Rumor is there are interested parties who would like to reopen Dog Hollow Speedway....three prominent
names mentioned, but not confirmed......possible racing this year.
DOG HOLLOW
Started by stagger109, Aug 27 2013 10:27 PM
22 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:27 PM
#2
Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:04 PM
That would be outstanding if there is any truth to the rumor! Id be back to support it if they run SS!
#3
Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:06 PM
serious question...what could they do that would pull more cars? getting less than 10 every week won't cut it....That would be outstanding if there is any truth to the rumor! Id be back to support it if they run SS!
#4
Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:21 PM
To me I always look at what a track pays, and not just to win. If they pay decent back thru the field that is the biggest factor for me, Rules are also a big thing. As long as they keep them in line with other tracks and you don't have to change too much. Think the biggest problem with that place was the owner and how it was run, A lot of rough driving was allowed and too many inconsistent calls on the track. SS are very plentiful in this area just look at the car counts for the 3 closest tracks that run on Saturdays. All 3 avg about 15, That puts at least 45 in the general area, If you pay well they will show up as long as they can get a fair shot at winning and not destroy it in the process
#5
Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:18 AM
Actually, the car counts were decent except for the SS and PS divisions; unfortunately the weekly costs to run those divisions and compete is comparable to the cost to run the higher divisions minus the annual maintenance expenses. When you choose to race those classes you need to be prepared to pour a lot of money into your racing program to win a fraction of the higher divisions.
No tire limitations, no true engine power limitations, no suspension limitations have put those divisions in a no "win" situation, either you spend or you follow.
This is just my opinion.
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serious question...what could they do that would pull more cars? getting less than 10 every week won't cut it....
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#6
Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:01 AM
[quote name='dylchris' date='Aug 28 2013, 09:18 AM' post='374893']
Actually, the car counts were decent except for the SS and PS divisions; unfortunately the weekly costs to run those divisions and compete is comparable to the cost to run the higher divisions minus the annual maintenance expenses. When you choose to race those classes you need to be prepared to pour a lot of money into your racing program to win a fraction of the higher divisions.
No tire limitations, no true engine power limitations, no suspension limitations have put those divisions in a no "win" situation, either you spend or you follow.
This is just my opinion.
Finally ! Someone has hit the nail on the head ! Us budget racers can't afford a no limit on motor and suspension class. That's why when the front wheel drive class first started they had 100. Of those alone! Then like dumb asses,no one put a claim limit on them. Ppl allowed $5,000. Motors and now no one even runs those any more. Tracks need to realize who the average racer and fan is. Its the working Joe. With a gear head,who wants to race as a hobby. Not their fortune 500. Tax write off. Give us an affordable class to run in where we don't need a $20,000. Motor and we will come.
Actually, the car counts were decent except for the SS and PS divisions; unfortunately the weekly costs to run those divisions and compete is comparable to the cost to run the higher divisions minus the annual maintenance expenses. When you choose to race those classes you need to be prepared to pour a lot of money into your racing program to win a fraction of the higher divisions.
No tire limitations, no true engine power limitations, no suspension limitations have put those divisions in a no "win" situation, either you spend or you follow.
This is just my opinion.
Finally ! Someone has hit the nail on the head ! Us budget racers can't afford a no limit on motor and suspension class. That's why when the front wheel drive class first started they had 100. Of those alone! Then like dumb asses,no one put a claim limit on them. Ppl allowed $5,000. Motors and now no one even runs those any more. Tracks need to realize who the average racer and fan is. Its the working Joe. With a gear head,who wants to race as a hobby. Not their fortune 500. Tax write off. Give us an affordable class to run in where we don't need a $20,000. Motor and we will come.
#7
Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:54 PM
Force, Hugill, and Valenti are the names that have been rumored to be interested in Dog Hollow. 
#8
Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:10 PM
Unless someone is willing to spend a nice chunk of money on major improvements to the facilities and large amounts of good clay on the track it will be status quo..........
But then again who in their right mind would ever think buying and operating a track these days would be a smart business move???
#9
Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:23 PM
JEFF TAYLOR
#10
Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:14 PM
But then again who in their right mind would ever think buying and operating a track these days would be a smart business move???
