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[slide22]

I tried to find an email address so I wouldn't have to put this on a forum, but here it goes. Basically we destroyed a car at Lawrenceburg last Saturday and are planning on running Waynesfield for much of the rest of the season, aside from a few out of state races. Waiting on getting a frame, so we won't be racing till the AMSA race on the 19th at the earliest, but plan to be there the 26th and beyond if we get the car together soon enough. Anyways, us, along with many other racers feel like the 15 lap features are too short for how fast our cars are; with ~ 13 second laps, if the track is too fast in heat races or there is a big invert, you virtually have no chance of winning. Atleast with 20 laps you can have some shot from 10th - 15th to win the race. I'd understand keeping it at 15 laps if the mini sprints ran much slower lap times, but being the fastest class lap time wise, another 5 laps isn't going to add significantly to the length of the program. - Ryan Broughton

[AK1]

I tried to find an email address so I wouldn't have to put this on a forum, but here it goes.

Basically we destroyed a car at Lawrenceburg last Saturday and are planning on running Waynesfield for much of the rest of the season, aside from a few out of state races. Waiting on getting a frame, so we won't be racing till the AMSA race on the 19th at the earliest, but plan to be there the 26th and beyond if we get the car together soon enough. Anyways, us, along with many other racers feel like the 15 lap features are too short for how fast our cars are; with ~ 13 second laps, if the track is too fast in heat races or there is a big invert, you virtually have no chance of winning. Atleast with 20 laps you can have some shot from 10th - 15th to win the race. I'd understand keeping it at 15 laps if the mini sprints ran much slower lap times, but being the fastest class lap time wise, another 5 laps isn't going to add significantly to the length of the program.

- Ryan Broughton

Ryan,

For future reference, our contact info, including email address is listed on our website under the "Track info" section, as well as on our Facebook page by clicking "Info" underneath the WRP logo on the left side of the page.

As far as the length of the Mini-Sprint features goes, the decision was made to shorten most of the classes, not just Minis. This is partly due to running 6 classes and trying to ensure that our program is done in a timely manner. Unfortunately, Mother Nature has not allowed us the opportunity to see where we stand with a full program in 2011. As of right now, adding laps is not in the plans for any classes, but if we find that we are getting done at a decent hour, we may re-evaluate that decision.

Thank you for your suggestion. I hope you understand where we stand. It is absolutely not meant as a slight to the Mini Sprint class.

We're sorry to hear about your misfortune at Lawrenceburg, and look forward to seeing you back at Waynesfield soon.

Thanks
Gerry Keysor
Waynesfield Raceway Park

[witness_24]

Maybe they could let features be features if they were not trying to run 6 classes a night? Im all for giving people a shot to race but shortening the features so that you can still finish quickly is wrong. At some point you have to draw the line and hurt someones feelings by eliminating that class. 3 classes would be great 4 would even be ok but 6 is just to much jmo tho

[compact racer]

Maybe they could let features be features if they were not trying to run 6 classes a night? Im all for giving people a shot to race but shortening the features so that you can still finish quickly is wrong. At some point you have to draw the line and hurt someones feelings by eliminating that class. 3 classes would be great 4 would even be ok but 6 is just to much jmo tho

I got to post this even though I know some will get mad and some won't agree. My bet is why they're running six classes a night is to get enough people in the pits and stands to be profitable. So if you want to cut it to 3 or 4 classes you'll have to start with the premire classes and work your way down. It's a simple case of mathematics and economics. I know myself I mentioned that I thought our class would be willing to run a feature only if that would help get the show in. Everyone wants to race and asking them to cut classes is wrong. It might just be your class that gets cut.

