With one full season in the books, what are some thoughts about the semi-late division? They started with 2 cars, and by the end of the season they had about 15 that competed at some point (although not all on the same night.)
Myself, I like the class, and I think it will continue to grow in regards to car counts. Does the "no spoiler" rule help with cost reduction and/or performance? I'd like to see a spoiler on them, just for appearance.
AMP Semi-Lates
Started by T-440, Nov 19 2013 05:40 PM
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#1
Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:40 PM
#2
Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:12 PM
With one full season in the books, what are some thoughts about the semi-late division? They started with 2 cars, and by the end of the season they had about 15 that competed at some point (although not all on the same night.)
Myself, I like the class, and I think it will continue to grow in regards to car counts. Does the "no spoiler" rule help with cost reduction and/or performance? I'd like to see a spoiler on them, just for appearance.
We did have 19 different cars this season and one that was a 604 so to see the difference between the cars.We have changed the spoiler rule for 2014.Jeff had them run without the spoilers last season to just give some difference between the two classes.AMP will have 12 new cars in this class to start the season.This will make for a full field to start the season.Way more than their expectations were for only the second season.Many new things to help racing for the drivers and fans.They will allow the spoilers next season.They have notified most of the semi lates to let them know.
Edited by Chuck Stevens, 19 November 2013 - 06:23 PM.
#3
Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:25 PM
Is the spoiler the only rule change or are their others for the Semi=Late class? This class can grow to 50 or 60 cars as long as it remains affordable. The rules really limit the need to spend a lot of money on the cars.
We did have 19 different cars this season and one that was a 604 so to see the difference between the cars.We have changed the spoiler rule for 2014.Jeff had them run without the spoilers last season to just give some difference between the two classes.AMP will have 12 new cars in this class to start the season.This will make for a full field to start the season.Way more than their expectations were for only the second season.Many new things to help racing for the drivers and fans.They will allow the spoilers next season.They have notified most of the semi lates to let them know.
Edited by dylchris, 19 November 2013 - 06:29 PM.
#4
Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:28 PM
Thanks for the update! It's good to see this class continue to grow. It is a lot closer to what I thought the original crate divisions were designed to be.
Another question for teams that compete in this class... Do you buy new tires, or used tires from other teams?
#5
Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:33 PM
A total of two new tires on the 55, no new tires on the 25; only recycled tires I had at the house and from the open car. The 26 of Chad had many tires form our pile as well, I do not believe there were any new tires in his camp either.
I spoke with John 7-up car and I believe he was using his crate stuff up as well. 4 gallons of fuel a night is all they used as well.
I spoke with John 7-up car and I believe he was using his crate stuff up as well. 4 gallons of fuel a night is all they used as well.
Thanks for the update! It's good to see this class continue to grow. It is a lot closer to what I thought the original crate divisions were designed to be.
Another question for teams that compete in this class... Do you buy new tires, or used tires from other teams?
#6
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:11 PM
We did have 19 different cars this season and one that was a 604 so to see the difference between the cars [ how did that 604 make out?]
Edited by jake shady, 19 November 2013 - 07:14 PM.
#7
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:12 PM
Who was it?
We did have 19 different cars this season and one that was a 604 so to see the difference between the cars how did that 604 make out?
#8
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:16 PM
I just got off the phone with Jeff and he stated absolutely no other rule changes.Jeff reminded me that when he opened AMP he wanted to make changes to the pure stock and the street stocks to go back the way it used to be.He spoke to some drivers and was told that was a bad idea and car counts would be very low.He decided to try and start an in expensive class,talked to some well informed car owners such as Scott Fenton and Nick Lofredo from Clinton County about what he wanted to do and this is how this class started.Their are a few changes coming in the 4 cylinder class,street stocks and pure stocks.Jeff has spoken to many drivers in those classes and will be announcing them with in a week.
#9
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:20 PM
The payout for the class looks pretty fair, maybe could use a little beefing up in the middle of the field...
The class grew quicker than I thought it would. I guessed 10 cars by the end of the summer...
#10
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:23 PM
Jake,We started him in the rear of the feature,he had much more straight away speed and finished third.Jeff was standing with me at the middle light pole and looked over at me and said that will not work and there went any idea of letting them in.
