Williams Grove Top 10:
Hodnett, Dewease, Rahmer, Dietrich, Pittman, Montieth, Layton, Krimes, Schuchart, Marks
Lernerville Top 10:
Schaeffer, George, Williams, Bowser, Ellenberger, Matus, Matus, Spithaler, Steinmen
2 Races
1 @ Lernerville
1 @ Williams Grove
Inside Row: Lernerville Top 10
Outside Row: Williams Grove Top 10
Hmmm, lets see which "group" finishes better??? The competition and racing at Williams Grove is FAR, FAR better than any other weekly sprint track in the NATION. Sprint Car racing is alive and well in Central PA, it's part of the culture there. Super Lates got boo'd earlier in the year because the track decided to run the SLM feature prior to the Sprint feature.
THE FANS GO TO WATCH SPRINT CARS AND NOTHING ELSE, ITS THE ONLY CLASS THEY CARE ABOUT.
Go to Williams Grove if you're all about the sprint cars.
Go to Lernerville if you want to see a variety. I must say though, it used to be that Lernerville drew all of the top SLM teams, but even that division has gotten pretty watered down since the implementation of the tire rules. It used to be the "premier" track for EVERY division. Not so much anymore.
Racing in western PA has gone downhill in the past 10 years. Seems to be alive and kicking in Central PA.
Williams Grove now paying $4000 to 410 Sprint winner
Started by JIMBALENTINE, Jul 31 2012 04:35 PM
44 replies to this topic
#41
Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:47 AM
The Rim Ryder!!! Wooooo
#42
Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:33 PM
Grass is always greener. Visit the williams grove message board & you will find out its not prefect. The 358 count has been way down 18~23. Plus they have had several bogus cancellations as well. Plus as many has pointed out. The grove fans don't want to see anything else but sprints. Same for the tracks further east with modifieds. The western pa fan generally would want more than a 2 division show. In fact in my years I have come to the conclusion most western pa fans want to be able to leave before the show is over. Any track that consistently gets down quickly on a Friday or Saturday night have fans complaining the show went to quick.
#43
Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:19 PM
Grass is always greener. Visit the williams grove message board & you will find out its not prefect. The 358 count has been way down 18~23. Plus they have had several bogus cancellations as well. Plus as many has pointed out. The grove fans don't want to see anything else but sprints. Same for the tracks further east with modifieds. The western pa fan generally would want more than a 2 division show. In fact in my years I have come to the conclusion most western pa fans want to be able to leave before the show is over. Any track that consistently gets down quickly on a Friday or Saturday night have fans complaining the show went to quick.
The old show biz adage, "Always leave them wanting more" definitely does not apply in these parts.
#44
Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:41 AM
The old show biz adage, "Always leave them wanting more" definitely does not apply in these parts.
I have to agree with Benny K.
The point is, who would pay $14 a week to go to Lernerville to watch sprints only (especially with the quality of the local sprints) and a support division, when you can spend $14 to watch sprints, LM's and BB Mod's. I think i'm spending money on the big three. Also if Lernerville were running sprints only, what do you think that big crowd would look like? Do you think they would get 1250 people in the front gate to pay that $17,300 purse? Now how many people are going out and spend $200,000 to put together a top notch sprint team because they are now paying $4000 to win? I didn't think so ether!
"Well, what would you do, you hypocrite? The back gate route? I'd submit that's what got TCS closed in the first place."
It's not what they did, but what you would do. TCS is there, you have all these ideas to get rich and save WPA racing. All i'm saying is if you say you can do it, than do it. I'll be there!
I would run specials only, with a rotation of the big three and charge gate prices commiserate to the purse structure. I would also run two feeder divisions, (division that teaches competitors and allows them to move up to the upper divisions).
"hypocrite" WOW, I am surprised you could spell that. I am impressed!
JMO
#45
Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:35 PM
I have to agree with Benny K.
The point is, who would pay $14 a week to go to Lernerville to watch sprints only (especially with the quality of the local sprints) and a support division, when you can spend $14 to watch sprints, LM's and BB Mod's. I think i'm spending money on the big three. Also if Lernerville were running sprints only, what do you think that big crowd would look like? Do you think they would get 1250 people in the front gate to pay that $17,300 purse? Now how many people are going out and spend $200,000 to put together a top notch sprint team because they are now paying $4000 to win? I didn't think so ether!
"Well, what would you do, you hypocrite? The back gate route? I'd submit that's what got TCS closed in the first place."
It's not what they did, but what you would do. TCS is there, you have all these ideas to get rich and save WPA racing. All i'm saying is if you say you can do it, than do it. I'll be there!
I would run specials only, with a rotation of the big three and charge gate prices commiserate to the purse structure. I would also run two feeder divisions, (division that teaches competitors and allows them to move up to the upper divisions).
"hypocrite" WOW, I am surprised you could spell that. I am impressed!
JMO
Show me where I ever said that Lernerville had to be the track that stepped out of line to pay a SLM, BB or Sprint purse comparable to Central Pa. I'll save you the trouble. You won't be able to. What I do believe is that Lernerville, could, in fact, afford to pay better than they do, even with the area's highest overall purse. I happily hand over my $14 weekly for that show. I'd pay 3 more dollars weekly for a show without tire rules and purses that pay better throughout the the field(s). I'm all for eliminating a points fund so that money set aside for it can be redistributed for weekly racing.
The first thing I would do with TCS is shorten it. Every track up that way is 3/8th's mile or shorter. In fact, the only true big dirt track left in the area is PPMS. I think smaller tracks, if configured correctly and with the right surface, are conducive to better racing over all. Run specials only you say? Uh, no. The only track in this region that has had any success at it is McKean County. It's clear from the time that TCS dropped Sprints that the place was on life support. Go back to running Sundays, and run Sprints, Big Blocks and a Stock division similar to Lernerville's rules package minus the dumb ass tire rule. Charge $16 for adults and start at 7:00 p.m. without an intermission. You could give SB's a weight break to run with the BB's. You'd probably have to absorb some losses for a couple of years until the high quality fields would begin to attract fans. TCS is in a position to draw Mods from NY state and Sprints from N.E. Ohio. With only Eriez and Sportsman's running on Sundays, they should have no trouble drawing regional open wheel fans. Work with your other three tracks for some sort of a bonus system for both the Sprints and Big Blocks. You also have a facility that sits dormant all week. Use it. Have cart racing on Saturday afternoon's. Maybe cut a smaller track out of the infield and run Mod-Lites and Micros as well. There are more opportunities to use that property to make money other than just racing as well. Promoters have to get creative.
Oh, I can spell c-o-m-m-e-n-s-u-r-a-t-e, too. I'm stunned you used it in the right context, you sloth.
Edited by Skull, 09 August 2012 - 07:40 PM.
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