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[greaseball]

If they combine the Streetstocks & Purestocks are they going to combine the PURSE ?

Wow  $ 550.00 to win in the new Purestreetstocks

They would be running B mains every night.

[714d]

If they combine the Streetstocks & Purestocks are they going to combine the PURSE ?
Wow  $ 550.00 to win in the new Purestreetstocks
They would be running B mains every night.

While I agree that would be fantastic, remember they also added the limited late class. Combining the stocks would take them back to the original number of classes.

[thebigdueceduece]

OK so you have how many that CAN actually move up..very few. That's my point

[chance2]

That point was already made.  They still don't belong in a "Stock" car.  And no one said that the officials were to blame.  The reason we get out so late is because there are people in the Limited Latemodel class that don't belong there (Either under powered or not enough experience.)  You have people like Dylan Fenton that have very limited experience in a race car trying to learn in the top class at the track.  I give him a lot of credit.  He's better than he was, but he's still not experienced enough to run up there.  the semi-lates will help him and other people in his situation.
 
The Track officials could take action in helping move everything along quicker.  They could run the track more like Lernerville.  3 cautions and you're parked for the night.  Either hire a better safety crew or train the guys you have now.  There are more caution laps ran at that track than green flag laps.  I was at a race at the end of last year.  watched Dylan fenton and Babcock get into a wreck.  it took the safety crew 2 min to get them.  then they red flagged the field and it still took 5 minutes to get the 2 cars off the track.  And if I'm not mistaken, babcocks car was only moved to the infield.  So there is room for improvement for the track officials and safety crew.

They do have the 3 spin rule in feature and 2 in heats. I know the 45 used it the first couple weeks. The problem with the cautions is you have guys trying to compete with either bad or ill handling cars and lack of skill or experience. I tried to help a driver (one of the problem cars) and get his car in the right direction, but He didn't want my help. Another driver came and asked for help and his car is now a lot more drivable, and he's not bringing out cautions anymore! Hopefully this new class will allow us in the SBLM put on a better faster show

Edited by chance2, 13 December 2015 - 02:08 PM.

[BRC27]

You're delusional if you think the Purestocks are running legal. The 55 only put a new motor and trans in it.  Floaters are legal and pretty sure Winslow ran the same shocks at amp.  Hummingbird may have teched once in a while but they obviously didn't know what they were looking for or what they were doing.  A triple disc, one of the easiest things to see was blatenly overlooked!  tech man saw the flex plate, and said he's good.  sent the driver on his way.  I was told that they pumped Challingsworth and he only pumped 289!!!  No way in hell he only pumped 289 the tech man doesn't know how to use his tools.  Had a friend show up last year with a 4bbl carb and was told to start on the rear and don't win.  but that was it!  So if you think cars are legal you're high. Eric Lucas 8L along with a few others were running over rail headers.  don't believe me look at the track pics they weren't trying to hide it.

Edited by BRC27, 14 December 2015 - 07:54 AM.

[thebigdueceduece]

OK...but if the 55 ONLY put in a new motor and trans than what would that cost?? I bet More than these guys cars are worth. I feel your delusional if you think any of these cars or drivers could be competitive without spending more money than their cars are even worth race ready as they stand right now. And this is where I think you'll lose the drivers. Can't afford to move up on motor.

Edited by thebigdueceduece, 14 December 2015 - 10:47 AM.

[ramsey31]

Combining the stocks means 1 thing, the pure stock drivers will be forced to build Street stock cars.    Don't think for once that street stock guys will go backwards and meet in the middle.    Stock casting heads?  Roller valve trains?  Aluminum high rise intake? MSD Boxes?  10" tires and wheels?  4 barrel carb?  heim end shocks?    Does anyone serious think they will tell the street stock cars they are gonna have to start pulling parts and run stamped rockers?

 

Nope.  As long as the "basic" street stock rules across the area allow these things,  there is no way the classes will be mated without the pure stock drivers building street stocks.

[BRC27]

I bumped up to street stock from purestock and all it cost was the price of heads, cam and pistons.  Look at guys like Emory Rinehart.  He's competitive with a stock bore 350 that he pulled from Novey's.  No where in the rules does it say that you need to run a 406 to compete.  look at his car sometime.  There's absolutely nothing special about it.  no weight jacks or anything.  still has stock floorboards and full fire walls which is more than I can say for most of the pure stocks.  the only thing he is doing is running outboard shocks up front.  But I guarantee you that he would be a consistent top 5 car up there if he had tires.

