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[03Rocket]

If one were looking into racing a 305 sprint with no winged experience what are some good tips/ advice to follow. Don't know a whole heck of a lot about the motor or fuel injection or anything really. Just looking to be steered in the right direction as far as where to buy parts and recieve tech support at the track and what not. Probably looking to just run mercer. Any advice is welcomed thanks!

[brad hibbard]

My associates and I have been developing a economical option for the sprint car community utilizing the GM 602 crate engine.

 

The project is under the watchful eye of Bill Martens from Chevrolet Performance and is expected to be an option within many sprint car series in 2015.

 

We have currently been testing and developing the package at Mercer Raceway Park with Joe Mcewen at the controls.

 

We have completed a inspection teardown after several nights of on track competition and days of dyno testing, to insure that all internal engine components were handling the demands of methanol fuel and direct drive driveline.---all components passed easily...

 

The concept has been adopted by the MRP outlaw sprint warriors for the remainder of 2014 with a posative outlook expected for 2015.

 

More information will be posted in the coming weeks on the Race-1 website and the Pace Performance website but for now interested parties can contact:

 

Don Blackshear (Blackshear Racing Engines) 724-977-7424

Chuck Fitch (Pace Performance) 330-652-5855

Brad Hibbard (Race-1) 330-540-7223

[03Rocket]

Great info thank you for this reply

[spike]

Great info thank you for this reply

Infromercial?

Edited by spike, 12 August 2014 - 10:53 PM.

[spike]

Infromercial?

[Crusty1]

I think the 602 is a good idea for low cost racing.

My problem is you have 305 Sprints 360 Sprints and 410 Sprints.are you going to add 350 Sprints?

 

I'm sure at Mercer you can just add them to the 305, 323, and now the 350 class, where will it end?

 

I still think the racesaver rules are the best right now less French Grimes.  

If you put together a Certified Sealed 602 Crate Division like they are working on in Canada I think that would be great.

 

Mercer has good car count right now with the so called 305 class the problem is you will never get a STOCK 602 to run with one of the good 305's from Ohio or a cheated up so call 305 or the 323 with a computer change!

 

Good Luck with the 602 I would love to see it happen.

 

And yea I thought Infomercial too. 

[brad hibbard]

at this time we are not directly looking at stand alone 602 competion----some folks in the midwest are working on stand alone 602's and thats where to concept initiated but we are on the development side and are focused on ease of installation---durability, and a economical option to put cars on the track.

 

It does compete with the local 305's----our field test car has finished 2nd in the last two heat races (yes it was from the front row but was still was an accomplishment)

the package has scored top 5's and top 10's in almost every feature event.

 

so it will blend into our current local 305 situation

 

we looked at the program in Canada but elected to stay away from the aftermarket parts and keep this thing stock so that everyone can have the same engine----it will carry secondary seals in combination with the GM seal bolts

 

Our package does use traditional sprint car fuel and power steering pumps driven off the camshaft (little infomercial LOL)

[BaconBits]

I think the 602 is a good idea for low cost racing.
My problem is you have 305 Sprints 360 Sprints and 410 Sprints.are you going to add 350 Sprints?
 
I'm sure at Mercer you can just add them to the 305, 323, and now the 350 class, where will it end?
 
I still think the racesaver rules are the best right now less French Grimes.  
If you put together a Certified Sealed 602 Crate Division like they are working on in Canada I think that would be great.
 
Mercer has good car count right now with the so called 305 class the problem is you will never get a STOCK 602 to run with one of the good 305's from Ohio or a cheated up so call 305 or the 323 with a computer change!
 
Good Luck with the 602 I would love to see it happen.
 
And yea I thought Infomercial too. 

I wanna say that Oshweken is running their 602 sprint class non-wing.

[T-440]

I often wondered if the 602 would be comparable with the 305's.  Could be a good move...

[midnight toker]

given your familys history of carnage I don't think anybody with the last name ECK should even consider trying a sprint car!!

 

JMO

 

[spike]

I often wondered if the 602 would be comparable with the 305's.  Could be a good move...

Could be a bad move.  At one time the Schwanke was considered a good move.  Saturday night you should be able to attend all the race tracks running sprints with a Schwanke engine.  Unless you know of another.

[Crusty1]

I wanna say that Oshweken is running their 602 sprint class non-wing.

