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[OGRE]

Let's hope this is just a rumor but I wanted to put a feeler out there to see if anyone with an inside will answer. I've heard that there will not be a drivers points fund this year. I heard that there "might" be a champion's jacket given and that all. I hope this is totally false!!!! Last year we voted to put an extra dollar of our pit admission to be used for a point fund and banquet....that made the pit price $21. This season the pit price was raised to $25 and there hasn't been any mention of any awards at the end of the season. Why is this so secretive.....it should be well advertised what that fund that we're shooting for is. Personally I think that there will be a fund or else they wouldn't be keeping track of points through the field. I'm hoping this is a bad rumor......if it's not a rumor then there won't be many people back next season....I can promise you that!!

[skip]

I don't know if there will a point fund at the end of the year. But i do know Saturday night racing is no way to get rich or make money and the facilty and track at WMP has been better this year. I'am sure there has been many nights that Cub and Mike have had to dig into there pockets to pay prize money and Track help so please be supportive of them so we can have a local track to race at next year.

amen the pay outs have been better

[OGRE]

amen the pay outs have been better

Hang on a minute there.......maybe the payouts are better for the mods and sprints but the trucks are running for the same amount of money as last season and we never said anything about it at all simply because we were thankful to have a place to run.....and now our points fund is being taken away after we pay $4 more to get in every week?????

And Mr. Push........I am thankful that we have WMP to run at every week and that they have put a bunch of labor and money in the track. I also know racing isn't about getting rich but it is about earning enough money to keep your own team going also. Cub and Andy aren't the only ones that have to dig deep in their pockets every week........us racers do also!!!! Taking a points fund away without saying anything about it is NOT a cool thing to do and I hope it's a nasty rumor and rumor only.

[drtrcncor]

Two weeks ago Josh took the track to start the A and the ignition quit in turns 1&2 going to start the race...so he never actually took the green..when I went to get tow money I was told that we get none because he didn't start the feature, and that he didn't run a consi. My thinking was...he didn't have to run a consi because he won his heat. Their thinking was that the mods didn't have enough to run a consi, but "if" they would of another car would of gotten our feature starting spot and we wouldn't of gotten the money anyway (I wasn't looking for feature starting money, just tow money). I was then told that they lose about $2,000 a week on the mods as it is. Another person (who I hadn't seen before, but was the one making the decisions that Cub went to) asked if we had ever raced there before...I explained that yes, and that Josh won the 1st ever race there and has won various races there since. I was then asked if we have been there every week this year, when I said no I was pretty well told that I have nothing to complain about since we don't support the track every week. He didn't care to hear about why we hadn't been there every week, just that we weren't. I asked them about this rule since I hadn't seen it and the website didn't list it, they didn't know what the website said and just said that is the rule. We had had a really rough night and I tried my battle, but admitted defeat. Another mod driver that had the same situation happen to him that night came up and asked me if we were treated the same...which was the case. Per the "no money" list when I went to get the pay that night (3 cars on the list)...they only paid 12 mods that night. I would assume from that night that unless the mods start bringing in more cars on a weekly basis that it isn't all that great of a chance for them to be back there next year on a regular basis. I'm sure it is hard for the class to split between Eldora, Montpelier and Waynesfield.

[WMP]

After reading what people have to say about this current subject it is time for my statement. As far as a point fund I would think that you could come up to a member of the track staff and discuss it in that way instead of coming on here and asking people that are not involved in the day-to-day operations of the track on what they think or what they have heard. You will get a better answer doing it that way. As far as Mr. Scott, in the rules it states that tow money is only paid out if you take a green flag lap in the B or the A, if you need a copy of the rules they are available at the track, but once again without ever asking for them, people would rather come on here and vent instead of asking track personnel for the proper information. Mr. Scott could you please tell me if you lost an air filter the other night? I found one laying in your pit area after you left. I am sure people in the driver's meeting were wondering why I acted the way that I did and things like this, and trash in the pit area, and disrespecting the girls in the pay out window have gotten really old really quick. We have treated everyone with respet and this is how we are repaid. I want to thank the people that have stood behind us since we have taken over the track and respected what we have tried to do for the racers. It is those of you make my days at the track as enjoyable as it can be. I look forward to helping the people that want to be there in every way that I can in the future.

[drtrcncor]

I'm sorry but I did go directly to the track officials and they are the ones that told me that they didn't know what the rules were and couldn't give me a straight answer. My feeling from my conversation was that since the mods weren't bringing a full field every week they weren't supporting the track. I wanted to make sure that feeling got out so that if they don't make the schedule weekly next year it is known why. We have had various rough breaks this year and due to that haven't raced every weekend...I don't think that we should be looked down upon as not "supporting the track" because of that reason. I never raised my voice or got hostile, I just explained that up to that point I hadn't heard of that...and apparently since another driver had the same situation I wasn't alone in that thinking. I like going to Waynesfield to race because they are family friendly and with an hour and 15 minute drive the closest modified track to our house on Saturday nights. I will have to ask the guys about the air cleaner.

