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I have no knowledge of the actual situation at AMP as the track is around 100 miles from here and I have never been there.  However, I do notice much more "fighting" back and forth on this board from members from that area than anywhere else, So maybe Taylor has a point??   Post about anything from AMP, Hummingbird, Marion Center or even Thunder Mountain, which isn't even running,  and right away it becomes a "hot" topic!!   Maybe you guys need to get together and try to help make things better in your part of western PA instead of calling each other and the promoters names all the time!!  

GOOD RACING TO ALL!!!

Walt

I'm going to list every note able thing you have accomplished in your entire life






















Wow !!! That's an impressive list !!! Keep smoking hogs for heroin and you be huge dude !!!

Perhaps noteable?

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What makes you so infatuated with the penis?
(You reference one, in some way, about every third post..... at minimum.)

 
Keep digging ditches, while dreaming of dongs..... in your parent's basement.

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It was posted as $75 for one day:

http://racestud.com/...few-may-attend/

Okay guys this is Sam Eichelberger commenting on what happened.  I've posted my name and car number on here before so I'm not hiding behind a screen name.  I usually don't come on here that often to post and I'm only going to get on here and post once about what happened.  Anyone can feel free to comment or criticize me for what happened, just know I have better things to do than to keep coming on here and arguing with people that I don't know or people who wont say who they are, or people who wont reveal what their involvement in local dirt track racing is.

It was posted on here somewhere that the entry fee was $50 dollars a day.  I do not remember what thread it was on or what the source was, but quite frankly it doesn't matter.  The same question of entry fees came up about a month ago for the RMR race.  A lot of teams complained about the surprise entry fee they owed because they did not sponsor a lap in the race.  Supposedly this information was not shown on any of the advertisements and there was a lot of commotion about it on here.  So in other words, the surprise entry fee is nothing new nor is the tendency for Miley to screw over the people who support his track.

The flyer that was posted in the link by scruffy was uploaded to Miley's facebook page on Friday afternoon.  If you look through the other flyers he used to advertise the race this information was not on there, and if it was please show me because I didn't see it mentioned on any other flyer except the one that was posted a day before the race.  This flyer was posted on his website also, but I cannot comment on when it was posted.  I don't believe it was posted any earlier than Friday afternoon because I didn't see it, but I could be wrong.  Regardless this is what happened.  I was in line to register the car right behind Hodgkis.  The woman says its $100 for both days right now or $75 for today.  What you also didn't see advertised was that if you paid the $75 for the Pittsburgher and then wanted to come back the next day to run the Herb Scott, you owed Miley $50 to enter the race.  So it's $125 if i want to wait til the next day to enter both races compared to $100 if I did it then.  So, what happens if my car gets wrecked beyond repair during the Pittsburgher and I can't run on Sunday?  Well its tough luck you just got screwed out of $25.  Now if the race goes well and I want to race on Sunday, well tough luck now you owe me $50 so I'm being screwed out of $25 again.  So in other words I show up to the track to support your race with my equipment and put on your show and you go ahead and screw me out of every dime you possibly can.  

I then walked up to the ticket booth and asked for the woman to call Miley because I along with a few other people are confused about the entrance fee conditions.  Miley comes down in his truck and his first words to me after I ask him what the deal with the entrance fee is, "you know i'm sick and tired of you guys b****ing about my entry fees when I'm paying out a purse of this size."  Notice that he quickly became defensive and just wanted to pick a fight with me.  He then shows me the flyer on his website and says your not getting your pit pass back and that was it.  He did not conduct himself in a professional manor in which he could have asked me what the confusion was, explain to me where the miscommunication was, and then could have offered to spare me the $15 I needed just so I could get the car registered in time.  I did have a few more people coming to the track so I could have paid him the $15 I owed him later, but they weren't going to come until after hot laps had started in which it would have been too late to register the car.  You would also think that after I came to his race track and supported this event, ran there weekly last year until I blew a motor up, and raced there a few times already this year that he could have worked with me or shown me some kind of gratitude for supporting him in the past, but no he didn't because he is that kind of an a**hole.  After this occurred I loaded up my car and refused to "beg" or "borrow" money to enter my car in his race because if I did I would be supporting this a**hole even more.  I then proceeded to confront him before I left, rip off my wrist band, put it in his face, and said "shove it up your a**, you'll never get a dime out of me again".

