18 replies to this topic

[dirtstudent2]

When your bringing someone along in "the" second car, what are the odds when you give them a chance to try the "good" car, it will come back wrecked?

 

 

[Cool1]

How do you come up with so meaningless questions?

[dirtstudent2]

Absolutely not meaningless.  It's a very valid point if you have or are going to help someone starting out in a second car.  I think answers if they come will be don't do it.  When someone gets to the point where you might think about giving them a try, if there not family there at the point where they also have to bring funding to the table to get in the "good" car if you have one.

 

Cool1, have you ever been in a situation where your racing others equipment learning and getting seat time?  Have you ever put someone in a race car or kart?  I don't think the question is meaningless. 

 

edit:  Other then family funded equipment?

Edited by dirtstudent2, 01 February 2017 - 01:03 PM.

[LM RACING]

I would say that the chances are the same with either car depending on the amount of money the driver brings to the team. If it is his own money there is a chance he will not pull a move that could cost him. If it is money he collected from sponsors he will probably stick his nose in some situations where the outcome could be bad.

[old man d]

In my OP before you put someone in a second car i think you should talk to them about helping with the cost. Just get an understanding between both parties if possible draw up an agreement. I know of some owners who have done this and it worked out. 

[Cool1]

Whatever 

Edited by Cool1, 01 February 2017 - 02:53 PM.

[dirtstudent2]

Thanks for the reply Cool1, being retired I really don't have anything better to do, unless I feel like doing something else.  I do sit around a lot but I don't have to think any of this shit up.  It just comes out of the blue and doesn't take any effort.  I do put a little effort into it before I ask a dumb question.  LOL, you have so few posts I thought you were a kid jumping on the band wagon pulled by some of the banned posters no longer on here but who so many seem to look up to.  I'm glad to see you are not.

 

Over the years watching races it just seems like when the announcer tells those in the stands how this or that person will be in the second car tonight or a backup driver is in the main car, they may as well just say watch this car it's going to crash.

 

With luck we may be in a two car situation this year and I asked to see what the response would be.  I'm thinking it should be cut in stone policy the second new driver doesn't ever sit in the other car.  The other car may be better stuff or it may not, especially if it's a little better and would lead to the new driver 'feeling good in it', DON'T DO IT.

 

Nice talking with you and I don't look for things to ask for the sake of asking.  Racing is complicated enough without having to look for things.  There ain't a stock car parked outside every mom and pop gas station anymore, where you can go bs about racing.  The internet has become the next best thing except for the grief you have to put up with types banned from here.  If all you do is talk to your own team and a few others, you end up talking to yourself because nothing new gets exposed.  When I see something new weather it's new or not it's new to me and I try to ask about it and learn, that's all.  Were all students no matter how long you've been in it or been a fan of it.

Edited by dirtstudent2, 01 February 2017 - 03:07 PM.

[Cool1]

Cool, good luck this year.

[jo73]

Those gas stations and garages used to bring young guys in to see there race car. To talk racing. Those days don't happen anymore.

As for the second car ?. I don't think that the second car is any less quality than the main car. Maybe 1 car will have a stronger motor, but, the rest of the car will be equal to the FAVORITE car. Each #1 driver may have a better seat fill to a particular car. The only real separation may be in years on a chassis.

[Walt Wimer]

The gas stations are all C-stores now!!!   And if the kids try to hang out there the manager calls the cops!!!   The best days are behind us!!!

 

GOOD RACING!!!!

 

Walt  (age 77!!)

[jo73]

So true Walt. So true .....

[94.3-RADRACER]

imo, depending on whether or not the car is a front wheel drive, or full blown slm, makes a big difference. i'm not putting every friend or family member in a slm. i will not put somebody in it till they had experience with some kind of similar car. these aren't toys, and don't know about most teams, but if they lose it and hit the wall, i can't just go get a new one. and if they say they'll pay, wel when they wreck it, and you have no car now, the interest of paying you 'their' money, goes way down......my thoughts.... 

[BRC27]

That decision has to come from the team/car owner period. He should know what's in each car and what's at stake. There are a lot of factors that would have to be considered. One of the most critical is for example...My car is built to suit my driving style. That's not necessarily the same style as my brother. I'm not going to put him a car that isn't set up for him for a race to see how he does. Just doesn't make sense. If it isn't set up to suit him the chances of him succeeding is low. Now if it was for the whole year, I would make adjustments to the car for him. JMO

[MANiAC]

If you feel the driver is experienced enough to run top-shelf equipment, put him in it. Your job as the team owner/mentor is to extract this driver's utmost potential with the resources you have available to you. Don't handicap his potential using finances as fear. It's basic human psychology to understand the notion "I better not run too hard, because if I wreck, I'm responsible for the costs involved." Requiring financial contributions from the driver would never allow him to be aggressive enough to extract his full potential. 

 

Racing is a sport that often claims innocent victims due to someone else's mistake. If you pull the car out of the trailer and put it on the track, eventually it will come back to the trailer damaged, no matter who the driver is. 

 

YOU are voluntarily putting him in YOUR equipment. If he solicited you to use your equipment, then I could understand having him contribute financially. 

 

 

If you can't afford to repair damaged equipment, you can't afford to race. 

Edited by MANiAC, 02 February 2017 - 05:10 PM.

[cats442]

The gas stations are all C-stores now!!!   And if the kids try to hang out there the manager calls the cops!!!   The best days are behind us!!!

 

GOOD RACING!!!!

 

Walt  (age 77!!)

As a kid traveling with my parents, I would always pay attention whenever we passed a gas station. So many times there would be a race car outside or in the garage bay being worked on. Miss those days!

[Walt Wimer]

Dfitto!!!  Saw many race cars sitting at gas stations when I was a kid back in the 50s!!!  Used to watch for them when traveling with my parents!!

 

Walt

[old man d]

Two brothers who lived across the from us had a coupe they raced at Green Valley Speedway. I was there every day cleaning up in turn i was allowed to sit in the car i even put the number on it #11. This was a big deal for a 9 year. After 50 + years of being involved and now a fan. Yes sir those times were great.                                                     Walt, thanks for relating what it was like back then.

[dirtstudent2]

My earliest memories were going with my brother Dad and Grampa to Canfield, watching Forney, Bickerstaff and most remembered big Plymouth business coupe of Daugerty push it's way through the what I remember as a jammed small track.  I ain't sure if I'm remembering correctly, being so small and young a tyke.  Then it was going to Sharon before and after being asphalt, the later going to watch and support the 57 chevy from down at Passeralli brothers.

 

Never stopped to see it but I will never forget seeing the what i think was a pink sprint at a gas station on the right just into Boardman on Market street in Youngstown.  yep, those who get beat up now on here by the azz holes have been hooked on short track for a long time.  

[jo73]

Heidelberg and south park back in the days of jalopies. Then south park to watch Paul Walters wheel the Turner #56 modified. Used to hang around there garage in arnold just to smell the burnt oil and the wrenching that took place. Many nights at junkyard Jimmy fast garage up the hill from the steel mill. Funny but even back then when we would drop in at Hemi joe's place, the #1 Blackie watt drove, and the car was always spotless. Wonder what ever happened to that car ? The nose hi Plymouth with the 440 in it terry Lilly ran. All these garages 5 mins from my door and there are many I missed. What a dam shame.