[Dr. Speedy]

So, how did this get from "bad rumor" to this? All the guy asked for was if there was a point fund this year???? Still not an answer after all that. By the way, the truck A last week put on the best show of all the classes, and this class races for "RACING" not for money. I like coming to WMP also. But I think if there is no fund, after all of the extra money that was supposed to be used for that purpose is not there, I think the pit price should be dropped.

[mod13]

[quote name='WMP' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:07 PM' post='69388']
After reading what people have to say about this current subject it is time for my statement. As far as a point fund I would think that you could come up to a member of the track staff and discuss it in that way instead of coming on here and asking people that are not involved in the day-to-day operations of the track on what they think or what they have heard. You will get a better answer doing it that way.

There still is no answer in your response as to the point fund. I'm sure the track isn't making much, if any,money this year, but that happens with most new buisnesses. You have to invest before you see a return. Alot of teams have invested in Waynesfield and don't expect to be left out. I think the stock cars got the raw deal by being left out this year, are the mods, trucks, minis next? The track is much faster this year but is it racier? I don't think so. How many races are being won from the front row. There was hope for the little guy in the sprints for awhile, now its back to horsepower. For those of us that have supported the track, we've excepted the higher pit passes, the rougher track, the uncertainty of a point fund, and so on, because we still like to race there. Its still the best thing going. I hope everything comes together and we can keep the track goin for years to come.

[OGRE]

First and foremost......This is a discussion tread for peopel to inquire opinions. All I was asking is "I heard a rumor that there is no points fund this year, and is that true?". This mean that has anyone else heard the same thing.... Everyone has a complaint every now and then about a racetrack but it's how the track deals with those complaints that sets them apart from other tracks. To this point I think WMP has done a wonderful job of this and I expect that to continue. I was simply inquiring about the point fund and that's it...........Will we have one? Please don't take it out on everyone for a few idiots that chew out the girl at the hotdog stand because they got put to the tail.........we're not all like that!

[SprinterFan101]

I think it's a question worth asking. It should have been answered long before now considering the season is almost over. I understand that you want people to come to the officails first but either way the drivers are going to talk and everyone would hear about this anyway and thats a reason to post it on here. Better than them hearing it at the track and then going to your pay out girls and them baring the rath right? Well hope for your guys sake you get somthing at the end of the year, it's been a good year racing and I'd hate for everyone not to come back because of this.

[rogk01]

Now to start with, I am not one to complain about what goes on at the track, however, everybody parks in about the same place every week and at the least the classes have specified parking so if there is a problem in a certain area then maybe there should be a conference with that class so they know that WMP knows who is doing it. And if it is coming from the area of the trucks then I welcome anybody from WMP to stop down at the # 8 truck and let me know and I will be more than happy to stay and help clean up after the races and I am sure I can round up a small crew to help. And I know you are passing out the money at the end and I applaud you for the work you do but it sounds obvious that you must know who it is that is causing problems at the payout window and if thats the case don't blow up on everybody at the drivers meetings. Just deal with the problem people, I know if that happened at Eldora when Earl was around you would have a boot on the backside as you exited the track. I enjoy coming out every week when I can but just because I am not there for every race does not make me any less of a racer, it just means I have a family, a job and sometime other commitments, or maybe a last minute problem that we cant fix in a short time but that does not mean that I dont support the track. I think the job that everybody does at the track has been above and beyond this year but I dont want to see it end up being just another job just to go to the track. I got to the point that I rarely go to Limaland because of all the attitudes from some[not all] of there staff and I got tired of hearing "If you dont like it dont come back" so I dont. If anybody does not agree with me thats fine, You know what the say about opinions, and this is just mine. You can find me down at the # 8 pits with the trucks if you need anything, Roger Keysor

[skip]

i for one have nothing in this at all, if what im reading andy james is gone or not been around only mike and cub would know, i would say thanks to cub and mike for keeping it alive and giving all of us a place to go to on sat night except eldora. mike and cub have more to lose than what some of you have in your trucks. they stuck their necks out to give you a place to have fun at. they are proably digging into their pockets every week to give back to the fans ,drivers and crews. look at the stands i went by at the first of the year and was lucky to see 100 people in them. the stands are starting to fill every week. as far as it used to be a low budget track for drivers. that happens every where. IF YOU WANT TO WIN YOU HAVE TO SPEND. when you see 6 big usac teams show up and some there every week. i would have to say things are looking up. then when you post some thing about a point fund on here, a lot a people read these posts and you might be hurting future chances for exposure for wmp. you have a right to ask the question, but as of right now it is what it is a rumor. makes no difference if its lmp eldora or wmp, you cant make every one happy. i remember years ago in the 60,s at limaland they were runing with out ins. that was some thing to complain about. to me this is not the place to ask, a lot of the people on here like me are not drivers, and i should not be involved in knowing if there is or is not. the question should be asked at the track and not to people on here. this is nothing but a chat site and rumor site for people to blow off steam and brag about how well some did last week or how bad of a driver some one was. roger is right every one has a right to their opinion and comments. plus you have the right to post what ever you want i for one have done my fair share of it and have had to face up to what i have said, i hope every thing works out for every one this year.

