People are saying this board is dead, so let's discuss! What are your thoughts on Wrapping tires? Anyone have any tips/tricks they're willing to share? Should this be outlawed with all the illegal softeners out there? How do you feel about it.
Thoughts on Wrapping tires
Started by BRC27, Jan 25 2017 07:34 AM
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#1
Posted 25 January 2017 - 07:34 AM
#3
Posted 25 January 2017 - 11:38 AM
I can think of three reasons to wrap tires when no prepping is allowed.
The first is to keep tires clean until their put on the track and get dirty the same as everyone else's tires get dirty.
The second is to help in the process of cheating.
The third is to trick others making them wonder if their cheating or not.
#4
Posted 25 January 2017 - 01:43 PM
I'm personally on the fence. I'm on a budget running one or two sets of second hand tires all year long. I'm sure prepping,and wrapping tires could help my tires last longer, but I haven't been able to convince myself to take a grinder to my tires after every race
#5
Posted 25 January 2017 - 07:35 PM
You are giving up much needed traction especially at the beginning of the feature by not grinding every time they hit the track.
#6
Posted 25 January 2017 - 08:50 PM
People show up at the track these days with plastic still wrapped on the tires ! Noone hiding it anymore ... So have at it I believe is the unwritten rule nowdays ?
#7
Posted 25 January 2017 - 08:58 PM
you can see the oils come back on the tire....dryness kills them.
#8
Posted 26 January 2017 - 07:57 PM
It's hilarious that everyone thinks because someone has their tires wrapped in plastic they are treating them.
#9
Posted 26 January 2017 - 09:32 PM
What amazes me is that not all that long ago traveling pro's be it NDRA or WoO sprints had the largest rows of open tire racks that the sun used to bake as they traveled from one race to another. In today's racing of mega haulers most tires don'T see the sun. I did see bloomers guys, and I'm sure there are more, roll out this tire rack and wheel it to the shade side of the trailer and then cover the tires. They were all new tires and not one of them had plastic wrap. My question is ? Everyone looks at the plastic wrap but in reality is there something beyond the wrap that is in plain view that people are missing ? I see new tires coming out of the Hoosier trailer all the time.
#10
Posted 27 January 2017 - 08:51 AM
I have used the sun to stretch a tire before. But I think guys were finding that it was damaging their tires being in the sun too long. I don't see bloomer ever wrapping his tires and possibly due to all of the cheating accusations. He has long been the face of doctoring tires. Most of the local tracks like hummingbird and thunder mountain don't have any rules when it comes to tire prep so you see the top teams VSI,Fenton's,ECT. Wrapping their tires. Now I don't believe that is the only reason they are ahead of the competition, but if there is ground to be made there it's worth the effort or should it be outlawed to even up the competition?
#11
Posted 27 January 2017 - 10:10 AM
It's already been mentioned, but needs repeated. Just because a tire is wrapped, does NOT mean it is treated with anything. I've been involved with both situations and been around A LOT of wrapped tires. I would say with confidence that 90% of wrapped tires are only treated with a good cleaning with soap and water and no chemicals. It's just part of weekly maintenance for most teams. Taking care of tires and keeping them clean is as important as maintaining the rest of the car. The top teams do it because the top teams generally take care of ALL their equipment at a higher level than everyone else, because it's the difference in finishing races consistently, and because they can afford to take the extra steps.
#12
Posted 27 January 2017 - 10:57 AM
Simple Green is a tire prep.
#13
Posted 27 January 2017 - 12:28 PM
Dude you just gave out a HUGE secret dirtstudent2!
#14
Posted 27 January 2017 - 01:20 PM
Wrapping does the same thing outside the tire, that bb's and ball bearings do inside the tire.
#15
Posted 27 January 2017 - 01:42 PM
Can you explain your thought dirtstudent? I only know bb's balancing a tire so I'm curious as to your thought?
#16
Posted 27 January 2017 - 02:18 PM
Can you explain your thought dirtstudent? I only know bb's balancing a tire so I'm curious as to your thought?
bhhracing used the word secrete. Simple Green is no prep secrete and what I'm writing below contains no secrete's. It's all common readily available knowledge. You just have to do a little looking and asking.
This thread is about wrapping tires and the first post included reference to illegal prepping. What you just wrote about balancing is not on track with this thread.
Tires are wrapped to keep prep from running down the side walls and bb's mixed in with ball bearings when prepping inside using a rotisserie to do the same.
A measured amount of prep is added to bb's knowing exactly how much the added amount of different chemicals or prep products, will bring down the durometer reading of the tire. The bb's are there to contain the prep to the inside tread portion of the tire so it does not run down the sidewalls while prepping with a rotisserie. It's generally accepted the bb's serve another function. What they do is pickup the inside surface of the tire causing it to stick to the bb's/bal bearings. The prep is then applied from the bb's until dry. To complete the process tires are rolled for as long as three or four more days to allow all possible remains of what was first picked up to be applied back to the tire surface. Depending on the chemical or prep product used, you won't be able to visually see, feel or smell any difference inside a tire between before and after prepping. At best the only thing you will notice is the tires though used will seem new or were very fresh tires from the factory when purchased.
When prepping the tread surface of tires your control is the chemical or prep product used and either how long there rolled externally using a rotisserie or how many wipes of prep you apply. Then there's the factor for both of weather your prepping using heat or not. What you do and how you do it all depends on what you need the tire to be like for the track your using it. And what you do also depends on the brand of tire, the hardness you start with and if the tire is new or not. With all those variables it's experience which will make a prep/tire specialist worth as much or more then a setup specialist. I think with the state of today's dirt racing, you can't be successful and constantly run up front without knowing as much about tire preparation, as is know about engines, as is know about setup.
#19
Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:22 PM
bhhracing used the word secrete. Simple Green is no prep secrete and what I'm writing below contains no secrete's. It's all common readily available knowledge. You just have to do a little looking and asking.
This thread is about wrapping tires and the first post included reference to illegal prepping. What you just wrote about balancing is not on track with this thread.
Tires are wrapped to keep prep from running down the side walls and bb's mixed in with ball bearings when prepping inside using a rotisserie to do the same.
A measured amount of prep is added to bb's knowing exactly how much the added amount of different chemicals or prep products, will bring down the durometer reading of the tire. The bb's are there to contain the prep to the inside tread portion of the tire so it does not run down the sidewalls while prepping with a rotisserie. It's generally accepted the bb's serve another function. What they do is pickup the inside surface of the tire causing it to stick to the bb's/bal bearings. The prep is then applied from the bb's until dry. To complete the process tires are rolled for as long as three or four more days to allow all possible remains of what was first picked up to be applied back to the tire surface. Depending on the chemical or prep product used, you won't be able to visually see, feel or smell any difference inside a tire between before and after prepping. At best the only thing you will notice is the tires though used will seem new or were very fresh tires from the factory when purchased.
When prepping the tread surface of tires your control is the chemical or prep product used and either how long there rolled externally using a rotisserie or how many wipes of prep you apply. Then there's the factor for both of weather your prepping using heat or not. What you do and how you do it all depends on what you need the tire to be like for the track your using it. And what you do also depends on the brand of tire, the hardness you start with and if the tire is new or not. With all those variables it's experience which will make a prep/tire specialist worth as much or more then a setup specialist. I think with the state of today's dirt racing, you can't be successful and constantly run up front without knowing as much about tire preparation, as is know about engines, as is know about setup.
all I can say is WOW!!! WHAT A POST. you out did your self. 
#20
Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:55 PM
Interesting
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