 

The only reason a merger wouldn't work is because people are too afraid to move up spend the effort.  Not the money.  I'll agree money is hard to compete with.  It's easier to go out and buy a set up or horsepower than it is to figure it out with what you have.  But that's what I have done, and haven't done too bad.  Some nights we hit it spot on others we look terrible but that's what it takes when you don't have 5 different set ups.  would I like to build a hammer?....hell yeah, but Im not in the positions to do that right now.  I'll get some seat time, improve my skills and my car's set up and give her hell.

[ramsey31]

What I am saying is rather than paint a pretty title of "combining stocks"   why not just say, "we are going to do away with the pure stocks."     Merging the two classes means going backward on 1 class, and forward with another to create a "hybrid" class.    Since this wont happen, just do away with the pure stock class, and make them build street stocks, since ultimately this is what will happen.

[interceptor10]

All this talk of combined PS and Ss class is silly, it's already been done, they're called emods and they weren't overly popular in the area when they started

[714d]

What I am saying is rather than paint a pretty title of "combining stocks"   why not just say, "we are going to do away with the pure stocks."     Merging the two classes means going backward on 1 class, and forward with another to create a "hybrid" class.    Since this wont happen, just do away with the pure stock class, and make them build street stocks, since ultimately this is what will happen.

I completely agree that this is what they are essentially doing, but they probably don't want to put it in writing that way because they would look stupid dropping the class that got more cars and got paid a smaller purse to keep a class that they couldn't even get 10 cars most nights. Only 3 or 4 ran the full season.

[interceptor10]

Where's any of this coming from any way? Website has the SS rules posted and PS being ironed out, nothing about combined classes.

[faster1]

All this talk of combined PS and Ss class is silly, it's already been done, they're called emods and they weren't overly popular in the area when they started

apparently you have never actually looked at an emod if you think they are a combination of a pure and a ss.  same 4 bar rear suspension as a late model and more motor than 99% of the steel blocks have.

[interceptor10]

apparently you have never actually looked at an emod if you think they are a combination of a pure and a ss.  same 4 bar rear suspension as a late model and more motor than 99% of the steel blocks have.

[interceptor10]

I'm aware of what an emod is,just saying rather than combine, it would be a class where guys from both classes could take a lot of their parts and get started.

[BRC27]

This is all coming from a conversation I had with Peach and also some other local drivers pushing for change.  Peach said that they are going to eventually combine the classes but they were going to ease into it.  I was told that they were playing with the idea of allowing weight jacks in the PS class.  I assume that they will probably start allowing Berts as well since it's cheaper to run than a triple disc.  So if you read between the lines, it looks like they are building the PS class up to the streets with the hope that you will be able to have 1 class of 15 cars instead of 2 classes of 8

[714d]

.  I assume

Well there ya go

[BRC27]

great job at taking a small portion of my post out of context.

 

Peach said himself that they were planning on allowing weight jacks and that there would be other changes to the PS's.  I just assume that they will allow berts since it was brought up by someone from the Rules committee that Bert's are cheaper.

 

Peach also said that "It's obvious that the Stocks need combined, but we're going to try to ease into it."

[grt0404]

BRC27 ARE YOU SAYING THE 55 WAS NOT LEGAL AS A PURE STOCK? THE CAR WAS BUILT TO THE RULES THAT WERE IN PLACE. IT TAKES MORE THAN A CAR TO WIN RACES. HARD WORK IN THE GARAGE, KNOWING EVERY INCH OF THE CAR FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, WEEKLEY MAINTAINCE AND EVERY ONE ON THE CREW DOING THEIR JOB WINS RACES. ALSO YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE MOTOR AND TRANNY COST, AND IT WAS NOT MORE THAN THE CAR COST. WE AS A TEAM TAKE PRIDE IN BRINGING A GREAT LOOKING AND LEGAL CAR TO WHAT EVER TRACK WE RACE AT. OUR SPONSORS DESERVE TO BE REPRESENTED IN THE BEST WAY WE CAN , RUNNING LEGAL FROM THE FIRST RACE TO THE LAST AND WE TAKE PRIDE IN DOING SO. IT TAKES A TOTAL TEAM EFFORT FROM CREW TO DRIVER AND MANY LONG HOURS TO PUT A QUALITY CAR ON THE TRACK EACH WEEK.

[BRC27]

I never said that the 55 wasn't running legal at AMP.  I know what the rules were there and I competed against the 55 at AMP.  Also I am not the one who said that the motor and trans cost more than the car.  Actually I was using the 55 as an example of a successful car that made the jump from Pure Stock to Street Stock and didn't have to spend an arm and a leg to do so.  So before you get all defensive, how about you read through the forum and see who said what.

 

My argument is that the current Pure Stocks that are running now, are not as far away from street stocks as people think.  It wont take as much as people believe it will to make them Street Stocks especially those cars that ran at AMP and marion center.