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My whole point in this is nothing against either track but you have Eldora and Lima who have a long racing history with the stock cars and you have two tracks one that has a great racing history but trying to get it going again, Then waynesfield every one knows that they have been having a problem of getting fans in the stands and going thru people to run it. with both of them just going back with the stock cars and trying to get a good car count why not go with the DOT,s so you can draw cars from Eldora and Lima and get a good field of cars going with out having to change tires. get both programs going with a strong field of cars then make a change to hoosiers maybe next yr get a good field of regulars showing every week. Findlay with the Rowes you know what has happened in the past yrs and they could pull the plug at any time on Dean i hope im wrong. Wrp has pulled stock cars before , but with greg i think he will stick it out with the stocks. Of the 20 people at Wrp who voted for hoosiers the only one i know of is Tim, Who were the others?? Will they show to race? If you can get 20 cars it would make for a good show. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it plays out with Findlay and Wrp. I think Lima will get about all their regulars and some more ive heard coming in. Lima and Eldora can take a hit with a bad night a little easier than WRP and Findlay can. I hope Dean and Greg Shobe pull it off they are two great guys and places to race . The main thing is i would like to see some good car counts at all 4 tracks, we are very lucky to have 4 tracks so close together with some good racing at every track.

[Dirtracer48]

Great points, and I definitely see your point of view on things. We're actually saying the same things, from different perspectives - we both want to run our home tracks tires everywhere. I don't really want to have to keep a set of DOT tires I seldom will use mounted up either. It used to be that Lima, Eldora, and Findlay were all "married" together and shared the same support divisions and rules. Millstream tanked, and Waynesfield came into existence faster than it took the guys at millstream to fix their electric boxes. I've always been a huge fan of the home divisions of these three tracks. Millstream has always been my favorite, and home track....even though like I said, historically they all ran the same program. It was the first place I ever saw a race, first place I ever got to race anything, etc. There are a lot more reasons that the place will always be "home" for me other than it being just a few miles from my driveway. Millstream can't get enough stocks, or trucks on their own without mixing the division. So....they've mixed rules, and IMO the only way the stocks are neck and neck with the trucks, are allowing the dirt tires. Trucks still have an advantage of an open tire rule while we're on the hoosier spec, but I think it will match them up nicely. I look forward to racing with them. Waynesfield - I'd guess the best way to guess how things will go would be to take a look back at how the change affected the trucks. Maybe some of the truck guys can weigh in. How did they perform? Was the cost beneficial, or a negative for you? I'm personally glad we can run the dirt tires there, but understand why others wouldn't due to their home tracks rules. If Findlay decided to make the stocks run DOT tires, I'd personally drive past the place to go to waynesfield every week. My friends and I are going to run all of findlay's schedule, and do as much of waynesfield as we can. I know a couple will run every single race, and I am going to try as much as time and finances allow. Lima - Yeah, we've all seen some bad calls, and a lot have gotten a bad attitude for questioning it. Keith, I hear ya on the stupid stuff like the tin too far out from the door, inspection panel, etc. Been there, argued that, and lost. For the most part I think they do a pretty good job, but some of it is a bit nitpicking stupid. If you don't like it......well, we went someplace else. The main reason I dislike lima (now that the track conditions are pretty good), other than inconsistency of calls, is the fact that......well, I just suck there. I crash about every time I've tried, have one A-main start in about 15 tries (hey, they got a lot of cars back then). No luck, and a lot of torn up stuff. Not the tracks problem, and to be honest if it were as close to home as findlay, we'd be there every week. That said, there are a ton of positives about the place, one of the best facilities in the US, and as a spectator a GREAT place to watch a race. Never seen a single bad 410 race there, and the regular divisions are great too. Eldora - NO DOUBT some of the best anywhere run Lima and Eldora. Only ran there a couple times, but LOVED the place. I hope to go there a couple times this year too. I don't have the budget or time for maintenance to run more than one track full schedule though. Back on the tires - I wonder if cost new were the same as an average DOT tire, if people would feel differently about going to a spec dirt tire at ALL of the local tracks mentioned above. You know my stance, but Tony Stewart and UNOH have enough pull to likely get a pretty fair price by making the tracks have their spec tires. Other rules that were brought up. 4 barrels- No way. It puts the low buck guys too far at a disadvantage. How so "when you can buy the high dollar c&s willys thousand dollar two barrels?" I wont lie - I have a pretty strong motor for my car this year, and I have one of those kick ass high dollar 2 barrels. Per my engine builder, bolting on an off the rack chinese proform 750 4bbl will instantly add 75-100hp to what I am running. It will benefit the bigger motors the most, and that's not right in my opinion. Even fully worked, a 4412 base carb keeps a lot of the motors closer than they would be otherwise. Bert transmissions - Either let people run a race transmission, or don't. The rule of "any modified factory transmission" is stupid. This causes people to spend MUCH more money, to be legal. Direct drive powerglides are effective, but junk. I managed to break two of them in 6 laps. I vowed to never run one again. A GOOD clutch setup and cost 500-700 bucks, works pretty well. Or, you can do what a lot of guys have done, and have a bert transmission built in a saginaw or muncie case. It's not illegal, it is currently the best and most reliable competitive transmission. I've heard the cost of these can be upwards of 1400 bucks a copy. I've seen nice used Bert transmissions that actually say BERT on them (which makes them illegal) for $700. Half the price of the same, or lesser quality of the GM based bert transmissions. The only advantage of an actual bert transmission is cost, and reliability. Make them legal! Shocks - Why not allow aluminum body with the weight rule? Good used market for them, and they're rebuildable. I have a good sized tub full of aluminum shocks from the sprint in the garage, but I had to spend more money to order two new steel ones to replace the junk ones on the rear of my car. The advantage is cheaper cost used, and rebuildability. PS, I'd LOVE for lima/eldora/findlay to all be a happy family with the same divisions and rules again sometime.

