ULMS no longer sanctioning the Friday Thunder Mountain race. Interesting.
Thunder Mtn Friday no longer ULMS
Started by Benny K, Aug 19 2021 04:13 PM
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#1
Posted 19 August 2021 - 04:13 PM
#2
Posted 19 August 2021 - 05:03 PM
Curious... Nobody will really say why either...
#3
Posted 19 August 2021 - 06:10 PM
Everybody is racing late models on Friday night. How dumb can you be scheduling all these races with the outlaws in the area for 4 days plus local tracks running them. Wait till you see when ULMS pulls out of the 2 10000 to win races.
Edited by bhhracing, 19 August 2021 - 06:10 PM.
#4
Posted 19 August 2021 - 07:31 PM
The 111 announced they were going to Williams Grove and all of a sudden no sanction at Thunder Mtn. They aren't going to Sharon so ULMS race is still on. The optics dont look great.
#5
Posted 19 August 2021 - 08:59 PM
On the ULMS Facebook page, they make it seem like the sanction was lifted at the request of Thunder Mountain, but it does look fishy.
Edited by flash49, 19 August 2021 - 09:00 PM.
#6
Posted 20 August 2021 - 03:28 PM
Its still a 3,000 to win race and they don't have to pay ULMS fees
#7
Posted 23 August 2021 - 10:25 AM
Hidden valley just dropped the ulms for Saturday
#8
Posted 23 August 2021 - 03:49 PM
Ulms does not bring in any cars!!! Why pay a huge fee.
#9
Posted 23 August 2021 - 08:15 PM
Hidden valley just dropped the ulms for Saturday
just made my decision easier, it's off to The Bird for the BRP show!!
#10
Posted 23 August 2021 - 08:17 PM
Ulms does not bring in any cars!!! Why pay a huge fee.
We went the night they had 410's and Big Blocks and other than Blair and the Scott's, (trying to remember if Chub was there), you're right. Hard to justify paying a sanctioning fee if all they are bringing is 5-8 cars.
#11
Posted 23 August 2021 - 08:18 PM
just made my decision easier, it's off to The Bird for the BRP show!!
I went to the last one, it was a good time.
#12
Posted 24 August 2021 - 06:50 AM
We went the night they had 410's and Big Blocks and other than Blair and the Scott's, (trying to remember if Chub was there), you're right. Hard to justify paying a sanctioning fee if all they are bringing is 5-8 cars.
It's a regional series paying $3,000 to win, and a decent overall purse, so how many "extra" cars is a good number? 15? With tires, parts, COVID, fuel prices, all still issues, I don't see what folks expect? Tracks need about 5 "ULMS-related" cars with 5 people buying pit passes with each car, to cover the huge sanction fee... Without regional series around, tracks wouldn't be having as many better purse open shows, and some tracks have issues running qualifying, tech, etc.... Competition is a good thing to keep purses somewhat better, as the costs to race SLM's is crazy... JMO
#13
Posted 24 August 2021 - 03:47 PM
It's a regional series paying $3,000 to win, and a decent overall purse, so how many "extra" cars is a good number? 15? With tires, parts, COVID, fuel prices, all still issues, I don't see what folks expect? Tracks need about 5 "ULMS-related" cars with 5 people buying pit passes with each car, to cover the huge sanction fee... Without regional series around, tracks wouldn't be having as many better purse open shows, and some tracks have issues running qualifying, tech, etc.... Competition is a good thing to keep purses somewhat better, as the costs to race SLM's is crazy... JMO
They probably shouldnt schedule against local/regional woo or Lucas shows. Plenty of other dates on the calendar. Not just cars, but the grandstand takes a hit as well
#14
Posted 24 August 2021 - 07:04 PM
It's a regional series paying $3,000 to win, and a decent overall purse, so how many "extra" cars is a good number? 15? With tires, parts, COVID, fuel prices, all still issues, I don't see what folks expect? Tracks need about 5 "ULMS-related" cars with 5 people buying pit passes with each car, to cover the huge sanction fee... Without regional series around, tracks wouldn't be having as many better purse open shows, and some tracks have issues running qualifying, tech, etc.... Competition is a good thing to keep purses somewhat better, as the costs to race SLM's is crazy... JMO
I'm not bad mouthing the ULMS. But, TMS must not be breaking even or they are losing money on these shows. Or, maybe they feel they can draw just as many cars without having to pay the sanctioning fee. We don't know because they aren't saying.
#15
Posted 25 August 2021 - 06:42 AM
I'm not bad mouthing the ULMS. But, TMS must not be breaking even or they are losing money on these shows. Or, maybe they feel they can draw just as many cars without having to pay the sanctioning fee. We don't know because they aren't saying.
It's definitely a business decision, but I'm just pointing out that the sanctioning fee isn't that big for regional series races vs. WoO & Lucas Oil, and those series have from 8-12 series travelers usually ( bigger names granted ) that are "guaranteed"... ( Eriez WoO show had a total of 26 cars ) Some teams regionally will hit & miss regional shows as their schedule works out, even if they aren't chasing the points titles. Knowing how the race will be run, purse, format, etc., does get some fringe cars to come to a regional sanctioned show more often than just an open show sometimes. ( weather, actual track, other races, etc. factor in.. ) Just to use the TMS recent open race as an example, looked like they got maybe 3-4 cars "extra" that don't run there usually?? So, it's hard to say how many may have came with a sanction, but picking up 4-5 more cars certainly would seem like it could have happened... With the crowds looking pretty good at most tracks, most races, this year, I'd say tracks are doing ok either way, but are just looking/testing the options. Business is business, and I give all the track owners/operators a bunch of credit for doing what they do so fans can watch good dirt track racing.
Edited by 9kchas24, 25 August 2021 - 06:43 AM.
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#16
Posted 25 August 2021 - 04:36 PM
I am very curious to see the car count when they have their twin 10000 win shows. With every touring series racing that weekend where will these cars come from.
#17
Posted 26 August 2021 - 12:53 PM
They will not have the 2 day thunderfest show. The gates will be closing real soon there.
#18
Posted 27 August 2021 - 07:10 AM
I am very curious to see the car count when they have their twin 10000 win shows. With every touring series racing that weekend where will these cars come from.
Not only that but thats also Keystone Cup weekend at Bedford. 21k to win.
Who wants an autograph?
#19
Posted 27 August 2021 - 08:40 AM
Not only that but thats also Keystone Cup weekend at Bedford. 21k to win.
The keystone cup is October 22nd and 23rd.
#20
Posted 27 August 2021 - 12:49 PM
These tracks up there need to work together. Don't run the same stuff every night. One track run supers, pure stocks, the other run limiteds and pro stocks. Then switch. They all can run their 4 cylinders and then throw in the super 6s, 305s, small block mods and econo mods on some sort of rotation and you have 4 classes. Mayne get 15-20 cars on a class instead of 10 or less.
Edited by Benny K, 27 August 2021 - 12:50 PM.
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