Someone who is crazy successful in their other business ventures and need a part of the portfolio that shows a loss for tax pruposes?!?!
Read: Force Inc.
Get in on the ground floor while reaping the tax benefits and when the economy turns around you're potentially sitting on a cash cow.
Even in its current configuration, that place can turn a profit if operated and marketed properly, but clearly that's not as easy as it sounds, or more people would be doing it.
#11
Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:20 PM
There is no such thing as " needing a part of the portfolio to show a loss" a loss is a lossSomeone who is crazy successful in their other business ventures and need a part of the portfolio that shows a loss for tax pruposes?!?!
Read: Force Inc.
Get in on the ground floor while reaping the tax benefits and when the economy turns around you're potentially sitting on a cash cow.
Even in its current configuration, that place can turn a profit if operated and marketed properly, but clearly that's not as easy as it sounds, or more people would be doing it.
#12
Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:13 PM
Atleast you and I can agree on cne thing!There is no such thing as " needing a part of the portfolio to show a loss" a loss is a loss
#13
Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:43 PM
word i heard was john kennedy was gonna lease it. he already has a source for the new clay lined up and supposedly is going to have two, $20k to win NDRL races there next season, along with weekly racing paying $2000 for Supers
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#14
Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:56 PM
word i heard was john kennedy was gonna lease it. he already has a source for the new clay lined up and supposedly is going to have two, $20k to win NDRL races there next season, along with weekly racing paying $2000 for Supers
Lol. And I suppose he's going to run Fridays to put Lernerville out of business too, right?
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#15
Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:10 PM
word i heard was john kennedy was gonna lease it. he already has a source for the new clay lined up and supposedly is going to have two, $20k to win NDRL races there next season, along with weekly racing paying $2000 for Supers
I DON'T BELEAVE THAT BECAUSE JIM HAS ALREADY STATED HE WILL NOT LEASE THE TRACK IT IS FOR SALE NO FOR LEASE
#16
Posted 29 August 2013 - 02:18 PM
I tink u mean McKean county rite??word i heard was john kennedy was gonna lease it. he already has a source for the new clay lined up and supposedly is going to have two, $20k to win NDRL races there next season, along with weekly racing paying $2000 for Supers
#17
Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:14 AM
I tink u mean McKean county rite??
no they already got mckean for another 5 years. so many guys hate the tire rules at lernerville, and with a bunch of other tracks closing they can pull those cars in. dog hollow had better car count in lates than lernerville did already, combine that with $2k to win, and the cars (and fans) will be there.
The Rim Ryder!!! Wooooo
#18
Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:26 AM
Not to mention you can also watch six other support divisions, including two divisions each of stock cars and 4 cylinders, for a dollar less than Lernerville's grandstand admission.no they already got mckean for another 5 years. so many guys hate the tire rules at lernerville, and with a bunch of other tracks closing they can pull those cars in. dog hollow had better car count in lates than lernerville did already, combine that with $2k to win, and the cars (and fans) will be there.
If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just suck.
#19
Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:35 AM
no they already got mckean for another 5 years. so many guys hate the tire rules at lernerville, and with a bunch of other tracks closing they can pull those cars in. dog hollow had better car count in lates than lernerville did already, combine that with $2k to win, and the cars (and fans) will be there.
Why would they want another Friday night track when they already have one that pays great purses and can't pull but ten cars a week? They'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Now, if they ran Sundays they might something great on their hands....
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#20
Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:27 AM
That track does not have the seating or the facilities to host any kind of 20K show. If this guy is going to lease it, he better be prepared to dump some money into that place. I don't see someone wanting to lease a track spending tons of money to upgrade a facility. Not going to happen. Ask Joe Gombach or Glenn Hinkle about it.
$2K to win for the Supers weekly? What does second through 24th pay? That is were you get the cars. Bigger SLM fields than Lernerville? Maybe a handful of times, but they never had near the quality of cars. Outside of Blose, Stiles, Britsky and Copeman and occasionally Danny Swartzlander, who else was there?
Big shows are great to have, if you have the seating and other amenities that can service the requisite 8K to 12K people you have to draw to pay those big purses.
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