#11
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:30 PM
I've seen some 604 engines hold thier own against the unlimted lates once the track slicks off. I think the rules, as they are now, with the 602 or a comparable built engine is a good deal. The fact that teams are moving up to this division, and new teams are starting out in this division, says a lot.
#12
Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:43 PM
I took the 604 up and tried it started last and finished second.then we put the 602 in and finished off the season.we had a 604 in the new car and ran one night against the super lates and finished third and as far as tires I used what we had laying around the shop
#13
Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:19 PM
jeff needs to stick with rules for all classes...like street stocks...rules stated all rears must be inclosed and slowly but surely you started seeing more and more cars running open and then it was just whatever...so next year we will have 3 classes that look like late models now? good call...
#14
Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:53 AM
street stocks have been looking like late models for years. take a look at some of the pro-1 cars. only way you can tell the difference, is whether they have wide 5's, or stock bolt patterns. they need to go back to the way they used to be to be able to tell the difference, STOCK appearing BODIES! not noses, or tail pieces. the WHOLE body. i think they looked way better then anyway. in my opinion, i think a stock 80's monte carlo body with a bit of a chop to the roof looks really cool!jeff needs to stick with rules for all classes...like street stocks...rules stated all rears must be inclosed and slowly but surely you started seeing more and more cars running open and then it was just whatever...so next year we will have 3 classes that look like late models now? good call...
#15
Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:41 AM
What is the motor rules exactly.heads ,lifters,and cam. Dry sump ? I hope not. I blew my motor and need to start from scratch.I really like this class. Hope more tracks run it
#16
Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:01 AM
To make the class really fair and cheap to run why not make the motors 602 crates. Instead of trying to find a 358 or having one built by a motor shop, a racer could drop a 602 in for 3,200 and go racing. We all know that people will tweak the 358 somewhere and have an advantage over others in the class!!I just got off the phone with Jeff and he stated absolutely no other rule changes.Jeff reminded me that when he opened AMP he wanted to make changes to the pure stock and the street stocks to go back the way it used to be.He spoke to some drivers and was told that was a bad idea and car counts would be very low.He decided to try and start an in expensive class,talked to some well informed car owners such as Scott Fenton and Nick Lofredo from Clinton County about what he wanted to do and this is how this class started.Their are a few changes coming in the 4 cylinder class,street stocks and pure stocks.Jeff has spoken to many drivers in those classes and will be announcing them with in a week.
Edited by plymouth-man, 20 November 2013 - 11:02 AM.
Mash the loud pedal.
#17
Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:11 AM
with the rules in place, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to gain an advantageTo make the class really fair and cheap to run why not make the motors 602 crates. Instead of trying to find a 358 or having one built by a motor shop, a racer could drop a 602 in for 3,200 and go racing. We all know that people will tweak the 358 somewhere and have an advantage over others in the class!!
#18
Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:33 AM
Well that's only if cam and head rules are followed. My question is if a certain car is winning all the time, is this car going to be teched? And who is to tell if the motor is a true 358, maybe it has much more ci than that. I just think it would make it much simpler to run the same engine in all cars, this takes away the cheating in motors!!with the rules in place, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to gain an advantage
Mash the loud pedal.
#19
Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:44 AM
you have a good point on that. but if the cars get teched regularly, like a random top 3 tech, every week one of the top 3 cars get teched. in no order, just st random. pick a number at the beginning of the night, whether it be 1st 2nd or 3rd, just don't tell the racers or teams what place it will be. that would kinda keep them on their toes. possibly keeping them in the rules.Well that's only if cam and head rules are followed. My question is if a certain car is winning all the time, is this car going to be teched? And who is to tell if the motor is a true 358, maybe it has much more ci than that. I just think it would make it much simpler to run the same engine in all cars, this takes away the cheating in motors!!
#20
Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:48 AM
Well that's only if cam and head rules are followed. My question is if a certain car is winning all the time, is this car going to be teched? And who is to tell if the motor is a true 358, maybe it has much more ci than that. I just think it would make it much simpler to run the same engine in all cars, this takes away the cheating in motors!!
A tech man,worth anything at all can pump a motor.it'll tell you exactly how many cubes it is.
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