24 replies to this topic

[Justin314]

I think its time for the tracks of Lernerville, PPMS, Sharon, and Mercer to work together and come up with a way to have full field of cars. Sorta like the FAST series but with the lates and mods too. Anyone agree or disagree ?

[lvillefan19]

I agree 100%. To bad it probably won't happen

[bhhracing]

how can they do that when they all race on the same night except lernerville?

[lvillefan19]

He meant for late models with the ville and ppms. Mercer with sprints and Sharon with the big blocks

[race ace]

we as racers are our own worse enemies ,the high dollar teams have all the good stuff and they talk the track owners into letting them run their cars at their tracks and all the poor people that own their own cars scratch and save all winter to try to keep up the best they can . go into the pits and ask one of these high dollar streetstock drivers how much of their own pocket money they have in the car they are running and i bet you find they dont have a dime in it . can't anyone see these guys are killing our sport? and  if we don't soon stop it they will kill it completly quit changing the rules to  satisfy these high dollar teams and put the rules where a kid would want to build a car and be competitive . i don't even know what Lernerville's rules for their stocks are but i see they have a full field every week and have for the last few years . seems to me maybe a little guys nationals set of rules might be the way to go to get car counts up around the clearfield area .different weight rules for engine size or depending what transmission  you have in the car .

[714d]

Quit bawling about the cost of street stocks and run pure stock if you want stock rules. The cars you are bitching about are legal at lernerville and at little guys. Put your suit and tie on and go get some sponsors so you don't have to race on your own dime. Don't get on here and bash those who put time in to their program

[The Legend]

The rules are what they are because of the age old false argument that you can buy a used XYZ cheaper than a new abc which assumes people will buy used and they won't. They never should have started letting " cadets " move suspension mounts and run racing shocks and springs and run late model tires . Without a car that handles you can't use the power expensive motors make anyway

[race ace]

Quit bawling about the cost of street stocks and run pure stock if you want stock rules. The cars you are bitching about are legal at lernerville and at little guys. Put your suit and tie on and go get some sponsors so you don't have to race on your own dime. Don't get on here and bash those who put time in to their program.

Edited by race ace, 25 May 2014 - 10:14 AM.

[race ace]

pure stocks have the biggest class at A.M.P because it is what the old street stock class  was years ago m and if you look i am not currently running anything so this is not about me  i said lernerville seems to have the street stock class figurted out and it seems to be working for them maybe your answer to why the car counts are down is to look at what lernerville is doing .

[T-440]

Ace, throw some slicks on the car and take it up to CNB today! 

[BaconBits]

lvillefan19, on 23 May 2014 - 9:03 PM, said:

He meant for late models with the ville and ppms. Mercer with sprints and Sharon with the big blocks

Most of PPMS' late models also run Lernerville. Lernerville and Sharon run the same rules for modifieds, and an awful lot of cars run both those tracks too.

There aren't so many sprints period, and regardless of it being Lernerville or Mercer. There's probably 25 or less sprinters in the area, and at that, there's realistically 8 or so cars that can actually win at either place. I can't see many people buying/building a sprint car to be shit on by the same 7 or 8 guys night in and night out.

 

 

I don't know what you would do that would change any of that to make more cars come in any division.

Edited by BaconBits, 25 May 2014 - 12:07 PM.

[D1RT]

pure stocks have the biggest class at A.M.P because it is what the old street stock class  was years ago m and if you look i am not currently running anything so this is not about me  i said lernerville seems to have the street stock class figurted out and it seems to be working for them maybe your answer to why the car counts are down is to look at what lernerville is doing .

You ever think the reason Lernerville's stock class is good is because they have no competition for drawing cars on Friday nights while AMP is going up against two other tracks in close proximity on Saturday nights running pretty much the exact same divisions.....

[race ace]

if you think a.m.p streetstocks and marion center street stocks and hummingbird are all the same animal you need to get out more,  the cars at marion center could pass off as late models at some places and you can run a bert tranny at a.m.p and as of now hummingbird you cant run a bert  tranny .the problem is nobody  will unify a rules package with the other area tracks and that is really what needs to happen .

[Walt Wimer]

Lernerville does have some competition from Dog Hollow about an hour away!!  But the main reason they have such good fields in their "Sportsman" class is that is the ONLY support class at that track!!   Throw in Strictly Stocks, Mini-stocks or some other kind of lower class and the car counts for the Stocks at Lernerville would go down.  IMHO most western PA tracks have too many classes and that is hurting car counts.  Four classes is plenty, not five or six!!

 

GOOD RACING!!!!

 

Walt

[Fwig]

Walt hit the nail on the head! 100% correct. I just got back from the two race NDRL NE weekend and we had 6 or 7 classes at MCR and 5 at Little Valley! Outside of crates no support class at either track had big car counts. Lernerville's format is by far the best in PA. Four classes are plenty, two big classes and two support, and bring in a series drop a class or two. No reason to try to keep fans there for 5 and 6 hours.

Owner and Promoters should pay Walt consulting fees to get their tracks heading in the right direction.

[Skull]

Too many tracks, too many support divisions. How many times does it have to be said? There are many people out there that used to go weekly, but now save their money and go to special shows. They see the big classes they want to see with out all of the bullshit. I don't blame them. Back gate promoting is helping to kill this sport as much as the economy, apathy or anything else.

[ramey36]

Speedway Illustrated runs the same style article a few times per year concerning successful short track racing.

Two, three classes max.
Consistent tech.
Great food.
Efficient, well run show.

[WestPA LM Fan]

Walt, Fwig, and Skull. You are all dead on. There is more killing this sport than just "the economy." Sometimes I think that actually is nothing more than an excuse.

 

I personally know many fans that used to be weekly regulars that now only go once in a while to specials so they don't have to deal with 4 + divisions of lower stuff just to see what they actually paid to see, as Skull said. Just sad.

 

And, like Walt said, there needs to be no more than 4 divisions TOPS. Having all these back gate divisions is a joke, period.

 

I know the eastern part of the state has a bit better economy, but, they get along just fine with 2-3 divisions tops and it keeps the front gate a whole lot better.

 

Great posts.

[Fwig]

Keep in mind not but 5-6 years ago (2008 and 2009) "the economy" was the worst since the crash of '29. Funny none of the tracks racing today and back then, and no one moved a track to my knowledge, had problems with car counts. The difference now, is more classes and now let's just make up a class and run it philosophy. I believe they all have proven to be non-winners.

I'm not sure of the cost of a competitive e-mod, but I would think that would be a class every track should consider for a support class.

This weekend I know of at least 7 former super late drivers running a crate or e-mod. Just saying.

[dirtstudent2]

Assuming Sprints, Bigblocks and Super Lates are the top of the food chain, how would you list the following for cost of running in a support class?

 

Street stocks, Stocks or what ever you call what now looks sometimes like a latemodel, Steel block lates, crate lates, crate bigblock cars, 358 bigblock cars, emods, 4cylinders, 360 sprints, 305 sprints?

 

I'll leave out all the small replica's of regular size stuff and the odd ball categories track owners fill car racing back gates with.

 

How would you list the first group for cost to race.  Include payout and the cost to the car.

 

High to low

1.  ?

2.  ?

3.  ?

 

edit:  or at least what do you think of the list is the cheapest to run and the most expensive?  

 

Then maybe wouldn't it be great for car counts to pick a support class from the bottom of the food chain?  Something in the middle and something at the top of the food chain?

Edited by dirtstudent2, 27 May 2014 - 11:24 AM.