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[dylchris]

Most local aluminum block cars are able to be purchased race ready for 25 to 30K as well.  Actually many would feel like they hit the lottery if they got that.  The onlly teams runnming the 100K outfits for the most part are the top tire Regional teams adn the traveling pros. I will clear this up alittle, the only difference betwen our local aluminum cars and our local steel block cars are the compositionof the block.  Actually the third or fourth place car at dog hollow offerd to sell his 2013 Rocket race ready for 35K with the one seasonold engine on Saturday.

[The Legend]

I will agree with that , I took it you were saying a hummingbird steel block is identical to what guys like Alex Feree are running minus the block.

[BaconBits]

One stock class too many. Other than that, it seems like it should be a decent program. I don't understand why the super late model added weight thing is such an issue. The chances of getting any more then 2 or 3 supers is extremely slim. The place was always a steel block track, and he's keeping with that.

[Toolbox3]

I know a few guys race ready with older cars with alum engines that don't have the money or big horsepower that will gladly run now with the rules! The car count will be their!

[Racer17L]

Jon how do guys go from a $30K SLM locally to something Owens runs at $100K? Is it all motor and shock packages?

[The Legend]

RY 45 engine 52k, club 29 roller with shocks and spring 35k, oiling system with pumps hoses as tank 5200, headers 2600, tranny and bell and driveshaft 3k , wheels and tires 1500 , plus other miscellaneous shit .... Seems like 100k+ to me. Local supers have more than 30 in their car , he's talking the low buck supers. Motors didnt use to be that expensive but the RYR components are a 10k extra over d3 ultra pro heads and dart block fords normally use

[The Legend]

I would note the car Owens flipped at Knoxville had the regular d3 ford engine not the ry45 he ran at eldora and Knoxville is known to be balls to the wall fast so he must have felt the D3 was stronger

[suhoney18]

The real issue in the whole topic is the fact that the guy is trying to unbury a racetrack and reopen it so guys in that area have another option, and all SuHoney can find to post on this subject is his concern for the 2400# enforcement. Classic! If i was Bo Id ban him immediately from ever attending an event. The guys gonna bitch either way, so make him do it from home.

you're so witty and awesome with words...I wish I can be just like you someday...

[race ace]

i have a set of rules made up to combine older streetstocks in with the purestocks with a weight rule in place since nobody was drawing a full field of cars except marion center maybe think of doing something like this, and no it is not for me because i work fridays, just a suggesation on how to combine the two classes and not have 8 cars per class.

[Latemodeldirt]

They did not get lots of cars at all average was like 14 just like ppms but I hope it works out but I have my doubts. I hope they run Fridays if they want any chance to succeed.

[thewick2w]

I don't understand where this shit of they had 8 cars in the stocks only street stocks struggled most nights the pure stocks had 12 or more then after amp closed they had almost 20 streets and why we bitching now let the track open and see how stuff works give the guy a chance this is what's wrong with the sport everybody wants things there way shit the hell up you don't own it or run it you watch it or drive it can't we just be happy it is alive and support it only thing fans and drivers ever should be complaining about is tech just make sure everyone is following the rules

[RacingIn]

Bo, feel free to check out the very old and outdated profile page for Thunder Mountain at RacingIn.  It was long ago kept updated by Deon Beane, but obviously not since 2010... still has some interesting pictures on it though of some past winners.  You can find it at this link. 

 

To take control of the profile, just click the link under Seating Capacity, create a profile, and we'll give you control of it and then you can make it what you want.  Some tracks with very limited resources actually use our profile pages as their base websites, but regardless, you can link it out to anywhere you want to and it's totally free.  The site's not perfect and some have called us crazy to make this whole site free, but for tracks without a lot of resources, we created it so you could have one more touch point and it's been growing pretty fast.  (890,000 visits in the past 12 months... up 40% over last year)

 

Our 'Race Dates' page is actually the most visited on the site.  Any track can post their race dates and we then send them out across facebook and email to well over 40,000 race fans every week.

 

Best of luck getting that heavy equipment in there.. I always love it when I see a track coming back from the past.

