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[BaconBits]

If lernerville dropped ump and the WoO said we won't be there for the Don Martin classic I betcha the pits would be full of Tony Stewart's all stars. And if the dates were the same I betcha a few outlaws would be there too. In fact it mite be beneficial. For that kind of pay out I think you would see guys like Bryan reed, Bobby Allens team, haudenshields, kinser, Rico and more.

You don't understand the drawing power of the WoO sprint cars at all.

[DegenerationX]

Late models are dead around here and have nobody to race with because of the cars crate racing took from it and all you now have left is the few who can afford or build their own engines.  The simple solution for Lernerville's Late Model car count is to give crates a weight break.

 

Is there anything in the rules which prevents crates from running at Lernerville?  With only 12 Supers there last night wouldn't make the feature money for crates be a much better payout then a regular crate race?  You can run a 360 with 410 sprints any time you want why don't crates go where the money is and fill the fields for Late races?   

 

I understand the thought, but the purse increase not withstanding, why would you want to run a race knowing you have no chance to win or even finish in the top five/ten? 

[Walt Wimer]

Ask Bill Kiley or Dave Reges!!

[94.3-RADRACER]

I don't remember saying they never have a good race. I've never seen one that was all that good. Actually, that's incorrect. Friday's stock race was good. 

then you have not been to one of lernervilles rush races..... they are usaully better than any race of the night......stay home.......make a business that we can all make mega bucks, and all buy new super motors... for your fantasy track....

[old man d]

Walt made a good comment ask Bill Kiley or Dave Reges. Has anyone walked around the pits and ask the drivers what they thought about the payoff the tires they have to run and motors they where made to use. I did have a chance to ask a sprint car  driver the payoff. His words where I have a place to race I know I will never get what I put into it but, the payoff is what it is and that"s at every track. I do it because I love to race. Then I asked how much longer you plan to race,his answer was when it"s not fun any more. So you all can take that for what it"s worth.

[jo73]

Bayko, I think with having the WoO it keeps many guys parked because they understand they don't have a chance in hell. Being as it is called the month of money, I disagree. I think your guys that are fast, not WoO fast because yes those guys are in another league, would show up for that kind of pay out. It's all opinions because we both understand it's never going to happen. That UMP deal at lernerville has back door incentives that keep them there and they will always be there. In fact I will go as far as saying the tire (Hoosier) makers are putting so much into point funds to be the exclusive tire it may be hurting the sport.

[BaconBits]

Bayko, I think with having the WoO it keeps many guys parked because they understand they don't have a chance in hell. Being as it is called the month of money, I disagree. I think your guys that are fast, not WoO fast because yes those guys are in another league, would show up for that kind of pay out. It's all opinions because we both understand it's never going to happen. That UMP deal at lernerville has back door incentives that keep them there and they will always be there. In fact I will go as far as saying the tire (Hoosier) makers are putting so much into point funds to be the exclusive tire it may be hurting the sport.

The WoO (both series, actually) drawing power isn't the back gate, it's the front. If the Silver Cup went to the ASCOC instead of the WoO, the crowd wouldn't be anywhere near as strong, and without the super strong crowd, the show would likely be a money loser.

[dirtstudent2]

Walt made a good comment ask Bill Kiley or Dave Reges. Has anyone walked around the pits and ask the drivers what they thought about the payoff the tires they have to run and motors they where made to use. I did have a chance to ask a sprint car  driver the payoff. His words where I have a place to race I know I will never get what I put into it but, the payoff is what it is and that"s at every track. I do it because I love to race. Then I asked how much longer you plan to race,his answer was when it"s not fun any more. So you all can take that for what it"s worth.

 

The answer you get also depends on the question you ask.  

 

If you would have asked Kiley what he thought about not being able to race for a half a year because of not having the money to buy mandatory seat etc. a couple of years back, you might get a different answer.  Did you ask him what he thought about the cost of having different mud covers this year?  

 

Some racers can afford the mandatory engines and everything else like increased pit cost and reduced payout.  Those who can't, can't race.  You don't have as many low budget regulars at local shows for some of the same reasons I read on here higher dollar teams travel around.  

 

Because of mandatory cost some low budget racers who love to race the same as Kiley, now travel to shows of higher payout instead of running for points which give nothing in return.  With local tracks no longer welcoming all and treating racers as customers to feed on and reduced car count a lower budget racer can now travel to where they can make a feature.  And if not making a feature, the tow or minimum payout will make the return worth more then local points racing.  And the low budget racer who loves to race still gets to race, but at a small but better return and will be treated better and welcomed even if as just a "new" customer.

   

 

 

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 28 August 2017 - 11:01 AM.

