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[Mod Pro]

Just heard cup will have a dirt race at Bristol in the spring

Awesome!!! I think other sanctioning bodies should try to hook onto this... all stars, BRP tour... get money races the same weekend while Bristol is covered with dirt!!! What an opportunity

[D1RT]

NASCAR/Brian France are grasping at straws trying to ride on the coat-tails of dirt track fans. They are on life support just like the NHRA grasping at straws. IMHO every dirt track fan should tell NASCAR to go pound sand.

[Tommy]

NASCAR/Brian France are grasping at straws trying to ride on the coat-tails of dirt track fans. They are on life support just like the NHRA grasping at straws. IMHO every dirt track fan should tell NASCAR to go pound sand.

Brian France does not make any decisions concerning NASCAR anymore. NASCAR is on the decline but they are are trying to do some things fans want but they are are completely dropping the ball on the low HP/ high downforce setup at intermediate tracks.

[Mod Pro]

When I was a kid it seemed like racing was a manufacturers thing... Ford... GM.... even Dodge and people took pride and even bought vehicles they saw on the track. Kinda sad racing is so far removed and so many controls in place its hard to connect with. Wish theyd start a new factory body and motor class... or something like that. Id lay money on it there isnt a single OEM part in a cup car

Nevertheless... wish them the best and hoping to travel to Bristol this year after they dump dirt all over it and hope that dirt is taken advantage of

[jo73]

So does anyone know how many laps a 3500# race car will be turning on the bristol dirt ?

I think it's going to be a disaster. The track is going to be so dusty no one is going to be able to see and because of the type of suspension the track is going to chunk up so bad in the first 50 they call the program off due to safety concerns.

[Skull]

So does anyone know how many laps a 3500# race car will be turning on the bristol dirt ?

I think it's going to be a disaster. The track is going to be so dusty no one is going to be able to see and because of the type of suspension the track is going to chunk up so bad in the first 50 they call the program off due to safety concerns.

Run a night race at a traditional dirt track.  I'm happy they are at least trying to have a dirt track race, but I agree, it might be sketchy.

 

If NASCAR is going to try something outside the box, then go all the way. They gave Stewart the truck race at Eldora because of the seating. If they want the seating, then why not have this show at Knoxville? Just a thought. Probably because Bruton doesn't own it.

[jo73]

Skull, I agree, and with Stewart starting this deal that is suppose to be like IROC. I'm not sure he wanted it at eldora. Knoxville could probably pull this off. Burton is hoping it's going to be a build it and they will come senario.

The ideal place to do this would be on one of the mile dirt tracks. Problem is nobody with nascrap owns a mile dirt track.

I'll watch it because I'd be pissed at myself if I didn't, but other than that I think nascrap is dead. TV money and speedway owners with deep pockets will keep them a float. It's to the point already that 1 of 4 teams is going to win every race.

[Skull]

Skull, I agree, and with Stewart starting this deal that is suppose to be like IROC. I'm not sure he wanted it at eldora. Knoxville could probably pull this off. Burton is hoping it's going to be a build it and they will come senario.

The ideal place to do this would be on one of the mile dirt tracks. Problem is nobody with nascrap owns a mile dirt track.

I'll watch it because I'd be pissed at myself if I didn't, but other than that I think nascrap is dead. TV money and speedway owners with deep pockets will keep them a float. It's to the point already that 1 of 4 teams is going to win every race.

Yeah, the ship is slowly listing and the current TV contract will keep it afloat. Where things will get interesting is when negotiations begin for their next TV contract(s).

 

My decidedly unprofessional marketing approach would be for them to target smaller tracks/venues that are more fan friendly; tracks where fans can see more of the action, but might seat only 30K or so. I get that Daytona and Talladega are interwoven into NASCAR's fabric and can't be abandoned. However, the intermediate mile and half ovals and tri-ovals need to be shortened, or some eliminated entirely. That ship has sailed. Indy should be eliminated, it is not conducive to quality stock car racing. Resurrect Rockingham to replace it. This is all a pipe dream. Their current philosophy seems to be continually tweaking the points/playoff format and re-engineering the cars. The playoffs place far too much emphasis on a handful of drivers and although they do add drama, there are times when the champion wasn't the best or the most consistent team all year. It's not a true representation of a deserving champ. All they need to do with the cars is make them more difficult to drive. Harder tires, less aero dependent. Loosen them up and let the real talent show through instead of big money engineering the hell out of everything.

