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[TheLegend]

You do need ID for many things, but not a photo ID with an expiration date.

There is one reason liberals are hell bent against voter I'd lays and you know it's so they can pull there typical Chicago style voter fraud !!

[DavyLee2]

You do need ID for many things, but not a photo ID with an expiration date.

I disagree .. Any Transaction anywhere that reqires " Identification " of a person requires a Photo Id with an expiration date .. you cant board a plane even with a ticket in your hand ..
Dodd Frank law requires photo id for every check cashed !.. Have you wondered why your bank you have known for 15 years is now saying gimme your license .. its required now even thoe i been cashing your checks for 10 years !
the id law is like Liberalism .. A complete lie
Liberals left hand has to lie to the right hand .. Thats why it always crashes down wherever its been tried.
Spain .. Greece .. Ireland .... France ... Have all sold their soul to Germany ( the new roman empire) .. their people waller in Government Guarantees .. BUT now are in the streets decrying .. YOU PROMISED US EVERYTHING .. and the Government says .. We got your guns and Freedom ... NOW GET BACK TO WORK .. You aint retiring !

[Dirttrackrocker]

It what specifically is your problem with a Photo ID with an expiration date?? I'm not understanding your logic here. And how is this disenfranchising voters as the liberals are claiming?

[Vigoda Motorsports]

One thing is for sure. This is going to be one sad, angry, bitching, complaining place on November 7th. I'm not a very political person, and don't care to get into any debates, but I don't think Obama is going to lose. Most reputable polls still have Obama up post debate. I'm very anxious to see The Legend's first political post on the 7th should Obama win.

Edited by Vigoda Motorsports, 06 October 2012 - 11:33 AM.

[Dirttrackrocker]

One thing is for sure. This is going to be one sad, angry, bitching, complaining place on November 7th.

I'm not a very political person, and don't care to get into any debates, but I don't think Obama is going to lose. Most reputable polls still have Obama up post debate.

I'm very anxious to see The Legend's first political post on the 7th should Obama win.

If you look at the info, the polls are all over sampling Democrats by 8-12% Thats their new agenda, try to convince everyone that it's a done deal.

[flash49]

It what specifically is your problem with a Photo ID with an expiration date?? I'm not understanding your logic here. And how is this disenfranchising voters as the liberals are claiming?

If one person is turned away at the polls because he doesn't have a photo ID with an expiration date, you apparently see nothing wrong with that. I think it's a travesty. Especially when that same person has been voting in the same place for 40 or 50 years and everyone at the polls knows who that person is. Apparently, the Commonwealth Court judge agreed with me, since the Attorney General could not provide one instance of verified voter fraud in our Commonwealth.

[flash49]

I disagree .. Any Transaction anywhere that reqires " Identification " of a person requires a Photo Id with an expiration date .. you cant board a plane even with a ticket in your hand ..
Dodd Frank law requires photo id for every check cashed !.. Have you wondered why your bank you have known for 15 years is now saying gimme your license .. its required now even thoe i been cashing your checks for 10 years !
the id law is like Liberalism .. A complete lie
Liberals left hand has to lie to the right hand .. Thats why it always crashes down wherever its been tried.
Spain .. Greece .. Ireland .... France ... Have all sold their soul to Germany ( the new roman empire) .. their people waller in Government Guarantees .. BUT now are in the streets decrying .. YOU PROMISED US EVERYTHING .. and the Government says .. We got your guns and Freedom ... NOW GET BACK TO WORK .. You aint retiring !

You can disagree with me until the cows come home, but getting on a plane or cashing a check is not a constitutional right as voting clearly is. My bank never asks to see my license, maybe they think you're a shady character, lol. I wouldn't bring up the European Union problems to bolster your argument, because you obviously know next to nothing about what precipitated the ecomonic situation in Europe except what you heard from the genius Jim Quinn on the radio.

Edited by flash49, 06 October 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[flash49]

There is one reason liberals are hell bent against voter I'd lays and you know it's so they can pull there typical Chicago style voter fraud !!

