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[Stand Alone]

Just dumbfounded...Start a race under caution ?? Wonder what would have happened if it rained out on lap 202?? How can you srart a RACE ubder caution...

[Kid Roberts]

That happens in road racing a lot.

[Hot Dog]

I'm pretty sure it's happened at Syracuse a time or two as well.

[DavyLee2]

I'm pretty sure it's happened at Syracuse a time or two as well.

Nice race counter ! .. I was watching inside Tony Stewart car on HotPass .. and Tony was relaying to his crue the track felt dry and the dark spots were just "the shadows" .. im pretty sure they did that to make sure everyone believed the track was ready .Instead of running " hot laps" they just used some of the race laps .. and who cares after a long rain delay

[riptide]

Just dumbfounded...Start a race under caution ??
Wonder what would have happened if it rained out on lap 202??
How can you srart a RACE ubder caution...

1. They already had a long rain delay
2. The track would finish drying faster with 44 cars on it than with a couple of jet dryers
3. There was a very good chance the race might be shortened because of more rain
4. It has been done before in NASCAR
5. It made sense to me

Guess the joke is on you!

[Dingo]

That happens in road racing a lot.

In Road Racing they get to run 'wets'... not in NASCAR. Wonder why some bright spark within the organisation ( if there is one that is) doesn't bring this up and they can change to them when its raining (like Road Racing does) and actually race with caution, but race all the same. Then you'd see what the oval track babies are worth against those from a road racing background.

[Lukeracer]

This is not a new practice, saw it at Pocono many times.

[Stand Alone]

If it makes sense to you to run 6 laps under caution and call it the start of a race thats fine....just don't see, like racing to me

[DavyLee2]

In Road Racing they get to run 'wets'... not in NASCAR. Wonder why some bright spark within the organisation ( if there is one that is) doesn't bring this up and they can change to them when its raining (like Road Racing does) and actually race with caution, but race all the same. Then you'd see what the oval track babies are worth against those from a road racing background.

Hmm I think Nascar has done pretty well ...they pay more for 10th than most roadracing series entire purse!
Think Tony Stewart .. Jeff Gordon .. Kyle bush .. etc etc etc have done pretty good against " Road racing backround "
Theres only 2 " road Racing guys" of recent history that even won a nascar race .. ambrose and montoya..In the top series that is .. ambrose and Pequay are the only ones in mind in the nationwide series i can think of
Nascar does run that road race in Mexico or Canada where they do have " wets" .. Carl Edwards won that one .. and hes a " dirt modified guy "
so pretty much those " road race guys " statistically get their doors blown off!

Edited by DavyLee2, 09 September 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[scruffy1a]

Hmm I think Nascar has done pretty well ...they pay more for 10th than most roadracing series entire purse!
Think Tony Stewart .. Jeff Gordon .. Kyle bush .. etc etc etc have done pretty good against " Road racing backround "
Theres only 2 " road Racing guys" of recent history that even won a nascar race .. ambrose and montoya..In the top series that is .. ambrose and Pequay are the only ones in mind in the nationwide series i can think of
Nascar does run that road race in Mexico or Canada where they do have " wets" .. Carl Edwards won that one .. and hes a " dirt modified guy "
so pretty much those " road race guys " statistically get their doors blown off!

You can't argue with Dongo. He's right because he says so. Just ask him.

[JIMBALENTINE]

in the old days there wernt jet dryers to dry a track.. so the cars would come out and run the 1st 20 laps under caution then go green... I think the 1980 Daytona 500 was like that and the one in 1981 as well.... there wernt "competition yellows" back then either... and the race started 10 min after going "on air" after Ken Squier did the intro..not 2 hours of "big winded" so called "commentators" then a concert... and the best part was seeing the actual racing on tv and then they would go to a commercial for the cautions and pit stops.... those were the days.......thank god for the betamax and vcr back then so I can still watch great racing from back then Jim

[Kid Roberts]

The NASCAR drivers have an advantage in road racing in the stock cars. If 88.282% of them went to run DTM, BTCC, or anything like that...they'd get THEIR doors blown off.

[DavyLee2]

The NASCAR drivers have an advantage in road racing in the stock cars. If 88.282% of them went to run DTM, BTCC, or anything like that...they'd get THEIR doors blown off.

I agree and agree with the other guy .. IF .. but in a couple weeks .. tony stewart and friends would catch up

[hankster28]

in the old days there wernt jet dryers to dry a track..
so the cars would come out and run the 1st 20 laps under caution then go green...