 

You are right it is Oshweken and what a great idea WINGLESS!!!!

Wingless with a 602 would be a great stepping stone.

[scruffy1a]

It brings me great joy to know that, along with late models, stocks, and modifieds, sprint car drivers will now have the opportunity to be serviced by Race1.  

[Crusty1]

at this time we are not directly looking at stand alone 602 competion----some folks in the midwest are working on stand alone 602's and thats where to concept initiated but we are on the development side and are focused on ease of installation---durability, and a economical option to put cars on the track.

 

It does compete with the local 305's----our field test car has finished 2nd in the last two heat races (yes it was from the front row but was still was an accomplishment)

the package has scored top 5's and top 10's in almost every feature event.

 

so it will blend into our current local 305 situation

 

we looked at the program in Canada but elected to stay away from the aftermarket parts and keep this thing stock so that everyone can have the same engine----it will carry secondary seals in combination with the GM seal bolts

 

Our package does use traditional sprint car fuel and power steering pumps driven off the camshaft (little infomercial LOL)

Brad I think Oshweken is all stock,

I think they mentioned they had to do something on the end of cam to run the fuel and power steering pump but that was it.

[Crusty1]

Could be a bad move.  At one time the Schwanke was considered a good move.  Saturday night you should be able to attend all the race tracks running sprints with a Schwanke engine.  Unless you know of another.

 

The Schwanke was never a good move especially for a Sprint car.

Electronic engine in a Sprint - No - They also can't be moved to another race car.

The 602 can go to the RUSH Series, Fastrac, Asphalt Mods, Street Stock.......

Edited by Crusty1, 13 August 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[spike]

 

The Schwanke was never a good move especially for a Sprint car.

Electronic engine in a Sprint - No - They also can't be moved to another race car.

The 602 can go to the RUSH Series, Fastrac, Asphalt Mods, Street Stock.......

Thank you for that.  Never liked to see new people stuck with wings, motors, etc. that they couldn't sell. 

Edited by spike, 13 August 2014 - 05:19 PM.

[brad hibbard]

Brad I think Oshweken is all stock,

I think they mentioned they had to do something on the end of cam to run the fuel and power steering pump but that was it.

The folks at Oshwekem are  disassembling the 602 to drill and tap the cam ---they are replacing the stock 602 timing components with aftermarket and replacing the oil pan with aftermarket.

 

we have designed a device to machine the camshaft in the engine WITHOUT disassembly or breaking any GM seals---we do NOT change any internal parts what so ever-----the 8 inch oil pan on a 602 will not work in 99% of traditional sprint car applications--so we do change the pan BUT rather than looking to the aftermarket we have used the pan from her sister engine the 604, keeping the package 100% GM sealed crate that anyone can own witout deviation

 

Brad

Edited by brad hibbard, 14 August 2014 - 10:18 AM.

[Crusty1]

The folks at Oshwekem are  disassembling the 602 to drill and tap the cam ---they are replacing the stock 602 timing componnts with aftermarket and replacing the oil pan with aftermarket.

 

we have designed a device to machine the camshaft in the engine WITHOUT disassembly or breaking any GM seals---we do NOT change any internal parts what so ever-----the 8 inch oil pan on a 602 will not work in 99% of traditional sprint car applications--so we do change the pan BUT rather than looking to the aftermarket we have used the pan from her sister engine the 604, keeping the package 100% GM sealed crate that anyone can own witout deviasion

 

Brad

That's great I hope it works.

The 604 is also a good option, a lot less $'s than a good 305 !

[brad hibbard]

That's great I hope it works.

The 604 is also a good option, a lot less $'s than a good 305 !

we are working with some tracks in north west part of the country using the 604

 

the 604 used as a blend engine with our current field of 305's would exceed their power capabilities making it a stand out

the 602 has very similar power ranges as local 305's and will compete within the field

 

I like the 604 as well Crusty but we have to keep the power numbers in line for good competion.

 

Brad

[bill49]

The 604 is an interesting option that I would certainly consider for our car next year.The Schwanke is an electronic nightmare that has caused nothing but trouble for us in our first year in the sprints  we will need a new motor next year and this looks like a pretty good option.The downside is the lack of tech inspecting going on ,,will the 604 engine combo actually be competitive next year