 

Obviously the dirt race at Bristol is a test to see how well it is received by the teams and the public at large. If they manage not to screw it up, it could lead to maybe two dirt races a year for the Cup series.

[FanJim24]

Yeah, the ship is slowly listing and the current TV contract will keep it afloat. Where things will get interesting is when negotiations begin for their next TV contract(s).

 

My decidedly unprofessional marketing approach would be for them to target smaller tracks/venues that are more fan friendly; tracks where fans can see more of the action, but might seat only 30K or so. I get that Daytona and Talladega are interwoven into NASCAR's fabric and can't be abandoned. However, the intermediate mile and half ovals and tri-ovals need to be shortened, or some eliminated entirely. That ship has sailed. Indy should be eliminated, it is not conducive to quality stock car racing. Resurrect Rockingham to replace it. This is all a pipe dream. Their current philosophy seems to be continually tweaking the points/playoff format and re-engineering the cars. The playoffs place far too much emphasis on a handful of drivers and although they do add drama, there are times when the champion wasn't the best or the most consistent team all year. It's not a true representation of a deserving champ. All they need to do with the cars is make them more difficult to drive. Harder tires, less aero dependent. Loosen them up and let the real talent show through instead of big money engineering the hell out of everything.

 

Obviously the dirt race at Bristol is a test to see how well it is received by the teams and the public at large. If they manage not to screw it up, it could lead to maybe two dirt races a year for the Cup series.

It would help if they remembered how they got popular in the first place, and it wasn't the casual fans. The casual fans created that market bubble that already popped. That's why they're casual fans. At this point, NASCRAP needs to do damage control and they don't realize it. All these sports sanctions got too big for themselves and people realized just how boring sitting at home watching a bunch of nothing really is. Sitting around waiting to see who the league or NASCRAP's chosen winner is this year is just stupid and the real fans are tired of it. We may never come back to any of this clown showmanship. 

[FanJim24]

All of that said, I'll probably watch it. It should be fun the first time. There are so many NASCRAP drivers who've never even seen a real race. There'll be more dirt in their driving suits than on the track by lap 2. 

 

I don't normally like a lot of wrecks, (I've known too many local drivers in the past), but I have to admit it will sadistically satisfying to seem some of these more money than brains superstars make a bunch of big carbon fiber spit balls. 

Edited by FanJim24, 04 October 2020 - 03:41 PM.

[jo73]

The first one will be a big success if they don't screw it up. Just like the first truck race at eldora. The place was packed, then after a few years everyone realized the street stocks were turning faster laps and that race has gone downhill.

[jo73]

It's like the eldora truck race. The first one the place was packed. Now, not so much, I think there the slowest division that races there.

Edited by jo73, 04 October 2020 - 08:53 PM.

[jo73]

How the hell do u delete a post ?

[Swanzilla]

I can see Nascar wanting to hog this entire thing for themselves & not share it with any actual dirt track cars, but who knows. Like it was mentioned earlier, street stocks/emods/crate lates would turn faster laps than the Cup cars will, so will Nascar really want their premier division shown up by small time weekend racers? 

[Skull]

I can see Nascar wanting to hog this entire thing for themselves & not share it with any actual dirt track cars, but who knows. Like it was mentioned earlier, street stocks/emods/crate lates would turn faster laps than the Cup cars will, so will Nascar really want their premier division shown up by small time weekend racers? 

 

I'll watch out of morbid curiosity. I'm guessing these cars will be similar to watching the trucks at Eldora.....slow and ponderous. I'm sure some of the Cup regulars will struggle. Guys like Larson, Bell and Briscoe have an advantage. Blaney should too just because of the coaching he will receive from Pops and Uncle Dale. My gut reaction is that overall, it will be a sh!t show.

[DirtxxxRacing]

I can see Nascar wanting to hog this entire thing for themselves & not share it with any actual dirt track cars, but who knows. Like it was mentioned earlier, street stocks/emods/crate lates would turn faster laps than the Cup cars will, so will Nascar really want their premier division shown up by small time weekend racers? 

 

 

I dont know about that, granted it's not their top division, but at the Dirt Derby last year, Dave Blaney turned a 17.032 in the big block feature, while the fastest practice lap by the trucks was a 19.257.  Doubt they'd really care since they don't really broadcast the dirt divisions usually, but who knows.  NASCAR is a different breed that's for sure.