So instead of being a decent human being and helping someone out after they had supported your s**t hole of a race track, he had to show his true colors and show why the majority of the people on here believe that he is the utter scum of the earth and complete white trash.

Some of you may say that it would have been worth my while to borrow a few dollars off someone, run the race, get my payout, and leave.  I have more self respect than that and I refuse to do anything that I do not ethically believe is right, plus that is exactly what he expects me to do.  He expects that once you pay his astronomical pit pass that you have to pay his entrance fee and you have no if's and's or but's about it, otherwise your not racing.  So he can come up with any kind of b.s. conditions he wants and you have to put up with it because you have already invested your time and money to tow out to his track and it doesn't make sense for you to turn around now.  Well the way I look at it is, I put on your show and I am your attraction.  Without cars you have no fans, which is surely evident by the turnout in car counts and attendance at his weekly shows.  I decided to tow home and screw him out of my $100 entry fee because I was going to run both Saturday and Sunday.  He also did not get the $45 pit pass from my two other crew members coming later on, and he also did not receive 4 more $45 pit passes for Sundays race.  So yea, my dad and I threw away a total of $90 on Saturday, but Miley lost out on $370.  He also lost out on us having two cars out at his track every week next year.  Also, trust me I'm not hurting for $15 or using the grocery money to go racing, I'm a mechanical engineer and I do quite well for myself.  I just didn't have the cash I needed on me due to a misunderstanding and I sure as hell wasn't going to give it to that pr*ck after the way he treated me.  Also, when you ask every track official you run into what the deal with the entrance fees and the pit passes are, they all say, "we know, its nothing new, we're just doing what we're told."  By the way it doesn't say what it pays to start the Pittsburgher or the Herb Scott on that flyer.

Oh by the way, Matt told me he doesn't put anything on racestud and he doesn't come on here.  So Matt just in case you don't come on here to read this I will email it to you with my phone number and we can discuss how you are the biggest a**hole that I've ever ran into in my life.  

Sharing this from my facebook.

We all have memories from our childhood. Whether it was family vacations, going to school, or eagerly awaiting a visit from Kris Kringle every December 25th. For me, most of my childhood memories that I look back fondly on in someway involve dirt track racing. My parents started taking me to Pittsburgh's Pennsylvania Motor Speedway when I was very young. From then on, I have been totally in love with the sport. I am proud to say that I have encountered droves and droves of quality, outstanding people in the sport. Some of my very dear close friendships were born at the track. 

I usually refrain myself from even posting on racestud anymore but I had to on this thread. For you to say the cars that wrecked (69 and 75) took Russ King out is an untrue statement. Watch the video yourself, Russ was coming into 3 when the 69 hit the wall. The 75 had nowhere to do because the 3D drove him into the wreck then Russ came in full blast never even lifted. Nobody goes out there to destroy their car or other peoples equipment. I happen to be friends with the driver of the 75 and I know he is not out there to wreck or cost the leader the race. As far as calling them clowns in the back, we should appreciate anyone who uses their OWN MONEY and TIME to field a car to go out and race. Not everyone can be the next Bloomquist but I enjoy watching everyone who goes out and gives me as a fan a show to watch. Without these people you would have 10 cars to watch race instead of the 24 who were there yesterday. This message board is a small sampling of what the issue is in the world today. Everyone wants to b*tch and complain and put others down. I want to thank everyone who showed up this past weekend to give me the fan a show to watch.

Our goal at Thunder Mountain is to restore the Pure Stock class to its original form. Car counts have been low because we will not allow cars outside of our rules to participate. I have had many opportunities to tell a driver to “just add weight” or “run it this week and then fix it” This will never happen as long as BLM is operating any facility. Transponders cost anywhere from $10 a night rental, $150 for a year, and up to $500 to buy one outright. This may keep a few guys away as well. This is my take however.

I will never allow the following in our facility for Pure Stocks.

Triple Disk Clutch $649.99 Duel Plane Intake $231.99 Holley Vacuum secondary 4 barrel carburetor $421.99 

Total $1,303.97                          this price is through www.speedwaymotors.com

These prices will continue to add.

