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[pcpower81]

The minisprints will be paying 400 to win and 60 to start this weekend. I know theres a MMSA race not to far away but after the great racing last time with 21 cars hopefully some will return for some great racing

[hoosier race fan]

This made absolutely no sense to schedule against the MMSA at Montpelier. They had 9 cars and Waynesfield had 7. All it did was hurt car counts at both tracks. Maybe trying to work together and using common sense would have been a better idea. On that subject, Montpelier has had their "Monster Mash" Halloween race for 5 years, and for some reason this year Waynesfield decides to schedule a race the same day. Stupid. Why not just race at Waynesfield the week before instead of ruining an opportunity to get a good crowd and car count for both tracks? Probably makes too much sense to do that.

[jackofalltrades]

This made absolutely no sense to schedule against the MMSA at Montpelier. They had 9 cars and Waynesfield had 7. All it did was hurt car counts at both tracks. Maybe trying to work together and using common sense would have been a better idea. On that subject, Montpelier has had their "Monster Mash" Halloween race for 5 years, and for some reason this year Waynesfield decides to schedule a race the same day. Stupid. Why not just race at Waynesfield the week before instead of ruining an opportunity to get a good crowd and car count for both tracks? Probably makes too much sense to do that.

So what you mean is schedule all races around MMSA? If Dean did that he wouldn't even need to run them! But if I heard right most of the guys were going to KC for $500 , So to drive 3 hrs for $100 more to win @ KC or 1.5 hr to Montpelier and spend how much more in gas, talk about using common sense (WOW)

[slide22]

So what you mean is schedule all races around MMSA? If Dean did that he wouldn't even need to run them! But if I heard right most of the guys were going to KC for $500 , So to drive 3 hrs for $100 more to win @ KC or 1.5 hr to Montpelier and spend how much more in gas, talk about using common sense (WOW)

KC is closer for most of the guys that were there. Plus its a better track, and $100 to start, $50 for hard charger, and $100 extra for top 600.

[Need for Speed]

This made absolutely no sense to schedule against the MMSA at Montpelier. They had 9 cars and Waynesfield had 7. All it did was hurt car counts at both tracks. Maybe trying to work together and using common sense would have been a better idea. On that subject, Montpelier has had their "Monster Mash" Halloween race for 5 years, and for some reason this year Waynesfield decides to schedule a race the same day. Stupid. Why not just race at Waynesfield the week before instead of ruining an opportunity to get a good crowd and car count for both tracks? Probably makes too much sense to do that.

I guess all tracks should wait for Montpelier's schedule to come out before they do anything from now on.

WRP has run Mini Sprints since the place opened.

Edited by Need for Speed, 30 May 2010 - 08:00 AM.

[Need for Speed]

Where are the 600s that used to run at WRP? There has to be some people who didn't jump up to a 1000cc engine...why are they not still going to WRP and getting the weight break? IMO, the 1000's are more enjoyable to watch, and the week they had 21 or 22 cars it was a great show. But if these car owners/drivers don't get their act together, this 8 cars a night stuff ain't gonna fly....and everybody knows what happens then Even if the almighty Montpelier hadn't been running Minis, and WRP picked up those cars last night, that still is a smallish car count.

Edited by Need for Speed, 30 May 2010 - 07:58 AM.

[Dr. Speedy]

We were pitted beside some mini sprints at MontP. last night and they said the points leaders were at Mont.P. Yes it was kind of weird, entertaining, but weird.

[hoosier race fan]

I said absolutely nothing about Waynesfield having to schedule around Montpelier. I said they need to work together. I know, it's a foreign concept for some of you to understand. I talked to the MMSA Director and he said Dean did not have the mini-sprints on the schedule at Waynesfield for last night when the race was made at Montpelier, but changed it creating the conflict. He knew the MMSA was at Montpelier and scheduled them anyway, which is what makes no sense to me. If they had already been on Waynesfield's schedule then they would have picked a different date to come to Montpelier. They picked that date because it was a night when they wouldn't be running at Waynesfield and there would be no conflict. I shouldn't be shocked though to see a schedule change from Waynesfield. It doesn't matter now because it's already done and the MMSA won't be back at Montpelier this season. It just shows me that they don't care about the racers or the fans if they knowingly do things that will reduce the car count.