[riley07]

Every racer looks forward to the extra money from the points fund at the end of the season there is no question about that. I forgot about the raising of the pit prices were supposed to be for the points fund. Is it wrong if WMP said there would be a points fund and then there isn't....yes. BUT you could look at it in another way aswell. Look at Lima for instance. They have been running for how many years now and the pit price @ Lima is $25 just like WMP and WMP (at least for the mods) to win is $600 just like Lima but from there WMP payout is more than Lima. Second place at WMP is $400 and Lima is $300. As any driver or car owner knows every week money can be shelled out to be put into a car and the extra money WMP gives in the pay out every week rather than at the end of the year helps a lot of people to not have to reach so far into their pockets every week. Racing isn't cheap by no means, but that extra $50 or $100 at the end of the night rather than the end of the year sure does helps out. If WMP does have a points fund that's great and then their payout breakdown being more makes Lima look a little cheap I think!! Just my opinion!!

[OGRE]

Skip.....I think this is the first time that I'll have to disagree with you. I think this is a true chat site for fans and for drivers. I think that people should feel free to discuss wether they got a bad hotdog in the stands or wether they got screwed on the track. If you want to comment on wether we're getting points money or not then it's up to you. When I posted this I was looking for people like Hippy, Roger, B-Rad or any other racers on here that may have heard the same thing because normally if a few people hear the same thing then it's probably true. Personally, I applaud the efforts at WMP this season and I think that it was actually headding in the right direction. Just remember though.....it only takes one incident such as this to throw all of that down the drain. Truthfully.....I haven't heard anyone confirm that the rumor is for real or not but it does trouble me that WMP never commented on it when he replied on here. It may not sound like much but an extra $100 would go a long way for me and some of us depend on getting that point money back at the end of the season. Let me tell you one other thing.......I cancelled some of my family outings this season because I wanted to tough it out and run for the best possible finish in the points. If I had known that I wasn't going to get any points money unless I won the points then I would've put racing aside to attend my family function. That's where we get PO'd just like Roger said..........I decided last week that my family was way more important than racing and I took the week off. We all work our schedules around racing but when we're let down because of a decision that wasn't announced then that irks us. Also.....it was nover announced that Andy James was out of the picture....not once by WMP!! That right there would've thrown a flag up for me!! You know.....I think Greg Shobe did a ton to get this place going and I know that he wasn't bringing in as much as they are this season but he found a way to put on a really nice banquet last season......way to go Greg! So in closing....Skip....I think this is the right place to voice this subject....period!

[injunear]

We reserve all comment, except that we're interested in the outcome.

[injunear]

Now to start with, I am not one to complain about what goes on at the track, however, everybody parks in about the same place every week and at the least the classes have specified parking so if there is a problem in a certain area then maybe there should be a conference with that class so they know that WMP knows who is doing it. And if it is coming from the area of the trucks then I welcome anybody from WMP to stop down at the # 8 truck and let me know and I will be more than happy to stay and help clean up after the races and I am sure I can round up a small crew to help. And I know you are passing out the money at the end and I applaud you for the work you do but it sounds obvious that you must know who it is that is causing problems at the payout window and if thats the case don't blow up on everybody at the drivers meetings. Just deal with the problem people, I know if that happened at Eldora when Earl was around you would have a boot on the backside as you exited the track. I enjoy coming out every week when I can but just because I am not there for every race does not make me any less of a racer, it just means I have a family, a job and sometime other commitments, or maybe a last minute problem that we cant fix in a short time but that does not mean that I dont support the track. I think the job that everybody does at the track has been above and beyond this year but I dont want to see it end up being just another job just to go to the track. I got to the point that I rarely go to Limaland because of all the attitudes from some[not all] of there staff and I got tired of hearing "If you dont like it dont come back" so I dont. If anybody does not agree with me thats fine, You know what the say about opinions, and this is just mine. You can find me down at the # 8 pits with the trucks if you need anything, Roger Keysor

Roger, and all.....

a couple of years ago, a bunch of teams even volunteered themselves (not by request, at all), to do a WORK day or two at the track in the fall. I think the good guys in racing will sooner or later, overshadow the ones who are not so considerate (whoever it may be). If a volunteer crew is necessary, let us know. We'll continue to help!

[skip]

i wasnt there at the start of the year, was there even a mention of a point fund for this year?. its all new management, a dollar was added to pit admissionn last year for a point fund. did every one just take it for last year and think there would be a point fund this year? i dont think there is mention of it on their web site. maybe im wrong but just asking. did any one ask at the first of the year if there would be a point fund? new managment new season, if i was a driver i think i would of asked this question at the first of the year instead of now.

Edited by skip, 16 August 2007 - 06:37 PM.

[skip]

Roger, and all.....

a couple of years ago, a bunch of teams even volunteered themselves (not by request, at all), to do a WORK day or two at the track in the fall. I think the good guys in racing will sooner or later, overshadow the ones who are not so considerate (whoever it may be). If a volunteer crew is necessary, let us know. We'll continue to help!

i have but proably to late in the season to make a difference and help out.