Edited by Dirtracer48, 26 March 2011 - 01:00 AM.

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Dirtracer48 When the stocks ran against the trucks at Findlay last yr were the stocks on DOT,s? I missed the show at findlay and the stock and truck show at lima, I would of thought that the trucks were proably on hoosiers and stocks on DOT,s. I would like to see WRP allow the stocks to make a choice either DOTs or Hoosier and see how things go. If the hoosier boys start beating the dots then maybe some would say MMM time for a switch or maybe the other way around. The main thing is get some good car counts. Let the tire war begin allow them to run what you brung and see how the track surface holds up. What kind of tires on the stocks do they run on at Montpelier?? This could be a good test for maybe allowing maybe Lima or Eldora to run either hoosiers or dots at the same time. I feel bad about starting this post now but it has been interesting reading the comments with out a bunch of people bitching at each other. For some one just starting out its a good way to learn some thing. Are the rules getting so tight in all divisions that its like nascar not allowing any room for some creative set ups?

Edited by skip, 26 March 2011 - 03:30 AM.

[AK1]

Dirtracer48
When the stocks ran against the trucks at Findlay last yr were the stocks on DOT,s? I missed the show at findlay and the stock and truck show at lima, I would of thought that the trucks were proably on hoosiers and stocks on DOT,s. I would like to see WRP allow the stocks to make a choice either DOTs or Hoosier and see how things go. If the hoosier boys start beating the dots then maybe some would say MMM time for a switch or maybe the other way around. The main thing is get some good car counts. Let the tire war begin allow them to run what you brung and see how the track surface holds up. What kind of tires on the stocks do they run on at Montpelier?? This could be a good test for maybe allowing maybe Lima or Eldora to run either hoosiers or dots at the same time.

I feel bad about starting this post now but it has been interesting reading the comments with out a bunch of people bitching at each other. For some one just starting out its a good way to learn some thing.

Are the rules getting so tight in all divisions that its like nascar not allowing any room for some creative set ups?

The Hoosiers are not mandatory at WRP or Millstream.

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I guess ill ask so there isn't any confusion. Do you have to run dot tires on all four OR Hoosiers on all four? OR, are you permitted to mix and match? This question is for WRP only ofcourse. The only reason I asked the question on here is because if the answer is posted, hopefully most drivers attending WRP will be informed before opening night. (Gosh 5 more grueling weeks). Thanks again guys for being adults on the topic and giving your opinions without downtalking others. Jeremy

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If i would of known they were not mandatory i proably wouldnt of started the thread i thought it was. Me bad. So let the tire war begin and we will see what performes best. Jeremy i think some of the sprints do mix and match dont they? I think i have some pics with 360,s having Hoosiers on the rear and a goodyear on the right front. Do some maybe feel the goodyear keeps the front end from pushing better and the Hoosier maybe lets the rear be a little more free just a thought. Now here we go again why do they mix and match like this, Ive seen a few like this. I,ll have to look at my outlaw pics and see if they allow it.