Pure Stock drivers at Thunder Mountain Speedway will enjoy building for at least $1,303.97 less and still run for the same exact money if not more than other tracks in the area. On top of this they will also feel comforted knowing they are running against legit cars that do not have the high dollar mods that this class has squeezed itself into. This will all take time for drivers to want to spend less to achieve the same pay and satisfaction they get while spending bigger money. It’s time I’m willing to spend teching and cleaning up this class for those that want to get into the sport or continue at a lower budget. This is an “Entry Level” class for most. The last thing I want to do is detour a new driver away from the sport because natural human error keeps making mistakes in my line up. I will pick professionalism over unneeded expense every time.

A high school teenager delivering pizza on average makes $5 a delivery; after two delivery’s his transponder is paid for that week.

To run all that high dollar aftermarket parts it will take 261 deliveries on average.

What device do you think is killing car counts?

We went to the test and tune today and it was my first time at Hummingbird, what a surprise !! I have often read post on racestud about how bad this was or that was.  Well I have been to my share of tracks in my life and Hummingbird was a breath of fresh air. I paid $25.00 for the car and we were all in free ! that was in the pits not the stands ! The place is a neat little dirt track that a true Dirt track lover should take a trip to and enjoy old time dirt racing on a bullring.  The track crew were over the top and make you feel at home.  The owner is a nice older gentleman who rides around on his golf cart and stops at each car and thanks you for being there, Back in the day a guy in Sarver did the same thing ! I would like to take the time to Thank them for the nice time.

*Bad spelling and piss poor grammar intended*

Yesterday:

This is the best track ever!

I've been there every Friday since the track opened.

What time do gates open?

I hope Tony Stewart comes.

Are the rain checks I have from 1987 still good?

Did yinz cancel the races yet?

Will Danny Holtzgraver have his new shirts for sale?

Can I bring my own cooler of Natural Ice?

Today:

Racing/track prep/order of events at Learnerville was rediculous last night blah blah blah

They're running the place into the ground blah blah blah

Gary should be fired blah blah blah

Don Martin is rolling in his grave blah blah blah

I'm never going back blah blah blah

Next Friday:

This is the best track ever!

I've been there every Friday since the track opened.

What time do gates open?

Are the rain checks I have from 1987 still good?

Did yinz cancel the races yet?

Can I bring my own cooler of Natural Ice?

Read every comment as:  "I have nothing better to do than constantly seek attention from strangers on racestud by making pointless posts and complaining about things that I have no idea no clue the f*ck I'm talking about, but hopefully a bunch of people will reply so I can make more rediculous comments back in response to theirs"

Further, a "hoastage" situation is when someone is threatening your life, you physically cannot leave without risking your life.

The All Stars determined the order of events last night, not the track.  They should have run the All Star qualifying, then support hot laps, then sprint heats, then stock heats, then dash & B, then Mods heat, then Sprint A, then support A's, but they didn't.  If the worst thing you had to do was spend an extra hour at the track last night, I bet anyone in a true "hoastage" situation would gladly trade you places. 

It's called Red Bull, by two cans, go to work, and please shut, the hell, up!

I don't normaly like to respond to theise post but they seem to get read. This whole concept is just a bad idea. Crate motors take the sport out of racing to say the least.The fun and challenge of dirt racing is trying to hook up your car more than the other guy. Theise motors are "smooth" because they make little power, my little brothers harbor freight go kart motor has more excitement than a 604, and its only 100 bucks,I see the need to cut cost in racing to keep it going but this is not the answer. The motors are not the direct problem,If you could limit the suspension and or tire you can't use large H.P. This goes for all classes.The 602 and 604 was a bad idea from the get go, they just don't have enough smoke. Equalized low power causes teams to spend large dollars on exotic chassis,drivetrain,and suspension.I do not know why other alternatives were not looked at? not that I support a Manufacture takeover but why was something like GM525 not looked at ? A motor like this has way more to offer ALL Classes of dirt racing.Other  manufacturers now offer similar motors that are afordable and still keep you on your toes.But back to limit how the cars can hook up then you did limit the motor--- take note of the sportsman class, it has some of the best competition because of the limited rear suspension(double triangulated 4 link)Single line racing,running against the rev chip,and tires that will not spin does not sound like good racing for fans or drivers . This concept of everyone is equal got this country in trouble and now its getting racing in trouble........just my two cents

Jon you might be on to something here actually.  There are more "cadets" then SLM at Lernerville already, and PPMS dropped SLM on a weekly basis and kept "Cadets" as well.  Given how close your SLM lap times were to those front running "Cadets" when you did run PPMS last year maybe you should consider making the move to a full time "Cadet" driver!

