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[Racer17L]

"Hmmmmm sounds just about like what I said to begin with . 300 to start isn't going to make guys race when their engine is ready for a 9k rebuild and the 300 probably barely covers a pit pass and a right rear tire"

So yes your argument is you shouldn't race if the motor is close to a rebuild and/or $300 barely covers a RR and a pit pass!!!!

[flash49]

Hey Leg, I'm a race fan, I really enjoyed the races last night, I don't need 40 cars in every division to make a good show.   I never said the stands were packed, but they had a very nice crowd, one of the biggest of the year.  Carl Bowser and Brandon Matus were two by two coming to the flag stand for many laps during the feature, Bowser on the high side and Matus down low; if that type of racing doesn't get you on the edge of your seat,  then you're not much of a fan.   Steve Baker was on Mike Johnson's tail most of the Late Model feature, and Lynn Geisler, Ben Miley, and Alex Ferree put on a great show for the third spot.  Crate race was also very exciting with Justin Lamb, Tommy Schirnhofer, and Alan Dellinger waging a great battle for the lead.   Bill Robertson was all over Nick Kocuba for the last several laps of the Sportsman featire before Nick went on for the win.  I don't know what more some of you people want.  The problem with too many folks nowadays is all you want to do is complain.   And Sparkle, I'm a race fan, I go to an occasional Pirate game, but you get ripped off from the moment you walk into the stadium.  I never feel ripped off at a race track.  End of story.

[flash49]

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Edited by flash49, 31 August 2014 - 03:47 PM.

[The Legend]

Here's today triva question ... If your Vince and your sitting in the stands ... You have 20/20 vision and there is 9 sprint cars going around a half mile track exactly how many of them can you see ??!

[The Legend]

The answer is zero .... Because the big mans stones are hanging in your eyes lol lol lol

[Racer17L]

Jon I really think you should promote. You could do $1000 to start races so every operating expense is covered, have a bone dry slick surface so no equipment gets torn up, race 4 times a year to save everyone's equipment, and instead of the lucky dog award you can offer the Hodgkiss award for the first LM down a lap at a caution or a special bonus at the end of the race! You and your hero Kennedy could rule the world lol!!!

Edited by Racer17L, 31 August 2014 - 04:59 PM.

[The Legend]

Vince I really think you should go to costco and buy a few gallons of listerine first .... And then google search for a set of high quality gel filled knee pads. Then buy a late model with an open motor and come race it at ppms on CLEAN 1600's.... There's not many sets of those out there but I can assure mine are and show me how it's done. Oh yeah and only race a couple times a year and don't start till the end when everyone else has gotten dialed in all year and show me how it's done .....

[dirtstudent2]

Since this thread has turned to a discussion of cost, here's an idea.  It's just an idea and I do not have a clue what it takes money wise for a track to put on a show.  Would it put cars through the gate, to put on a show.

 

Would this draw cars to race and in turn fans, to see a short good show?  I'll assume if cars and fans show up, the promoter will make money.  

 

1st--------------   $1000

2nd--------------- $600

3rd through 20- $300

 

Total purse $7000

 

Tow money $150, no 'B' mains, qualify out of the heats or load up.  If the purse, tow and lower car cost draw cars, there will be enough heat races where the fans will not need to see a 'B' main.  

 

$7000-($25X60 pit pass sales for driver and two crew= $1500)= $5500

 

$5500-(459 fans @ $12)= 0

 

Pay the same for 3 other classes, means the purse is  paid when 1800 fans go through the gate.@ $12 a ticket.  That leaves other expenses and profit to come from additional people in the pits, selling advertising,  concessions and putting more then 1800 fans through the front gate.

 

Run 602; sprints, late models, big modifies and super stocks, all on open tires, with weight rules designed towards including all size drivers and to reduce the need for light weight parts.  Yes money will be thrown at open tires and prep, but will it be more then is already being spent on tires to win?

 

edit:  $150 tow- (3 driver and crew at $25 or $75), leaves $75 for drinks and eats at the track or on the way home.  Winning and a little feel good if you don't, are all a racers interested in, in the first place and why they race.

Edited by dirtstudent2, 01 September 2014 - 10:09 AM.