No, we just don't like to see the constitutional rights of voters infringed. Let's bring back a poll tax while we're at it. If someone were proposing measures to make it more difficult to buy a firearm you same folks would be screaming. Just depends on whose ox is getting gored, I suppose. What you folks don't realize is that this law would also disenfranchise some elderly Republican voters. But now it's a moot point, at least for this election.

Edited by flash49, 06 October 2012 - 12:02 PM.

[flash49]

If you look at the info, the polls are all over sampling Democrats by 8-12% Thats their new agenda, try to convince everyone that it's a done deal.

Even the Fox News poll has Obama ahead. And just where did you get this fine pearl of information you thought would be nice to share with the rest of us?

[Dirttrackrocker]

Even the Fox News poll has Obama ahead. And just where did you get this fine pearl of information you thought would be nice to share with the rest of us?

http://technorati.co...ewed-polls-are/

All you have to do is be smart enough to read and do a little math.

[flash49]

http://technorati.co...ewed-polls-are/

All you have to do is be smart enough to read and do a little math.

That is someone's opinion, if you choose to believe it, fine.

[Dirttrackrocker]

That is someone's opinion, if you choose to believe it, fine.

This whole thread is based on someones opinion.

[suz]

Nice try suz, the judge who postponed implementation of the law is a Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court judge, and he is also a Republican.

Flash ~ I'm aware of what party Simpson claims to be, but that has nothing to do with my post of being disappointed. Since I posted that it appears to be the popular thought. That ID is required to function in this world, period. To say you don't need it for something as important as this Presidential election is to quote Dirt "ludicrous".


My only point like so many here is lets have real elections with as little amount of fraud as possible.

Edited by suz, 15 October 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[flash49]

Flash ~ I'm aware of what party Simpson claims to be. I can guarantee if he was running in a primary as a Republican he would never make it, but that has nothing to do with my post of being disappointed. Since I posted that it appears to be the popular thought. That ID is required to function in this world, period. To say you don't need it for something as important as this Presidential election is to quote Dirt "ludicrous". Since you brought up party ~ the law that requires voter ID was passed by a Republican controlled legislature which passed it over the objection of EVERY Democratic lawmaker. Why would they have a problem with this?

I brought the subject up because it is a HUGE DEAL. Pennsylvania is one of the nations biggest electorial college prizes, a battle ground state that has long been suspected of ballot stuffing. The law was passed as a bulwark against any potential election fraud. Especially when you are running against someone like Obama who's ties are to ACORN who has a long history of investigations by the FBI and arrests of ACORN workers who pleaded guilty to fraud for the Democratic party.

My only point like so many here is lets have real elections with as little amount of fraud as possible.

I'm against fraud too, Suz, and when you show me where it exists in fact, I'll be with you. The assertion that Pennsylvania has long been suspected of ballot stuffing is news to me. If all this irregularity were going on, I'm sure the PA Attorney General, who has always been a Republican since it became an elective office, would have prosecuted someone by now.

The reason no Democratic lawmaker voted for the bill became quite evident after Mr. Turzai proclaimed to his friends, voter ID law passed, Romney wins Pennsylvania. The sole intent of this voter ID law was to install roadblocks on the right to vote by folks who traditionally don't vote for Republicans. When there is no demonstrable problem, no solution is necessary.

[THE Fan]

I'm against fraud too, Suz, and when you show me where it exists in fact, I'll be with you. The assertion that Pennsylvania has long been suspected of ballot stuffing is news to me. If all this irregularity were going on, I'm sure the PA Attorney General, who has always been a Republican since it became an elective office, would have prosecuted someone by now.

