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#81 raceover5


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:52 PM

Thank god lernerville is running lates in 2018 they said. Hopefully it will keep people like you who love crates at home.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:41 PM


You might as well talk to a wall flash, some of these people don't get what you're trying to say. They would rather kill off the crates and enjoy watching 10 super late models every week because that's "real" racing. All these tracks have done nothing to try to help the racer with cost. Lernerville makes you run a certain tire, same with Pittsburgh. I remember when PPMS started the spec motor program back in the 90s. It allowed drivers who had talent but not the $$$ to buy a Draime motor stay competitive. Then once the guys who spent the big $$ started getting it handed to them by spec motors, they all cried about how unfair it was and blah blah. Eventually the spec motor was killed off and the guys with the big $$$ got their wish. Funny thing is, back in those days you had over 20 cars weekly, now you get 10 a week and people blame crate motors when the real blame lies elsewhere.


You may be right about your opinion Crates saved late model racing around here.


If anyone has kept records your opinion would be very easy to prove.  When did Fastrack start the crate invasion in this western PA, eastern Ohio area?  Has super late model count gone up since then or down.  


My bet is it's gone down. 

Edited by dirtstudent2, 08 November 2017 - 03:57 PM.

#83 Walt Wimer

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:54 PM

First year for the FASTRAK crate Late Models was 2007





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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:58 PM

and back in 2007 the local tracks still have full fields of super late models and continued for many years so there goes your theory that crate racing ruined local super late model racing. As it has been said by people who would know, the cost to race supers is out of control. If you told someone who wasn't involved in racing that you are spending 40 grand on a motor to try to win 1100 a week they would think you were an idiot. In the 90s if a promoter paid 5 grand to win, you would get 40 cars without blinking. Now you can't even get 40 for 20 grand to win at some races. The sport is changed from what it used to be. The sooner you people come to grips with this, the better off you'll be. 

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:10 PM


Until now I have never mentioned Crate racing nor referred to it one time in this thread.  I have expressed thoughts about how I think forcing racers to buy from specific part and services suppliers effects and has effected our local Saturday night points racing.  I also have agreed with what I remember reading on this site about how having weekly special shows hurts local Saturday night points racing.  I have also expressed my feeling that forcing racers to purchase specific parts and services does nothing to help racers, tracks and local racing.


Tracks forcing racers to run in specific classes like the "top three", Emods, different types of stocks and now front wheel drive does nothing to hurt racing, except for the stupidity of each track having slightly different rules.


The cost thing is simple. 


Either you can afford to run quality equipment up front in a class or you cannot.  If your a racer it ain't going to keep you from racing and being beat to crap on here by purveyors of words about how you have no business out there unless you have nice shinny stuff to run.  Adding a class to suit the financial needs of every Tom, Dick, Harry and Sue racer does nothing to help racing,  It does everything though to advance the distribution of participation trophies and line the pockets of those selling parts and services to racers.


I understand the mentality of racers chasing classes to find someplace you fit in and have a decent chance to be successful.   Been there done that.  I also understand a racers love and a life effort of racing and striving to be the best they can with what they have.  And even trying to make a buck in it at at the top of the food chain without a pot to pee in.  Which is harder going after and finding someplace where you can fit in or going for the top knowing your odds of getting their ain't shit?  All these new friggen classes are there for one reason and one reason only and it's not about doing anything good for racing. 


No matter how many races you attend, no matter how much you study the sport and talk to racers, no matter how many tracks you've owned or cars you've owned or supported, no matter how much you have moved your place as a fan towards a glorified racing support position, if the butt of your backside ain't in a race car or has never been in a race car you don't really understand racing and the need to yes even put your life on the line participating and doing your best to win.  And the not understanding, the tricking of mind to think you may understand racing, includes me.  



This response has almost nothing to do with my post, and is quite a bit of verbal hogwash, and if there is a point to it, that point has somehow escaped me.  You don't have to be a race car driver to understand simple economics.  

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 06:25 AM

I laugh because no matter what the talk is about as soon as the word crate get tossed into a conversation, it's over. 1 side all for it, the other all against it.

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