I think the 1980 Daytona 500 was like that and the one in 1981 as well....

there wernt "competition yellows" back then either...

and the race started 10 min after going "on air" after Ken Squier did the intro..not 2 hours of "big winded" so called "commentators" then a concert...

and the best part was seeing the actual racing on tv and then they would go to a commercial for the cautions and pit stops....

those were the days.......thank god for the betamax and vcr back then so I can still watch great racing from back then

Jim

You got that right Jim the days of the race came on the air they showed the starting grid and raced were good. Knowledgable commentators eager to tell a story not make one sure was nice to. Jenkins, Parsons, Gould, Evans they knew when to be commentators and when to be fans.

[DavyLee2]

You got that right Jim the days of the race came on the air they showed the starting grid and raced were good. Knowledgable commentators eager to tell a story not make one sure was nice to. Jenkins, Parsons, Gould, Evans they knew when to be commentators and when to be fans.

Barney Hall on MRN is still like that ... watch the beginning and last 70 or so laps on tv .. In between its Barney hall and mrn!

[Rusty_Nuts]

However, that would be pretty sweet to see the NASCAR guys get a chance to race in the rain. Just like what Brad K wanted to do. Haha

[Kid Roberts]

I agree and agree with the other guy .. IF .. but in a couple weeks .. tony stewart and friends would catch up

No...They wouldn't. Brad Keselowski wouldn't be contending for a victory against Martin Tomczyk or Matt Neal. They wouldn't jump into a race on an oval and do that either. Cup drivers aren't 'the greatest drivers in the world' like NASCAR says they are. They are the top stock car drivers.

[Racer65x]

In Road Racing they get to run 'wets'... not in NASCAR. Wonder why some bright spark within the organisation ( if there is one that is) doesn't bring this up and they can change to them when its raining (like Road Racing does) and actually race with caution, but race all the same. Then you'd see what the oval track babies are worth against those from a road racing background.

They tried that back in the lat 90's the main problem with that was the tires were getting way to hot under damp conditions meaning the track had to be completely rain covered before they could use the wet tires. The other problem is that the "wet" tires are not designed to take the abuse of a 3,500 hundred pound car beating on the right front tire at over 120 for over half of the lap and, the last problem they were having with the wet tires was that the cars were getting entirely to much grip and, going to fast so NASCAR did away with the wet tires on ovals completely.

[riptide]

In Road Racing they get to run 'wets'... not in NASCAR. Wonder why some bright spark within the organisation ( if there is one that is) doesn't bring this up and they can change to them when its raining (like Road Racing does) and actually race with caution, but race all the same. Then you'd see what the oval track babies are worth against those from a road racing background.

C'mon Dingo, you know better than this! The NASCAR cars are totally different animals than most road course cars, even those racing down under. Even Marcos will tell you that!

BUT: Just in case your right about those oval course babies, I have a thought/question. Since there are all kinds of grooves and usually a bunch of extra siping done to dirt racing tires, why don't they stop canceling dirt races because of the rain?

They could start with that new vintage series and maybe even really wet down the track for one of their exhibitions.

Well, after all you woulldn't want to be called oval track babies, would you?

C'mon Dingo! Get real!

[riptide]

in the old days there wernt jet dryers to dry a track..
so the cars would come out and run the 1st 20 laps under caution then go green...

I think the 1980 Daytona 500 was like that and the one in 1981 as well....

there wernt "competition yellows" back then either...

and the race started 10 min after going "on air" after Ken Squier did the intro..not 2 hours of "big winded" so called "commentators" then a concert...

and the best part was seeing the actual racing on tv and then they would go to a commercial for the cautions and pit stops....

those were the days.......thank god for the betamax and vcr back then so I can still watch great racing from back then

Jim

NOT QUITE!

Back in the day, you got to watch 20 minutes of the latest NASCAR race during the Wide World of Sports!

Television has always run a 1/3 ad leverage meaning 20 minutes of commericials are shown during each hour of coverage. And, at times, the pit stops are some of the most intense parts of the race.

Competition yellows are nothing new either!

Ken Squire was a great announcer until the last few years when his memory would stumble. Funny thing was that he was still sharp as a tack during a casual interview. Benny Parsons was a terrible announcer. His stories about the early days were what kept his job. Benny really lost touch as he became older and the drivers got younger. He was an absolutely great driver though!