[double checkered]

I am grateful for the support we have received from drivers, crews, and fans this year as WRP struggles to establish itself with no help from mother nature. I'm not speaking for Mr. Shobe or on WRP's behalf. My comment is just a general reply as a fan. I'm pretty sure Mr Shobe is trying to satisfy everyone the best he can. All classes have made sacrifices. If you continue to support the track I have a feeling things will get back to "normal" with better structure. Thanks again to everyone that comes out. Just continue to work together and it will be to your benefit. Your comments don't go unnoticed. We appreciate any feedback. Jeremy

[witness_24]

I got to post this even though I know some will get mad and some won't agree. My bet is why they're running six classes a night is to get enough people in the pits and stands to be profitable. So if you want to cut it to 3 or 4 classes you'll have to start with the premire classes and work your way down. It's a simple case of mathematics and economics. I know myself I mentioned that I thought our class would be willing to run a feature only if that would help get the show in. Everyone wants to race and asking them to cut classes is wrong. It might just be your class that gets cut.

Yea i get what your saying but WRP cut purses and laps out of the program to make room for 6 classes. If your not running 6 classes and your only running 3 every saturday night then your saving money in purse payout. Look around at all the other tracks none run 6 classes on a regular night tops is 4 classes but most run only 3 a night. Its easier on the pocket book at the payout window. once again jmo

[compact racer]

Yea i get what your saying but WRP cut purses and laps out of the program to make room for 6 classes. If your not running 6 classes and your only running 3 every saturday night then your saving money in purse payout. Look around at all the other tracks none run 6 classes on a regular night tops is 4 classes but most run only 3 a night. Its easier on the pocket book at the payout window. once again jmo

Yes and I get what your saying too but if you cut out two or three classes who do you cut? From what I've seen the stands look better this yr and the pits sure have been full and I thought thats what they're shooting for. Like AK1 said let things settle in and they might see ways to change things a little. We haven't even seen how a program runs yet. As of now I'm glad everyone is getting to run. I know I don't care if it ends at 11 o'clock or 2 am as long as there's racing going on.

[skinnykenny]

Why not run 6 classes? So far, the sprint cars are the only class to get a full field each week!!!! Compacts........maybe get a dozen on a good night Trucks.............over 60% of them won't race anymore since a few guys took the "stock fun" out of it Mods...............had a good count one week then only 15 the next week (and there are more of these cars in the country than anything) Mini Sprints...... lucky to get a full field once or twice a year for 4-5 years Stocks.............for 2 years we saw crybabies on here everyday complaining they were dropped and now they are back and a whole 14-15 show up (and 3-4 of the ones that do show up didn't have cars before this year) NOTE......This is my opinion as a RACE FAN!!! I do NOT know what the track's position on this subject is. I know that running only 3 classes without full fields would have fans driving home before dark thinking "I wish some cars would show up."

[AK1]

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Edited by AK1, 13 June 2011 - 10:33 PM.

[skinnykenny]

I was VERY happy to see enough minisprints for a b main tonight. I hope that continues every week!!

[witness_24]

Why not run 6 classes? So far, the sprint cars are the only class to get a full field each week!!!!
Compacts........maybe get a dozen on a good night
Trucks.............over 60% of them won't race anymore since a few guys took the "stock fun" out of it
Mods...............had a good count one week then only 15 the next week (and there are more of these cars in the country than anything)
Mini Sprints...... lucky to get a full field once or twice a year for 4-5 years
Stocks.............for 2 years we saw crybabies on here everyday complaining they were dropped and now they are back and a whole 14-15 show up (and 3-4 of the ones that do show up didn't have cars before this year)

NOTE......This is my opinion as a RACE FAN!!! I do NOT know what the track's position on this subject is. I know that running only 3 classes without full fields would have fans driving home before dark thinking "I wish some cars would show up."