[Hot Dog]

What a bunch of assholes! Mandating safety equipment so he doesn't hurt himself in his 20 year old dune buggy, the nerve. They have to do that or idiots would be out there with a bicycle helmet, tshirt and shorts, and a rope tying them to a boat seat in their 85 Gambler. Then those same idiots would be the ones suing the track when they get hurt.

[dirtstudent2]

This thread was started about how payout verses income from racing even effects a high dollar team.  I think the implication was about how cost and changing payout may loose a racer who makes effort to race locally.  The concern I read then moved by mainly Late Model fans to a loss of car count.  

 

What I posted is not about if new safety equipment is good or bad, it was about how the cost of anything mandatory can and does reduce car count.  An increased cost of racing is an increase no matter which direction it comes from.  And a reduction in payout, no matter if it's coming in the gate or leaving the payout window is still an increase in the cost to race.   A small increase in cost for lesser funded racers hurts just as much or more on car count, as a lack of increase, change or reduction in purse at the top of the food chain.

 

This thread so far is not about the need for safety equipment or suing anyone, it's about cost verses being able to race, choosing where to race and car counts.  

 

Maybe a thread is needed about left coast anti Trump liberals forcing racers out of racing by demanding they buy safety equipment.  

[FanJim24]

then you have not been to one of lernervilles rush races..... they are usaully better than any race of the night......stay home.......make a business that we can all make mega bucks, and all buy new super motors... for your fantasy track....

OK, I see one real groove and one guy who manages to pass everyone else, which kind of explains why he has won all but 2 races this year. One guy has his car setup to run the bottom and he fast enough with that setup to finish second a lot.

[old man d]

Here is a new one on me. Please tell me WHY they need different mud covers is this new from past years and how are they different.

[lrnvlFan1w]

Here is a new one on me. Please tell me WHY they need different mud covers is this new from past years and how are they different.

I don't know about Sprints but Late Models covers have to bolt on now not use a dzus fastener.  Was pretty easy to convert our current covers over.

[dirtstudent2]

Here is a new one on me. Please tell me WHY they need different mud covers is this new from past years and how are they different.

 

You now either buy and use bead locks which have a place for 5 dzus fasteners and new mud covers, buy upgrade to screw on covers, use foam insert or nothing at all.  Tony Stewart and WoO made all 3 dzus covers unless upgraded to bolt on obsolete.  I guess it's another left coast liberal Trump hating thing forced on racers by liberal big business pushing money under the table at promoters.  

 

edit:  At least that's what I heard on the Rush show.  

Edited by dirtstudent2, 28 August 2017 - 02:28 PM.

[old man d]

Thanks for the information.

[blue by you]

This thread was started about how payout verses income from racing even effects a high dollar team.  I think the implication was about how cost and changing payout may loose a racer who makes effort to race locally.  The concern I read then moved by mainly Late Model fans to a loss of car count.  

 

What I posted is not about if new safety equipment is good or bad, it was about how the cost of anything mandatory can and does reduce car count.  An increased cost of racing is an increase no matter which direction it comes from.  And a reduction in payout, no matter if it's coming in the gate or leaving the payout window is still an increase in the cost to race.   A small increase in cost for lesser funded racers hurts just as much or more on car count, as a lack of increase, change or reduction in purse at the top of the food chain.

 

This thread so far is not about the need for safety equipment or suing anyone, it's about cost verses being able to race, choosing where to race and car counts.  

 

Maybe a thread is needed about left coast anti Trump liberals forcing racers out of racing by demanding they buy safety equipment.  

oh boy!!!!........        

[dirtstudent2]

oh boy!!!!........        

 

Everyone goes through being young and frustrated while growing up.  

[Cool1]

As I have said many times over the years, "he with the most money wins"  has always been that way, and always will be. Get over it, or do what I did, quit even going to races, they are just not the same anymore, those that know me, know I would go from Canada to Florida for a dirt race, but I have not attended one this year, I just follow it on twitter, I guess I just got tired of all the bitching and stupid changes. Its a shame, used to be really fun. 

[BUTTBEAK]

No one should die or get hurt, watching or racing,

I'm all in for anything that makes the sport safer.

I can't stand when I hear someone says.... " at least he died doing what he loved" ...when a driver dies in competition.

NO ONE does this with the intent to die doing it!

Edited by BUTTBEAK, 28 August 2017 - 07:11 PM.

[lrnvlFan1w]

No one should die or get hurt, watching or racing,

I'm all in for anything that makes the sport safer.

I can't stand when I hear someone says.... " at least he died doing what he loved" ...when a driver dies in competition.

NO ONE does this with the intent to die doing it!

 

I never want to see anyone get hurt let alone die.  

 

I also am all for the safety rules and have personally put up my own money to make sure our driver has certain expensive safety items.

 

However, when a driver straps in they assume the risk which is injury and potentially god forbid it death.  No matter how hard that is to swallow that is the truth.