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[Skull]

Emods were a good idea back when they started with the 500 dollar claim rule .... Then dudes who could afford late models bought emods and that all changed .

Your second sentence also applies to Crate LM's. I said as much when they first showed up here and got ridiculed for it. Meantime, now we have yet another fractured support class around here that doesn't draw any interest other than friends and family.

[racin fool]

Absolutely ! Now the 2 bbl mods are here, and there are tracks that are already letting them get out of hand! The only way to keep cost down is with a claim rule, go on and put big bucks in your motor, have it claimed and then you can spend more money on a new one.......

Edited by racin fool, 16 October 2014 - 11:12 AM.

[BaconBits]

Emods were a good idea back when they started with the 500 dollar claim rule .... Then dudes who could afford late models bought emods and that all changed .

The problem with claim rules is that they don't work. There ends up being a gentleman's agreement to not claim anybody else's stuff. Even IMCA engines are costing 20k+ anymore, so they created a crate option and added a spoiler and weight break for crate powered cars.

Edited by BaconBits, 16 October 2014 - 01:23 PM.

[The Legend]

There was a lot of claiming in the beginning until people complained they wanted more and more expensive stuff. If the track would randomly claim an engine on random nights it would eliminate the " gentlemens " agreement . If a class is intended for racing on a budget they need to enforce what keeps it a budget class

[BaconBits]

There was a lot of claiming in the beginning until people complained they wanted more and more expensive stuff. If the track would randomly claim an engine on random nights it would eliminate the " gentlemens " agreement . If a class is intended for racing on a budget they need to enforce what keeps it a budget class

I agree that tracks should claim engines to keep agreements from happening. I'm sure they could make their money back by putting it on racingjunk or something.

I also think tracks that run crates should have a couple on hand to lend to teams while they send the team's motor out to get teched. It would keep crates from being cheated up.

[The Legend]

The claim was 500 and didnt include the intake or any bolt ons , in those days people used the cheapest components possible because they knew it would be claimed. And hard narrow tires and cheap shocks kept driving at a premium . Once the started allowing expensive shocks , grooving and siping power became important and claiming engines went out the window and costs sky rocketed

[tin man]

That and that promoters on the eastern end think these cars are entry level cars with a payout to match.

[RocketChassis#1]

That and that promoters on the eastern end think these cars are entry level cars with a payout to match.

Well that's what they were intended to be, a cheap affordable class for just starting out, or guys that didn't have a lot of money. And that looked different that a Late Model

[modifiedmomma1]

That was twenty years ago believe it or not, and who would of thought late models would have 50,000.00 motors.

[RocketChassis#1]

I-79 and PPMS were among the first couple of tracks to have the class back in the early 90's and went by the UMP rules early on. And when they had the claim rule thing seemed to be in check. Then like Huck says the claim rule vanished and more and more was spent on engines and such and now like every other economy class its out of control. I remember being at I-79 a few years afer the class was started and they had an AMRA race and they cars that raced in the Ohio Valley/Zanesville OH area rolled in and guys came in with their cars in toter homes and engines built by the top names in the Super Late Model world, while the local I-79 cars all came in on open trailers. I knew that day the class was done as we knew it.

[RocketChassis#1]

That was twenty years ago believe it or not, and who would of thought late models would have 50,000.00 motors.

True, but I don't see the Late Models being around much longer if something isn't done about them.

[modifiedmomma1]

Your correct but what class isn't out of hand ? The mods are still a promotors dream as a second class at most big shows. 112 mods at Eldora and close to 90 at the DTWC tonight. Yes they are not cheap but we have fun and we lost a little of that with the lates.

[LM RACING]

When the cost outweighs the fun you gotta look at it and ask yourself if its worth it. Like legend says it is a hobby for 98% of racers. Think of how many racers through the years have lost their homes and families because they spent the mortgage to race Saturday night. An average super late costs about $50,000 to put on the track. Then you race saturday nite for $1000-1500. You cant do that unless you have enough money that you need to throw it away. Legend has his priorities in line and can only race a few times a year without interfering with work. But on the other side of that he has little seat time through the season which puts him behind as soon as he pulls into the track. But I bet win or lose he has fun and that is what its all about.

[3 link]

I'm a hobby racer for sure.....quit the IMCA mods when bird cages and more horse power came along and IMCA changed the claim to match......

I think the IMCA northern sport mod rules are good for a hobby guy with the 602 motor.....

Couple good tech guys can keep them in line.....the 6200 chip is the key......

I watch the rush tech guys every race  and they been teching our car regularly since aug. and they do a pretty good job....it can be done......

 

Hobby racers can afford a 602/northern sport mod rules type car......if they'd have those type rules I'd be racing again......

I heard rumors of McKean dropping the e-mods for a crate e-mod class.....if they do.....I could afford one.......

[Racer17L]

Would love to see a crate emod class as well!