Your break down of the 6 classes is why i think they should cut a couple of them. IF you cut a couple classes you could take their payout and add it to the other 3 and your going to draw higher car counts. I have nothing against the stock cars, trucks, compacts or mini sprints but those three are small support classes and when you look around at other tracks and what they run you dont see ANY track around here running 4 support classes. I know the mods are a support class but like someone else said theres a whole lot of them out there and thats a class that should stay because eventually your going to have a ton of those show up if you keep the track in great condition and they aint tearing stuff up (like at other tracks) But the mini sprints yea last night they had a full field and enough to run a b main but like kenny said that happens once maybe twice a year. i just dont like the 5 support classes with sprint cars makes for a very long ass night

[racer50]

SkinnyKenny about your comment that a few guys took the stock fun out of the trucks. The rules have evolved in the trucks since they started about 7 years ago. The guys running up front ( the guys you say are taking the fun out of the truck program) are utilizing the rules to the fullest. As a racer I try to get every advantage I can if its in the rules use it, a lot of guys aren't. If people want to race a pure stock class get a compact, the truck class is not a pure stock class read the rules. The other thing is there is no tech at Waynesfield, if your going to have rules you have to tech every once in a while. Can you imagine how fast people would drive on the roads if there were no police in cruisers on the road. Witness-24 Lets start by cutting your class and I'm not sure what class that is I assume mini-sprints. Greg started the truck class at Waynesfield to get people started in racing, the compacts came from another track and asked to race at Waynesfield. The trucks and compacts have no where else close to race so it would be a shame to cut those classes. Besides those 2 classes bring in way more people through the back gate than the mini-sprints and also pay out a lot less than the minis. Witness where is that money going to come from if you cut the class you have no poeple paying the $25 at the gate I would love to see you run the trucks and compacts together some night. Get your stopwatch out the faster ones run pretty simalar times.

Edited by racer50, 12 June 2011 - 10:03 AM.

[compact racer]

SkinnyKenny about your comment that a few guys took the stock fun out of the trucks. The rules have evolved in the trucks since they started about 7 years ago. The guys running up front ( the guys you say are taking the fun out of the truck program) are utilizing the rules to the fullest. As a racer I try to get every advantage I can if its in the rules use it, a lot of guys aren't. If people want to race a pure stock class get a compact, the truck class is not a pure stock class read the rules. The other thing is there is no tech at Waynesfield, if your going to have rules you have to tech every once in a while. Can you imagine how fast people would drive on the roads if there were no police in cruisers on the road.

Witness-24 Lets start by cutting your class and I'm not sure what class that is I assume mini-sprints. Greg started the truck class at Waynesfield to get people started in racing, the compacts came from another track and asked to race at Waynesfield. The trucks and compacts have no where else close to race so it would be a shame to cut those classes. Besides those 2 classes bring in way more people through the back gate than the mini-sprints and also pay out a lot less than the minis.

Witness where is that money going to come from if you cut the class you have no poeple paying the $25 at the gate

I would love to see you run the trucks and compacts together some night. Get your stopwatch out the faster ones run pretty simalar times.

Racer 50 I agree with everything on your post. We're all there to race and have fun. It seems witness 24 cares only for himself and is probably one who watches only his class. For your thought of running trucks and compacts together some time I think that would be a interesting show. Last night both the trucks and compacts put on some of the best racing of the night. The second feature for the compacts had 5 or 6 cars going for the win with 2 laps to go and a side by side finish. The trucks had 3 fighting to the end. One reason I think these two classes get no attention is because they're not spinning and sliding going no where. Two weeks ago the track was dry slick they both were faster on the watch then the stockers.

[witness_24]

My class was already cut off the schedule at WRP but im not bitter im a race fan ill go anywhere on any given night to watch some dirt flying. I dont care only for myself and if you want my opinion i would cut the stocks, mini sprints and the compacts and if they are to keep 4 classes instead of going down to 3 i would keep the compacts. The compacts do put on a good show and if it would work i think it would be a sweet division is they put the compacts and trucks together on the track plus then you could count that as just one class and keep them both. Like i said in the beginning of this topic when i responded the first time this is my opinion and i would expect WRP groupies to come back at me about it

[compact racer]

