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[The Legend]

The same stuff has been said about WRG since its inception about how they are losing so much money and are going under. Hasn't happened yet, and their drivers get paid. One mistake people seem to make is that WRG has their cart hitched to the WOO LM horse and their success depends strictly on how that series does. Completely ignoring the STP WoO Sprint series which operates without opposition and is a huge draw. Plus to a lesser extent the Super Dirt series. They can decide to fold the LM series and still exist. Two winters ago everyone was convinced the ROC series would be ending the WRG involvement in the Mod world as Fulton and Brewerton went away from Dirtcar and now a couple yrs later they are going back. The same happened with NST for Sprints. Kinser Lasoski and most of the big teams left WOO and most predicted their demise. Most said the WoO wouldn't survive with lower tier drivers like Schatz and Saldana. We saw how thatt turned out. The WoO Lates outlasted xrteme and have stayed neck and neck with Lucas. I just have seen this to many times before to come out and bury the WRG group. They have survived several challenges before.

Your previous examples relied only on sponsor dollars. And I'm not sure if you noticed but there's a radical communist in the White House so the economic situation is drastically different. It's going to be much more difficult for the seed slurpers to find any type of infusion of cash. I clearly see your a big woo fan for what ever reason .... But the entire world knows the woo telling their guys they couldn't race at mc Kean county on an off night !!!! was some kindergarten BS, was there another time the woo late models specifically were told what to do on an off night ??? How about what they did to Jason Sides a few years back for racing on an off night ??? They attempt to operate like some sort of mafia only with no money or power to back it up ... Why on earth does anyone support that ?

Edited by The Legend, 28 December 2013 - 07:34 AM.

[Dirt54]

Your previous examples relied only on sponsor dollars. And I'm not sure if you noticed but there's a radical communist in the White House so the economic situation is drastically different. It's going to be much more difficult for the seed slurpers to find any type of infusion of cash. I clearly see your a big woo fan for what ever reason .... But the entire world knows the woo telling their guys they couldn't race at mc Kean county on an off night !!!! was some kindergarten BS, was there another time the woo late models specifically were told what to do on an off night ??? How about what they did to Jason Sides a few years back for racing on an off night ??? They attempt to operate like some sort of mafia only with no money or power to back it up ... Why on earth does anyone support that ?

Sounds like there operating like a communist country, they tell you what to do and can't do. Then again look what are country is turning into.

[T-440]

Your previous examples relied only on sponsor dollars. And I'm not sure if you noticed but there's a radical communist in the White House so the economic situation is drastically different. It's going to be much more difficult for the seed slurpers to find any type of infusion of cash. I clearly see your a big woo fan for what ever reason .... But the entire world knows the woo telling their guys they couldn't race at mc Kean county on an off night !!!! was some kindergarten BS, was there another time the woo late models specifically were told what to do on an off night ??? How about what they did to Jason Sides a few years back for racing on an off night ??? They attempt to operate like some sort of mafia only with no money or power to back it up ... Why on earth does anyone support that ?

I'm not sure if the Mckean County race was the first time the late model series invoked that rule or not. I do know that the world of outlaws sprint car series follows that rule pretty much all the time. Lincoln always had a higher paying mid-week show scheduled when the outlaws were in town, and very few times did any of the touring teams compete. Usually if any of them did, it was one or two teams with local ties to the event that asked for and were given permission. A lot of the top drivers wouldn't have raced anyway, for the simple fact that they wouldn't have gotten any appearance money. For teams that aren't following the tour and getting appearance money, or aren't in the top paying point positions, the rule doesn't matter to them. Maybe the rule wasn't used as often with the late model series....

As for the WoO, the sprint series has split at least twice. First the USA and the NST and both times most of the top names left the WoO for the greener pastures of the new group, and both times, the new group folded and those same drivers went back to the WoO.... The sprint series has been around since 1978, and they still pack almost every track they race at, so they must be doing something right... I haven't really followed the Late Model series alot, so I don't know how many other sanctioning bodies have come and gone since the WoO late models started...

[Walt Wimer]

This stuff is as old as the hills!! Back in the 1950s-60s NASCAR enforced these type of dictorial policies and it took them several decades to get away from it. About 1961 they suspended a pair of Modified drivers who were track champs for running the big Langhorne race after the weekly tracks were shut. For doing that NASCAR took away all their points and their track titles. I am not positive now, but I think the drivers were Bobby Malzahn and Elton Hildreth who passed away this past summer. Walt

[RocketChassis#1]

Not a fan of the WoO or WRG, but I do understand why they did what they did to McKean. They just don't want other tracks "piggybacking" off there shows. If a track schedules an WoO show for Saturday, then another nearby track schedules a big race for Friday or Sunday, but is not a WoO sanction, they would benefit from the WoO cars showing up without having to pay for the sanction. The WoO just wants to put a stop to that. It's like the old saying, "why buy the cow, if you can get the milk for free".

