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[dirtstudent2]

Answer the following by who would profit most, the racer or a promoter.

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Remove all rules on what you can do to tires and mandate a tire brand?

 

Remove all rules on what you can do to tires and mandate a tire brand and compound?

 

Use any tire and ban alterations?

 

Open tires?

 

My answer for what would be most affordable for most racers is "Remove all rules on what you can do to tires and mandate a tire brand?".  

 

The only reason to ban prepping is so the life of the tire is not extended and racers will have to spend more money on tires.  Sure it's going to cost more initially for those who can afford it, but there will be more used competitive tires available for racers who are not on an unlimited budget.  There are two ways to prep tires.  One brings the tire in for a specific night of racing and renders the tire useless afterwords.  The second is to make the tire into a specific use tire and it will pretty much stay that way through out the life of the tire.  Those tires will what knowledgeable less funded racers will purchase.

 

I think Bacon Bits is right on when he explained that softening is not all what tire prepping is about.  

 

Tire prepping is just one part of equipment setup, driver preference, available hp and track conditions.  It's a very complex thing to understand and be able to put all five of those items together and make your equipment perform as needed.  The rest is about the ability of driver and crew to read the root cause of on track problems and be able to find the correct fix using four of the five variables.

[dirtstudent2]

Dude you have no fuking clue how serious bracket racers take their shit ... They don't just go out for a Dick off day at the track

 

I wrote nothing at all about how serious bracket racers or anyone else takes racing.

 

edit:  Sorry with the middle paragraph I was being sarcastic leading into my last paragraph.  In the last paragraph I made a comparison between fans in the stands and the type of racing show being put on by the promoter.

 

I've been to both a bracket racing show and a big open drag racing show.  From what I've seen the stands are about empty for bracket racing shows, compared to an open drag racing show.  

 

Other then a drag racing show with big stuff, the most exciting show I saw was an 1/8 mile full blown open fuel, stock looking car drag race, at Macon GA.  It was an 1/8 mile track with bets being taken both from inside the spectator fence and within the stands.

 

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You would be given a time and you could bet high or low against it.  The racers and fans were totally serious bracket racers.  They knew the cars and the drivers better then you'd find at a horse track.  

 

And yes in my years I've spent time at a horse track too, making the drive to Waterford every day for over a year.  And please don't read into this I'm saying I know about horses, I don't and the reason I quit after over a year is because I didn't.  I use to be able to and did cash my paycheck downstairs at Waterford, without needing to show an ID.

Edited by dirtstudent2, 17 January 2016 - 12:39 PM.

[jo73]

I will tell you the funniest thing about all of this. FEW, AND I MEAN DAM FEW. Prep tires according to track conditions come feature time.

I have seen Bloomquist on more than one occasion come hi tailing into the pits to change a tire. And, he is by far not the only one that does it.

The first thing a driver will say after climbing out of his car. Sprint cars, right and more often than some understand the left rear. The fronts there along for the ride. A SLM, because these guys run more laps in a race than anyone on dirt. These guys tire wise gotta have there shit together at all 4 corners. THERE ARE DAM FEW THAT GET THIS RIGHT ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. I would say, in my opion, that's probably the first thing they would say that caused them not to advance.

So. These guys soaking tires. Wrong compound, wrong grooves, wrong sipping. Wrong air pressure. I'm not sure if it really matters. Local guys, more probably get lucky on a guess. Anyone ever look in the trailers and see the racks of tires most traveling teams have. JMO.

[ramsey31]

I was at a race in Tennessee a few years back, and they used a pump-around system from a tank mounted tank.   All cars were ordered to the line, the truck would pump out each cars fuel recording how many gallons and the driver signed off that he/she agreed.  Once all cars were pumped out, and the fuel was mixed, it was repumped back into each car based on the gallons signed for.

 

This was in the days before oxygenated fuels, etc    When everyone was runny Cam2/Turbo Blue.       

 

 

As for Bloomquist, that is a long used tactic that he has used.   I watched him at Pennsboro stop at the top of turn 4 on the first lap, go direct to the pits, change the rr, and tail the field.

Edited by ramsey31, 21 January 2016 - 03:10 PM.

[dirtstudent2]

"Once all cars were pumped out, and the fuel was mixed, it was repumped back into each car based on the gallons signed for."

 

That will only work if track fuel is used to replace what is pumped out and what is pumped out is not shared.  The reason for it is fuel being pumped out of a car can contaminate the fuel supply for all the other cars.  And then you have the engine of the car which contaminated the fuel supply, setup to be the only car on the track able to run with the fuel.  Depending on what is used to contaminate the fuel, the other cars engines will not run as well or may melt down.

 

It use to be common kart racing to have a pump around.  It stopped being used mainly because pump around fuel did become contaminated and too costly to be constantly replaced.

[BRC27]

I'm not sure the pump around system would work locally. A few guys running alky some running E85 and most running 114.