My class was already cut off the schedule at WRP but im not bitter im a race fan ill go anywhere on any given night to watch some dirt flying. I dont care only for myself and if you want my opinion i would cut the stocks, mini sprints and the compacts and if they are to keep 4 classes instead of going down to 3 i would keep the compacts. The compacts do put on a good show and if it would work i think it would be a sweet division is they put the compacts and trucks together on the track plus then you could count that as just one class and keep them both. Like i said in the beginning of this topic when i responded the first time this is my opinion and i would expect WRP groupies to come back at me about it

Witness don't think anything I post is an attack on your opinion as I just want everyone to race and have fun. For me on a given night if we get a small car count I'd be tickeld to death to get to run with the trucks as long as we get to race. The thing is we have all these classes in our area and when a track brings them in it's not right to just eliminate them. As someone said Mr Shobe is running all six out of loyaty to the racers and I commend him for that. Yes they could mix and match them up a little to cut the length of the show but there are also those who want too see them all to feel they get their moneys worth. Here's a little history of how it went for us. Several yrs back my son started racing and I just came off a championship winning season at the bowl and I was going to slow down and let him have his chance. So one week we were off and heard they were running compacts at WRP so off we went and I gave it a try. We liked it. The next time we had a chance we both came and raced we were hooked. Wanting to watch him race I invested in a stocker. The next yr the compacts were cut and back to bowl we had to go. With us a car to switch back and a worthless stocker. Two yrs later we were back at WRP and hope to stay. So I know how anyone would feel if they were cut out and I would never wish it on anyone.

[Dirtracer48]

Two weeks ago the track was dry slick they both were faster on the watch then the stockers.

How are you timing this? Fastest car vs. fastest car? I find this very unlikely, however somehow possible I guess. I'm told an open kart ran a 14.1 on the big track last year. What does that prove? Not sure.

I'd hate to see anyone dropped. For once, I am having a lot of fun in the car, and we're getting pretty competitive. Would I blame them if we were dropped? No, but it WOULD suck. We had 18 last week, which is about the same as Lima gets. Eldora gets a few more, but doubt it would if it didn't have stewarts name on it.

[compact racer]

How are you timing this? Fastest car vs. fastest car? I find this very unlikely, however somehow possible I guess. I'm told an open kart ran a 14.1 on the big track last year. What does that prove? Not sure.

I'd hate to see anyone dropped. For once, I am having a lot of fun in the car, and we're getting pretty competitive. Would I blame them if we were dropped? No, but it WOULD suck. We had 18 last week, which is about the same as Lima gets. Eldora gets a few more, but doubt it would if it didn't have stewarts name on it.

On a good tacky track the stokers are probably a second faster but let the track slick up and smooth off the compacts get faster and the trucks don't lose much if any. My point was some think they can't put on a good show. This weeks racing proved that to be wrong.

[slide22]

Didn't mean to stir up this much drama, just with a 2 1/2 hour drive would like to make the trip worth it. I think you'll be seeing full fields for pretty much the rest of the year... props to waving the AMSA guest fee as well.

[stif racing]

it's amazing how one person asked a simple question and the thing explodes. i don't see how you can make a statement about the number of cars in each class when Sat. was the first full show to get in this year without rain, the track is under new mangement, and you got different people in command. All of these play a part in the cars you draw and I don't see how you can figure car counts at all right now. The mini sprints was your largest class this week and very possible will be again next week.

[injunear]

How are you timing this? Fastest car vs. fastest car? I find this very unlikely, however somehow possible I guess. I'm told an open kart ran a 14.1 on the big track last year. What does that prove? Not sure.

I'd hate to see anyone dropped. For once, I am having a lot of fun in the car, and we're getting pretty competitive. Would I blame them if we were dropped? No, but it WOULD suck. We had 18 last week, which is about the same as Lima gets. Eldora gets a few more, but doubt it would if it didn't have stewarts name on it.

I don't think Mr. Shobe is all about dropping classes. Check the dates, guys!

The point of fastest times vrs. fastest times is valid, as stated.

Don't have to spend a fortune to go fast, but PERHAPS to go Fastest!.... This is regardless of the division!!!! The technologies are out there,
and are mostly all about weight/horsepower ratio.