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Edited by skip, 26 March 2011 - 04:52 PM.

[racing is life]

are you kidding me skip,anytime is a good time to talk about anything racing when were in an off season. I also would like to thank everyone who acted like true professnals on here without the calling out and name slinging and down grading. just remember anytime you have something negitive to say,it brings everyone down, and those people who live in glass houses should not throw stones! God Bless and let the racing begin!!!!!!

[Dirtracer48]

Yes, they're optional and I imagine they could be mix and matched any way you'd like.

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Like i said i think we need some good weather first.

Edited by skip, 27 March 2011 - 05:29 AM.

[intimidator 1]

Whats the difference, you will only get 6 to 10 cars at either track. There may have been 20 drivers show up, but pay no money (WRP) or racing on Sun after racing fri and or sat will kill it. Lima pays more money then anyone, and Eldora is prestigious to race at.

[AK1]

Whats the difference, you will only get 6 to 10 cars at either track. There may have been 20 drivers show up, but pay no money (WRP) or racing on Sun after racing fri and or sat will kill it. Lima pays more money then anyone, and Eldora is prestigious to race at.

WRP is paying all classes. You might not like the payout, but I don't think you're being fair telling people there's no payout.

If anyone is curious about what we are paying the stock cars, our payouts are posted at www.waynesfieldracewaypark.com.

The payouts in all classes are subject to increase as the season progresses, so keep an eye on our website for details.

[skinnykenny]

From what we saw last year, the $$ paid at Waynesfield has absolutely NOTHING to do with the number of cars that will show up. $5000 to win modified show only drew 49 cars!! A few weeks later, Eldora paid either $2000 or $3000 to win and how many cars showed up?? Wasn't it over 200 mods? Even I can say that "I raced at Eldora." Only 1 guy went home with 5 grand in his pocket. Now who made the smarter choice?

[racing is life]

Whats the difference, you will only get 6 to 10 cars at either track. There may have been 20 drivers show up, but pay no money (WRP) or racing on Sun after racing fri and or sat will kill it. Lima pays more money then anyone, and Eldora is prestigious to race at.

Be happy there is a choice where to race. With the way the economy is be happy were racing at all. WRP is a great place to race at,and if they could get butts in the seats,they would pay what they need to pay. I give gregg credit to even take it back on after Dean screwed him by shutting the doors early last year and breaking his contract. That is what is hurting the reputation of the track,not the racing. Eldora only pampers to big shows and could care less about the little guy,and lima only wants to pad there pockets and cater to there favorite son's by questionable calls and favortisum.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

favortisum. i think you might of seen the last of that this year there is a change coming wait and see.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

Whats the difference, you will only get 6 to 10 cars at either track. There may have been 20 drivers show up, but pay no money (WRP) or racing on Sun after racing fri and or sat will kill it. Lima pays more money then anyone, and Eldora is prestigious to race at.

Sleepy thats where you would want to show up with only 10 cars you might be able to keep your car from going in a spin and maybe win.

[OGRE]

When it was decided that UMP Hoosiers would be optional it was also understood that you could mix and match. If you want to run a DOT or some DOT's then that is your option.

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You have to give Greg some credit for allowing the stocks to come back to WRP and giving them the chance to pick what kind of tire they want to run hoosiers or DOT,s. He didnt make it mandatory like i thought it was. me bad. Now its up to the drivers to make sure they show up and give a good car count and earn the respect that they should of been there all along.

Edited by skip, 29 March 2011 - 08:03 AM.

[gibbs gang]

the only reason they have no spectators in the stands,is until they put a sign back up at 33,they wont have much of a crowd.thousands of people drive past,and dont even realize a race track exist.i know they made greg take it down,but until something is up,they will have a low count in the stands

[Racer31]

We have actually been working on that. We may not have a full billboard sign up but we are trying to arrange a mobile sign.

[stocker]

There you go Dan stand at 33 with a racing tire and a big red arrow pointing towards the track. I promiss to miss you when I swing the corner heading to the track with the hauler. We plan on running all tracks this year just to have fun again. I can recall Jimmy Brown running a race somewhere down south and finished 2nd in the feature on DOT tires while the rest of the field had Hoosiers bolted on. I guess we will have both sets of tires mounted just by our choice, not because the rulse says we can. It will be fun to hear the motors come back to life again this year they have been parked way to long. Good luck to everyone this year and be safe. Tim