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 

 

[race ace]

I don't understand where this shit of they had 8 cars in the stocks only street stocks struggled most nights the pure stocks had 12 or more then after amp closed they had almost 20 streets and why we bitching now let the track open and see how stuff works give the guy a chance this is what's wrong with the sport everybody wants things there way shit the hell up you don't own it or run it you watch it or drive it can't we just be happy it is alive and support it only thing fans and drivers ever should be complaining about is tech just make sure everyone is following the rules

Did you even see the part of the post that says i cant race friday nights due to work or do you just bitch at me for sake of bitching ? you have to build rules for cars that you have in the area and right now ,there are a lot more cars sitting parked because some track  owner who has no idea what a bert transmission or a  roller cam costs  got a phone call to change the rules so the fatcats could come there with their 10 thousand dollar engines and new chasis  with a spring bar set up could run all over the small guys . after a while the small guys said f#ckit and parked their cars , you are making rules to get 8 cars and there is 20 cars sitting in garages . plus these rules i have were like a modified set of little guys national rules so anyone could race in a stock class. more along the lines of a.m.p semi late class except using a older streetstock chasis  or purestock chasis  with different weight packages depending on what you are running .remember this post when you are racing against 5 other cars , and then remember i told you so . it seems to me that thunder mountain could not draw a full class of streetstocks or pure stocks last time around . this is my last post on this subject but look at all the streetstocks /purestocks for sale on pennswoods or racing junk if it is not a brand new car you can not give it away .this is my last post on this subject i don't care either way .

[chance2]

Thank you for calling it quits! One whiner done!!

[Dingo]

Is there an Email address or Mail address where I can contact the Promoters at Thunder Mountain? Please PM me or email me at PAVDMA@hotmail.com.

 

Thanks,

 

Dingo

[fordblueoval]

He is on facebook.

[Express Man]

No Jon, what I am saying is that the drivers built the steel block cars in this area because the rules for this area were steel block and 2400 pounds.  In the steel block cars there are chassis's that are two years old and less, there are many running the various shock packages some with a shock person on board, there are 9 degree, 13 degree and a quite a few with 18 degree engine packages, and not all aluminum cars are the same as Bloomquist or Owens either.

With all due respect.....if you can afford a 9 degree,13 degree, or SB2 top end....Why would you put it on a steel block!  Same with the shocks.  If you can afford a 5k shock package....why not spend that money on a block you can use for 10 years if you don't blow it up too many times???  I will agree the performance on the dyno is the same!  But that is where it stops! That extra 90 lbs on the front is devastating to a chassis!  You even addmit putting an extra 50 lbs on the front is a problem to balance out!  And...if these steel block cars put on the same show the Aluminum engine cars do...Why should they run for less????  Back in the day when you could find a 400 block  it was cheaper!  Today...you spend allmost as much for an aftermarket steel block as you do for aluminum!  I personally haven't had a steel block since the 80's!  And as many used aluminum as thier are around,, everyone should have one!  I don't understand your fasination with these cast iron blocks!  I know you could afford as many aluminum blocks as you would care to buy!  Is this like a "Cult Thing" up that way???  Like the Ford racers back in the day!  The poor backwoods Ford racers that had that 427 cross bolt main stored in a pop cooler out in the barn since they took it out of the family Country Squire woody wagon!  Come on Scott...time to put these cast iron cowboys to bed!  Even the 525 crate motor is alluminum!  And starts out at about $7200.00 dollars!(Before all the add ons).  Maybe we should bring back a a class for all the old Martz and Chamberlain cars in the area and run those steel big blocks again like we did in the 70's!  Maybe all that extra weight in the front of those steel block cars accounts for some bad handling that causes these steel block guys to run into each other so much????  Steel block is a thing of the past!  You need to make the rules for the current day guys and ALLOW the steel blocks to join in tilll they get enough money for a new modern day engine block!  No personal disrespect....Just the way I see it!

[The Legend]

Express every iron block in the area is running the newest ultra pro machine 9 degree casting with all titanium valves and connecting rods , along with jesel key way lifters , windberg cranks , jesel belt drives , crane optical pickup zero cross distributors and custom tuned inconnel headers headers all in a 509 400 block converted to a 4 bolt lol lol and they turn them 8600 and they last 10 seasons !!

[The Legend]

Express I will admit that post right there is the first one you had to make
Me laugh since you asking 45k for a used gale Powley 460 4.4 bore spacing sb2 lol

[dylchris]

Expressman; I have not had an optimum steel block for 4 years, we have two aluminum blocks and three semi motors.  I am however, building two steel block engines for this season. The rules at the tracks in our area are steel block.  I want to race where our family can enjoy it as a group and for that to happen we need to be able to race the Mountain and the Bird. The extra weight is difficult to overcome; I have never been able to get the steel cars under 2380 and that was with a lot of light weight suspension. The rules dictate iron blocks.