they hand you what you want when you whine. That car is no better than any other well maintained car out there,and the body you hate does not make it untouchable. You can put a good driver in a bad car and make it look better,but you will never put a squirrel in a good car and go to the front. You most likely have all the answers as your are the keyboard king,and racing know it all.
#40
Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:30 AM
I said nothing wrong about the 17m car. Just to let you know, but how would you like if they started to make rules to slow him down is the point I was making.
Second the stockcars divison wasnt started to see how much money you can spend on you car it was made for the low buck person to get in to racing. It is the ones that buy their way to the front that made it bad for racing. If your that good and have the money to spend then run a divison that pays more and test you on how good you are.
As far as his time racing he should of learned someting by now. Anyone that dose something for 25+ years should know how to do what they do.
A GOOD DRIVER CAN WIN IN WHAT HE DRIVES BUT A GRATE DRIVE CAN WIN IN ANYTHING THAT HE DRIVES.
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