[The Legend]

Not a fan of the WoO or WRG, but I do understand why they did what they did to McKean. They just don't want other tracks "piggybacking" off there shows. If a track schedules an WoO show for Saturday, then another nearby track schedules a big race for Friday or Sunday, but is not a WoO sanction, they would benefit from the WoO cars showing up without having to pay for the sanction. The WoO just wants to put a stop to that. It's like the old saying, "why buy the cow, if you can get the milk for free".

I see it more as an attempt to extort money from a promotor in order to allow racers to race .... Having a couple of the woo cars stop in for the race isn't the same as having a woo show , you can't advertise it as a WOO race and you have no guarantee as to which drivers would show up. Funny I've never heard of Lucas pulling that BS only the WOO.... That's how wanna be mafioso jack offs operate ....

[Skull]

I see it more as an attempt to extort money from a promotor in order to allow racers to race .... Having a couple of the woo cars stop in for the race isn't the same as having a woo show , you can't advertise it as a WOO race and you have no guarantee as to which drivers would show up. Funny I've never heard of Lucas pulling that BS only the WOO.... That's how wanna be mafioso jack offs operate ....

You make no sense whatsoever. You think it's perfectly fine for the NDRL to tell a group of drivers supporting their show that they can either run for a less than advertised purse or load up and go home, but you bitch incessantly about this? BTW, I'm not a fan of what the WoO did, either. BOTH moves display a lack of integrity.

[gofast05]

You make no sense whatsoever. You think it's perfectly fine for the NDRL to tell a group of drivers supporting their show that they can either run for a less than advertised purse or load up and go home, but you bitch incessantly about this? BTW, I'm not a fan of what the WoO did, either. BOTH moves display a lack of integrity.

I think its dumb. I can kind of agree with huck. I've never heard of lucas doing that. Drivers should be able to hit whatever shows they want as long as they still make the WoO shows. Like huck said, Its not gaurenteed who will show up if anyone.

[GEARHEAD]

You make no sense whatsoever. You think it's perfectly fine for the NDRL to tell a group of drivers supporting their show that they can either run for a less than advertised purse or load up and go home, but you bitch incessantly about this? BTW, I'm not a fan of what the WoO did, either. BOTH moves display a lack of integrity.

The drivers voted for that, why is that hard for you to understand? They should have scrapped the whole weekend on Saturday but they ran anyway for the benefit of the drivers.

[The Legend]

The drivers voted for that, why is that hard for you to understand? They should have scrapped the whole weekend on Saturday but they ran anyway for the benefit of the drivers.

There's no way to explain that to a fella with a mouth full off outlaw skiz ....

[The Legend]

The drivers voted for that, why is that hard for you to understand? They should have scrapped the whole weekend on Saturday but they ran anyway for the benefit of the drivers.

There's no way to explain that to a fella with a mouth full off outlaw skiz ....

[BaconBits]

You guys do know that the WoO has had the rule they enforced with Jason Sides and MCR going all the way back to the Ted Johnson days, long before WRG even existed, right?

[clwillis]

You guys do know that the WoO has had the rule they enforced with Jason Sides and MCR going all the way back to the Ted Johnson days, long before WRG even existed, right?

Probably not. Most of them were born after Ted died

[The Legend]

When you only have 45 events a year it's absurd to control your regulars with dictatorial authority to prevent them from racing on their 320 off days a year ....

[BaconBits]

When you only have 45 events a year it's absurd to control your regulars with dictatorial authority to prevent them from racing on their 320 off days a year ....

It is a little absurd, but still, it's amongst the rules, and has been for decades. If a driver decides to not read the rulebook or go against the rules, then it's on them.

In a similar vein, if a track doesn't know the rules, then maybe they should have done a little research, too. A situation very similar to what happened at MCR happened at Stateline five or six years ago. It's not like this is the first time it has ever happned.

[03Rocket]

When you only have 45 events a year it's absurd to control your regulars with dictatorial authority to prevent them from racing on their 320 off days a year ....

I agree with what you are saying but ultimately those 8-12 drivers chose to run that series over the freedom of doing whatever they pleased. If they don't agree with that rule they no longer have to be a paid outlaw guy and do as they please. Its their choice ultimately no one is stating its law to follow the outlaws if they the drivers were unhappy then drop off simple as that