[Need for Speed]

I said absolutely nothing about Waynesfield having to schedule around Montpelier. I said they need to work together. I know, it's a foreign concept for some of you to understand. I talked to the MMSA Director and he said Dean did not have the mini-sprints on the schedule at Waynesfield for last night when the race was made at Montpelier, but changed it creating the conflict. He knew the MMSA was at Montpelier and scheduled them anyway, which is what makes no sense to me. If they had already been on Waynesfield's schedule then they would have picked a different date to come to Montpelier. They picked that date because it was a night when they wouldn't be running at Waynesfield and there would be no conflict. I shouldn't be shocked though to see a schedule change from Waynesfield. It doesn't matter now because it's already done and the MMSA won't be back at Montpelier this season. It just shows me that they don't care about the racers or the fans if they knowingly do things that will reduce the car count.

I sure hope you are doing the same type of crying about 'not working together', on a KC Raceway message board. As 'Slide22' posted, KC ran minis last night for more money...closer to a large group of folks that normally run in the MMSA, which equals much more competition for cars than WRP running an open comp night. Otherwise, you are simply crying about Waynesfield running their own operation.

Dean has, and does work with promoters of several different tracks...tracks and sanctioning bodies from different states even. It's not a new concept to him.

Edited by Need for Speed, 30 May 2010 - 05:04 PM.

[hoosier race fan]

I sure hope you are doing the same type of crying about 'not working together', on a KC Raceway message board. As 'Slide22' posted, KC ran minis last night for more money...closer to a large group of folks that normally run in the MMSA, which equals much more competition for cars than WRP running an open comp night. Otherwise, you are simply crying about Waynesfield running their own operation.

Dean has, and does work with promoters of several different tracks...tracks and sanctioning bodies from different states even. It's not a new concept to him.

I've already had that conversation with Bill May, director of the MMSA. 2 series that sanction the same cars in the same area makes no sense and just thins the car count, as it did last night. So don't think I singled out the infallible Waynesfield. (note: infallible means that you are not capable of doing anything wrong.) Waynesfield can run all the open competition nights for mini-sprints they want, but don't be surprised when you get 7 cars like last night. If some common sense had been taken into consideration, last night wouldn't have been a smart night to race them knowing there were already 2 races that would pull most of the cars.

Edited by hoosier race fan, 30 May 2010 - 11:55 PM.

[Need for Speed]

hoosier race fan: You just don't get it!!

WRP had 8 cars.

You are blaming WRP for Montpelier's sorry car count, when WRP had 8 cars that are regulars/locals!

The real problem is (and I'm not blaming the drivers/car owners that were at WRP or Montpelier) where the hell are the mini sprints??

IIRC Dean, was told if he went up to 1000cc, the car count would go way up.

If KC had 22, WRP had 8, and Montpelier had 9, that's only 39 cars.

Even if all the cars from WRP would have towed to Montpelier, they would have only had 17. IMO that's a sad car count for a supposed 'major sanctioning body' whose only competition is having a race 3.5 hours away.

I saw your same crying/WRP bashing post on IOW. It's kinda sad that you can't just say 'Hey, I was disappointed that Montpelier only had 9 cars', instead of blaming anything/everything that goes wrong at Montpelier on WRP and Dean Miracle.

If your location is Gas City, IN as you claim on IOW, you have a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday night racetrack within 40 minutes of downtown Gas City.....why do you even care what happens at WRP, 2 hours away?.

[B-RAD RACING SUPPLIES]

Well said!!!!!!!!!!! And yes this was a sad count, it needs to come up ...... I put a suit up for attendance and to know that it is up to just a hand full of guys for the drawling wow I would have never figured this , I'm disappointed ..... If I see a good count for a couple of week (not counting MMSA shows) I'll put up some cash to bring the purse up but we need to see 16+ B-Rad

[wing44]

Well said!!!!!!!!!!!
And yes this was a sad count, it needs to come up ...... I put a suit up for attendance and to know that it is up to just a hand full of guys for the drawling wow I would have never figured this , I'm disappointed .....

If I see a good count for a couple of week (not counting MMSA shows) I'll put up some cash to bring the purse up but we need to see 16+

B-Rad

if you all stop your bitc-n and complaining and get off your lazy azzzz and buy your kids 1000cc mini sprints we would have good car counts. if you personally cant help with building car counts.shut up and watch the rest of the classes that are running. i dont like the small car count either but we still show our support for all classes running.

[hoosier race fan]

hoosier race fan: You just don't get it!!

WRP had 8 cars.

You are blaming WRP for Montpelier's sorry car count, when WRP had 8 cars that are regulars/locals!

The real problem is (and I'm not blaming the drivers/car owners that were at WRP or Montpelier) where the hell are the mini sprints??