[Hot Dog]

Since this thread has turned to a discussion of cost, here's an idea.  It's just an idea and I do not have a clue what it takes money wise for a track to put on a show.  Would it put cars through the gate, to put on a show.
 
Would this draw cars to race and in turn fans, to see a short good show?  I'll assume if cars and fans show up, the promoter will make money.  
 
1st--------------   $1000
2nd--------------- $600
3rd through 20- $300
 
Total purse $7000
 
Tow money $150, no 'B' mains, qualify out of the heats or load up.  If the purse, tow and lower car cost draw cars, there will be enough heat races where the fans will not need to see a 'B' main.  
 
$7000-($25X60 pit pass sales for driver and two crew= $1500)= $5500
 
$5500-(459 fans @ $12)= 0
 
Pay the same for 3 other classes, means the purse is  paid when 1800 fans go through the gate.@ $12 a ticket.  That leaves other expenses and profit to come from additional people in the pits, selling advertising,  concessions and putting more then 1800 fans through the front gate.
 
Run 602; sprints, late models, big modifies and super stocks, all on open tires, with weight rules designed towards including all size drivers and to reduce the need for light weight parts.  Yes money will be thrown at open tires and prep, but will it be more then is already being spent on tires to win?

That's worse than most tracks standard payout for one thing. Secondly that's an example of our countries pathetic everybody gets a trophy mentality. Nobody loses and everyone is a winner. Let's not even keep track of who is running in which position and pat everyone on the back for going out, no matter how slow or what pile of scrap they drag out there.

[The Legend]

Hot dog the sprint show before this one pulled 18 or so cars but only like 9 were mechanically able to run a heat race lol lol. That what high starting numbers gets you ... Guys coming to make a few laps and pull in

[BUTTBEAK]

Almost everyone races  to win, period.

[Racer17L]

^ agreed 100%

[Miley Motor Sports]

The Revolution has begun! Renegade Sprints invade Pittsburgh's Pennsylvania Motor Speedway Sat Sept 27 for their inaugural PPMS event...stay tuned for the details.

Not since the days of the All Stars under the direction of Bert Emick has there been a Sprint Show at Pittsburgh's Pennsylvania Motor Speedway LIKE THE Renegade Show scheduled September 27, 2014!

Tim Shaffer, the Steel City Outlaw, will be driving a sprinter & a Crate Late!...mark your calendars for Sept 27!

Pittsburgher Sept 13 & 14...take a breath...then Renegade Sprints Sat Sept 27!

[Miley Motor Sports]

Drivers signing on daily, both Renegades and local teams...Sprint teams, please notify us at ppms@ppms.com if you plan on attending. Please include sponsors and team history if you wish and we will share with the fans...this has the feeling of some awesome Sprint Racing at Pittsburgh's Pennsylvania Motor Speedway...the fastest cars at one of the fastest, smoothest, widest dirt tracks in the country...don't miss it! Sept 27!

[The Legend]

I might actually come watch this if I'm not racing anywhere ... Seeing 10 or 15 dudes with stones like holtgraver racing each other instead of lapped traffic should be a hell of a site .

[T-440]

PPMS might pick up some teams from Port Royal that wouldn't have gone to Lincoln anyway that night.  Wouldn't mind seeing this show at PPMS myself. 

[BaconBits]

I might actually come watch this if I'm not racing anywhere ... Seeing 10 or 15 dudes with stones like holtgraver racing each other instead of lapped traffic should be a hell of a site .

 

PPMS is pretty close and easy enough to get to for most of the Ohio runners that will be running this Renegade series. I would think they should have a pretty solid car count for this race.

[bhhracing]

Everyone thought that for this past week also and it was the lowest ive ever seen at a race track.

[BaconBits]

Everyone thought that for this past week also and it was the lowest ive ever seen at a race track.

 

 

Sanctions make a world of difference when it comes to special shows, especially at a track that doesn't regularly run the class that the special is.

[Quarterson-Lutz racing]

Well i just said like 4 days ago it was my first time at the track and i liked the facility and track had a lot of potential but i wouldn't go back unless there was a big show and i knew it would have  higher car counts, I know for sure there will be more then 10 sprints there for this, so I might have to go back in 3 weeks lol.  but they might wan't to cut a class or 2 and have another class as a special to , so they can have good car counts all night not just in the sprints.