What business does this have on a racing message board??   Email this to your friends, but leave it off of here!!!

Walt

This is my take on this situation. I am not a fan of Tonys other than the fact that he does alot for the sport of dirt racing, and for that I thank him. I have been around racing for the better part of my life, and there are a few things that I think people are overlooking here.

I would be willing to bet that Tony had no Idea that he even caused a wreck, because as far as I can tell, very little, if any contact was made. It was nothing more than a slide job that happens at most sprint car races about 100 times a night. Tony did impeade his line, and at this point, Kevin has the choice to back off and give up the spot, or stand in the gas and try to power back around him. He did as 9 out of 10 racers of his experience level are going to do, and that is stand in the gas . The car jumps the cushion and contacts the wall as a result, and as far as I am concered it is nobodys fault but his own that he wrecks in this situation. It was a pretty mild slide job, as slide jobs go in this sport.

The kid had no business getting as upset with Tony as he was, and as I said before, I bet Tony didn't realize that Kevin had wrecked or that he would be charging at his briskly moving sprint car (yes, they are still going probably 60 to 70 mph under caution at this point). Tony was just driving normally around the track and getting the car slowed down for the caution, and there is this guy standing in the track flipping him off.

If you know anything about sprint cars, you know that they don't change direction very well with the steering wheel. The car has two gigantic rear tires conected to a solid axle with about 10 to 14 inches of stagger (left rear smaller than the right rear to make the car turn left) depending on track conditions, and two tiny little steering tires that do very little to change the cars direction at caution speeds. Ask any sprint car driver and they will tell you that you steer these cars with the throttle, and this is much more effective at racing speed than caution speed. Even if Tony did see Kevin, he would have a very hard time avoiding him. Even hitting the brakes in these cars is not going to help because most of the time it is a three wheel brake system that is designed to set the car sideways in a turn, not to stop you quick.

If you watch the video, you only see when Tony has already got to where Kevin is standing, which is very low on the track, because he thought the 45 car was Tony and he was running toward it. You can see when he realizes that wasn't Tony, he starts to work his way back up the track as he sees Tony coming, but it is too late. You see Tonys wheels go to the right, because they hit Kevin first and jerked the wheels to the right. Back to the thing about knowing race cars, your foot is enclosed in the gas pedal on these cars in case the throttle sticks, you have a chance to pull up on the pedal and unstick it. You hear Tony get in the gas for sure, but this after the car makes contact with Kevin, abrubtly slowing the car, causing Tony to lunge forward and push the gas pedal, which on a racing engine with no flywheel is more like a light switch than an actual gas pedal. It takes vey little throttle pedal movement to cause a big rpm change in these cars.

Anyways, Tony is what alot of people say, a hotheaded punk at times, but I have a hard time believing that he would go as far as to intentionaly run down a felow competitor. This was a result of a poor decision by a young and enthusiastic competitor acting in the heat of the moment, and unfortunately, it cost him the ultimate price. Seeing this passion expressed night in and night out is what keeps race fans butts in the seats. Unfortunately, in this instance, a life was lost in the process. My prayers go out to the families of Kevin Ward Jr., and to Tony Stewart as well. This is a black eye on a storied carreer and a sport that I love, that I'm not so sure either deserves. RIP and Godspeed Kevin Ward Jr.

I took this at Thunder Mountain.

Think it's a little overloaded??

The people you mentioned chased off the people who actually wanted to talk racing. 

You have to work on your cars boys. We ain't drag racing. 2 straits and 6 corners ( entry middle and exit ) 6 is more than 2. I don't do motors. I do springs.shocks. tires and %.