IIRC Dean, was told if he went up to 1000cc, the car count would go way up.

If KC had 22, WRP had 8, and Montpelier had 9, that's only 39 cars.

Even if all the cars from WRP would have towed to Montpelier, they would have only had 17. IMO that's a sad car count for a supposed 'major sanctioning body' whose only competition is having a race 3.5 hours away.

I saw your same crying/WRP bashing post on IOW. It's kinda sad that you can't just say 'Hey, I was disappointed that Montpelier only had 9 cars', instead of blaming anything/everything that goes wrong at Montpelier on WRP and Dean Miracle.

If your location is Gas City, IN as you claim on IOW, you have a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday night racetrack within 40 minutes of downtown Gas City.....why do you even care what happens at WRP, 2 hours away?.

If you had actually read my post on IOW, you would notice that I did not blame it only on Miracle. I said it's pretty sad, but that's what you get when promotors/series directors, which would include MMSA, AMSA, and Dean, don't work together.

You are right about 1 thing though. I do live in Gas City where I have the opportunity to see 3 tracks within about 40 minutes of my home. What I also see is 3 tracks that have the ability to work together and do things to help each other. For example, this Saturday Gas City is racing their annual motorcycle race. Rather than race on the same night, Montpelier is racing on Friday night with non-wing sprint cars. Gas City is encouraging their cars to go there since they are not competing with them. The three tracks often work together to bring in a series to each track on the same weekend so they can make it worth the expense of those teams to travel.

You may not care about any track but Waynesfield, and that is fine. But I'm not ignorant enough to think that just because it is over an hour away that it doesn't have an impact on a track like Montpelier. If you still don't get it, think about this scenario. On Saturday, Waynesfield is racing non-wing sprint cars. Montpelier has them on the schedule for Friday night. How do you think Miracle would feel if Montpelier decided to change their program back to Saturday night, directly competing with Waynesfield? It would split the car count at both tracks and certainly cut into the number of fans that would have been at both tracks. I don't work for Montpelier, but I am smart enough to know that small car counts and small crowds mean less money taken in by the track. If you want to see your track closed, then only focus on yourself and continue to wonder why your car count sucks. In this economy, it makes a lot more sense to work together. Isn't the goal to bring in as many cars and fans as possible, and put on a good show to get them back next week? I'm not interested in a pissing match, but you are obviously too asinine or ignorant to understand.

[Need for Speed]

Look 'hrf', the only reason you have ever posted on the WRP board is so you can rip on the WRP track, whoever is running it, or the WRP schedule...unless you are hustling something for Montpelier of course.

I've been around racing quite a long time, and spent 20 seasons 'in the seat'. Not to mention paying the bills, and turning wrenches during that time.

I've been to over 30 different tracks, in 5 different states. I've watched 20 different types of racing machines on dirt, pavement, road courses (both temp. and permanent) and indoors. Please don't kid yourself into thinking I just started going to the races last year, and that I have only ever been to Waynesfield!

Montpelier doesn't usually run non-wing sprint cars do they?............ But there sure are some Friday, Saturday and Sunday night, non-wing strongholds in the state of IN. They all have competed against USAC at one time or another for cars...

I'm sure all these tracks/promoters talk to each other, and try not to step on each others toes (ever heard of the Dirt Track Promoters Workshops held in the winter time?) However, there comes a time, where you have to stand up for yourself, and make your own schedule.

WRP had 8 Mini Sprint owners/drivers who preferred to run there, rather than tow to Montpelier and run an MMSA sanctioned event. Maybe the MMSA 'boss' should contact those guys, and find out why.

BTW, a couple of the guys on IOW explained to you that there is a shortage of Mini Sprint sized wings right now, and that some of the 'regular' cars have been crashed, and are in need of new wings before they can run again. So, there is another reason for a low car count. And, let's not forget it is a Holiday weekend. Some folks put family before racing, and there isn't a thing wrong with that.

There is a big picture out there hrf...and there are many reasons that the pits and the stands are sometimes thin (you personally mentioned the economy....take a little time, and actually think about that for a minute). Unfortunatly, you will never see that big picture, if you can't get past playing 'the blame game' against WRP and/or Dean Miracle.

Edited by Need for Speed, 31 May 2010 - 10:03 PM.

[skip]

Dean worked pretty hard on putting a schedule together. Its hard to compete with eldora and fremont on sat night and others. There is no where in ohio where you can see a non winged show beside usac as much as Dean runs them on a regular basis. He has been getting some good car counts. Wrp has been running non wing since it opened, i remember at first there were only 2 cars. Since then it has grown into a good show and count. The only thing i can say the minis and compacs are only hurting themselfs if the count doesnt come up. As far as the racing in both class,s i would have to say they put on a decent show. Just support what ever track you choose to go to and enjoy the racing.