The reason no Democratic lawmaker voted for the bill became quite evident after Mr. Turzai proclaimed to his friends, voter ID law passed, Romney wins Pennsylvania. The sole intent of this voter ID law was to install roadblocks on the right to vote by folks who traditionally don't vote for Republicans. When there is no demonstrable problem, no solution is necessary.

then you should get your "news" from better sources..
the filthadelphia area has long been known to be saturated with voter{demor\RAT} voter fraud.....
also the "sole" intent to the law is to DO AWAY with voter fraud
yet another mindless liberal ....you have my sympathies
WAKE UP ...inform yourself....don't live your life being another liberal lackey

[flash49]

then you should get your "news" from better sources..
the filthadelphia area has long been known to be saturated with voter{demor\RAT} voter fraud.....
also the "sole" intent to the law is to DO AWAY with voter fraud
yet another mindless liberal ....you have my sympathies
WAKE UP ...inform yourself....don't live your life being another liberal lackey

No need for name calling Fan. I've done pretty well all these years being a liberal lackey. America will always be a nation of varied ideas, opinions, and viewpoints. Your intolerance for others would seem to indicate that you'd be much more at home in Iran than here in the good old US, because over there only one set of ideas is allowed. Save your sympthy for someone who needs it.

Edited by flash49, 06 October 2012 - 06:39 PM.

[Jookie]

No need for name calling Fan. I've done pretty well all these years being a liberal lackey. America will always be a nation of varied ideas, opinions, and viewpoints. Your intolerance for others would seem to indicate that you'd be much more at home in Iran than here in the good old US, because over there only one set of ideas is allowed. Save your sympthy for someone who needs it.

So let me get this right. Liberals believe that it is Ok for me to have to pay for healthcare I don't need. But it is not right that conservative's want you to prove who you are to vote and that is wrong? What's wrong with this picture?

[lrnvlFan1w]

I personally thought you were required to have an ID to vote everytime I go they ask for it.

[observer]

There are so many reasons to vote the way I will in November but I have a curious questions. I am a retired Marine and when I was active duty I had to do a good many funeral details. When we presented the US Flag to the family member the standard saying was "On behalf of the President of the United Staes and a grateful nation. The question is for a presnt active duty member that would know. I heard the Mr. Obama changed that so they now say "On behalf of the Secretary of Defense and a grateful nation". Is that true? Is that a means to push the responsibility off of the President? Is it another blame somebody else not me? Commander and Chief? I hope that is not true but I would not be surprised if it was. Just curious????

[snooky]

Not sure Obeserver but the Obama administration has done more for returning vets than any other. Romney never mentioned them or the war in his convention speech. He said he needed to address "important things" when he defended it on Fox (faux) news.
As far as voter ID. I have NO problem with showing an ID to vote, as long as every registered voter has one. The Commonwealth by their own admission by cross tabbing DOT and Voter Reg records showed that over 700,000 Pennsylvania voters did not have a valid ID. there is no way that the Commonwealth was going to get all of those registered voters a photo ID by election day. Now, they just happen to be moslty made up by people that don't drive, the elderly, the poor or urban citizens. There is NO way the state was going to get all of them ID in the time frame available before this falls election. Also, the Attorney Generals lawyers defending the law could not provide ONE case of fraud becasue of voter impersonation. NOT ONE!!!! Can you say a solution in search of a problem? The Republican judge was right to delay implementation of the law.
If you want everyone to have an ID to vote, fine. I really have no problem with that. However, make sure everyone has the ID. This by Republican leader Mike Turzai's own admission was NOT the intent of the legislation. It was intended to disenfranchise voters and help Romney win PA. As citizens we ALL have the right vote folks. I don't agree with most of the comments in this thread (and it has no place on this board IMO) but you have the right to express them AND vote. Any attempt to impead that effort is a travesty and unamerican. Rep. Daryl Metcalf from butler was the prime sponsor of the legislation. He is a certifiable nut job. I have no clue how the fine people of the Butler area put this guy in office. He believes that if you don't have a photo ID that you are lazy and lazy people don't have the right to vote. Really??? God help us all if we are going to have someone start determining what citizens have the right to vote. Especialy if it is a whack job like Metacalf.
Finally, if you think the policies of the old Mittster will be good for the masses that show up at dirt tracks every weekend, well, I'd like a little of what you are smoking.

Edited by snooky, 07 October 2012 - 07:30 AM.