[hoosier race fan]

Look 'hrf', the only reason you have ever posted on the WRP board is so you can rip on the WRP track, whoever is running it, or the WRP schedule...unless you are hustling something for Montpelier of course.

I've been around racing quite a long time, and spent 20 seasons 'in the seat'. Not to mention paying the bills, and turning wrenches during that time.

I've been to over 30 different tracks, in 5 different states. I've watched 20 different types of racing machines on dirt, pavement, road courses (both temp. and permanent) and indoors. Please don't kid yourself into thinking I just started going to the races last year, and that I have only ever been to Waynesfield!

Montpelier doesn't usually run non-wing sprint cars do they?............ But there sure are some Friday, Saturday and Sunday night, non-wing strongholds in the state of IN. They all have competed against USAC at one time or another for cars...

I'm sure all these tracks/promoters talk to each other, and try not to step on each others toes (ever heard of the Dirt Track Promoters Workshops held in the winter time?) However, there comes a time, where you have to stand up for yourself, and make your own schedule.

WRP had 8 Mini Sprint owners/drivers who preferred to run there, rather than tow to Montpelier and run an MMSA sanctioned event. Maybe the MMSA 'boss' should contact those guys, and find out why.

BTW, a couple of the guys on IOW explained to you that there is a shortage of Mini Sprint sized wings right now, and that some of the 'regular' cars have been crashed, and are in need of new wings before they can run again. So, there is another reason for a low car count. And, let's not forget it is a Holiday weekend. Some folks put family before racing, and there isn't a thing wrong with that.

There is a big picture out there hrf...and there are many reasons that the pits and the stands are sometimes thin (you personally mentioned the economy....take a little time, and actually think about that for a minute). Unfortunatly, you will never see that big picture, if you can't get past playing 'the blame game' against WRP and/or Dean Miracle.

I'm not blaming only Dean. Read what I have said in every post I've made about this. I know there are many factors that affect the number of cars that race at every track in the country. Economy, wrecked race cars, lack of supplies to fix them (or money to buy them), holiday weekend, poor weather, and a laundry list of other factors have an impact on who rolls in the gate on Saturday night. The entire purpose of what I have said is to point out that it makes no sense to add another factor that has a negative affect on cars and fans in attendance. I don't expect Dean to make his schedule based on what everyone else is doing, but in what way did making the change to add mini-sprints last Saturday benefit him and Waynesfield? I guarantee the 8 cars and fans that came with them didn't bring in enough money to even pay the $400 to the winner, so it was a financially poor decision.

Trust me, I have thought about the economy. I lost my job 2 weeks ago, and it is all I have thought about since being given a RIF by my school corportation. Racing is my getaway, and has been for my entire life, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm passionate about it and want to help make it the best it can be. All I've been trying to say in my "whining" is that there are enough things stacked against a successful race program right now that promotors and series directors don't need to add to it. In the large scheme of things this means very little, and I know that. It's not going to stop me from attending Waynesfield in the future. I would just like to see some consideration and common sense used when it comes to scheduling from ALL promotors so racers, crews, and fans can all enjoy some great racing long into the future. I don't want to see any of the tracks we have mentioned end up with gates closed for good.

Edited by hoosier race fan, 31 May 2010 - 10:52 PM.

[pcpower81]

not sure about the shortage of minisprint top wings but we tore one up a couple weeks ago and lightning got one out the door for me in less than a week. also talked to HRP since they have a 16sq top wing in thier new catalog... its not quite ready yet i guess but when it is it will be a top quality piece and i would assume very readily available. they have the 12sq anf the front wings ready now.

[Austin]

The reason the Indiana tracks can schedule against USAC is because they have 30-60 cars a week at EVERY track. Not all of those cars are going to go to a USAC show when they know they have a slim chance at winning. Its the same thing when WoO comes into Ohio. The smaller teams go run elsewhere so that they can have fun and most likely make the feature. The mini sprints would get good car counts if they would stop scheduling against each other. The only tracks that run minis that would make the trip to Waynesfield are KC, Lawrenceburg, Montpelier, and 35 Raceway. That would seem to work if they could run a small series between the tracks.

[dkdorkboy]

I saw on the Indiana open wheel board that Bill May of MMSA said the 3 Waynesfield dates are canceled.