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#61 DarwinsBeagle

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:31 AM

No, we just don't like to see the constitutional rights of voters infringed. Let's bring back a poll tax while we're at it. If someone were proposing measures to make it more difficult to buy a firearm you same folks would be screaming. Just depends on whose ox is getting gored, I suppose. What you folks don't realize is that this law would also disenfranchise some elderly Republican voters. But now it's a moot point, at least for this election.


Actually, the U.S. Constitution does allow for the qualification of voters. It very specifically allows individual states and commonwealths to determine voter qualifications.

You are not necessarily guaranteed the right to vote by the U.S. Constitution just because you were born in this country.

I sincerely do not believe that anyone could support a liberal agenda AND have read, understood and support the U.S. Constitution.



 

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:43 AM

There are so many reasons to vote the way I will in November but I have a curious questions. I am a retired Marine and when I was active duty I had to do a good many funeral details. When we presented the US Flag to the family member the standard saying was "On behalf of the President of the United Staes and a grateful nation. The question is for a presnt active duty member that would know. I heard the Mr. Obama changed that so they now say "On behalf of the Secretary of Defense and a grateful nation". Is that true? Is that a means to push the responsibility off of the President? Is it another blame somebody else not me? Commander and Chief? I hope that is not true but I would not be surprised if it was. Just curious????




The url below seems to answer your question:


http://www.truthorfi...ls-funerals.htm


#63 snooky

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:15 AM

So let me get this right. Liberals believe that it is Ok for me to have to pay for healthcare I don't need. But it is not right that conservative's want you to prove who you are to vote and that is wrong? What's wrong with this picture?


When your race car falls on you while working on it and they bring you to the emergency room for treatment with out health care, should the rest of us have to pay for it? The health care mandate was a Republican idea. You know, personal responsibility??? I thought that was a conservative idea.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:35 AM

Actually, the U.S. Constitution does allow for the qualification of voters. It very specifically allows individual states and commonwealths to determine voter qualifications.

You are not necessarily guaranteed the right to vote by the U.S. Constitution just because you were born in this country.

I sincerely do not believe that anyone could support a liberal agenda AND have read, understood and support the U.S. Constitution.


You actually are guaranteed the right to vote if you're a US or naturalized US citizen. (Except in very limited circumstances, such as convicted felons et al) Of course, states may make rules regarding the voting process, but the courts have been very clear about narrowly construing these "requirements." While the Constitution is the bulwark of all of our rights, case law over the years interpreting this document also become part of the law of the land.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:47 AM

Actually, the U.S. Constitution does allow for the qualification of voters. It very specifically allows individual states and commonwealths to determine voter qualifications.

You are not necessarily guaranteed the right to vote by the U.S. Constitution just because you were born in this country.

I sincerely do not believe that anyone could support a liberal agenda AND have read, understood and support the U.S. Constitution.

Appreciate your post!

Edited by suz, 15 October 2012 - 10:32 PM.



#66 TheLegend

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:59 AM

When your race car falls on you while working on it and they bring you to the emergency room for treatment with out health care, should the rest of us have to pay for it? The health care mandate was a Republican idea. You know, personal responsibility??? I thought that was a conservative idea.

Im a conservative and I have health insurance I pay for !! What obama wants is for me to pay more for less coverage so he can get low cost care for brotha jamal from da block. When meanwhile his own dam brother lives in a grass hut in kenya.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

Not sure Obeserver but the Obama administration has done more for returning vets than any other. Romney never mentioned them or the war in his convention speech. He said he needed to address "important things" when he defended it on Fox (faux) news.
As far as voter ID. I have NO problem with showing an ID to vote, as long as every registered voter has one. The Commonwealth by their own admission by cross tabbing DOT and Voter Reg records showed that over 700,000 Pennsylvania voters did not have a valid ID. there is no way that the Commonwealth was going to get all of those registered voters a photo ID by election day. Now, they just happen to be moslty made up by people that don't drive, the elderly, the poor or urban citizens. There is NO way the state was going to get all of them ID in the time frame available before this falls election. Also, the Attorney Generals lawyers defending the law could not provide ONE case of fraud becasue of voter impersonation. NOT ONE!!!! Can you say a solution in search of a problem? The Republican judge was right to delay implementation of the law.
If you want everyone to have an ID to vote, fine. I really have no problem with that. However, make sure everyone has the ID. This by Republican leader Mike Turzai's own admission was NOT the intent of the legislation. It was intended to disenfranchise voters and help Romney win PA. As citizens we ALL have the right vote folks. I don't agree with most of the comments in this thread (and it has no place on this board IMO) but you have the right to express them AND vote. Any attempt to impead that effort is a travesty and unamerican. Rep. Daryl Metcalf from butler was the prime sponsor of the legislation. He is a certifiable nut job. I have no clue how the fine people of the Butler area put this guy in office. He believes that if you don't have a photo ID that you are lazy and lazy people don't have the right to vote. Really??? God help us all if we are going to have someone start determining what citizens have the right to vote. Especialy if it is a whack job like Metacalf.
Finally, if you think the policies of the old Mittster will be good for the masses that show up at dirt tracks every weekend, well, I'd like a little of what you are smoking.

I don't think you have paid much attention to everything this administration has done to our military men & women or us as a nation. First off he doesn't even know what their called, he repeatedly called them corpse men when talking about our dead soldiers ~ pretty disrespectful! Navy Seals who risked their lives along with top military officials have put out a video pleading with the President to "shut his mouth" that Obama has repeatly given out military secrets and risked the lives of our soldiers. He has them posted in dangerous positions WITH OUT any ammunition. Our Libyan Ambassador asked for more protection because he felt their lives were in danger and was continuely denied. Obama arms our enemies but not us! He is tightly involved with the Muslim Brotherhood giving them BILLIONS of dollars, having them to dinner at the white house, giving them positions in the white house staff and arming them. He took us from 5000 nuculear missills that tax payers paid for down to 1500 and wants to get rid of the rest!!! Romeny wants to built our military back up to protect us in this very dangerous world while Obama wants to completely disarm us. You are out of touch with our military if you think they like working for this commander in chief. We have never had a President like this. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat this is a serious election that basically comes down to do you want to stay American? and don't forget he thinks he's been to all "57 States" When a soldier is killed they receive a letter with a stamped signature. When our Libyan Ambassador's body and the others were being brought in to be recognized what was he doing in the room ~ this is time stamped! Tweeting to buy his sweatshirts for campaign money. I have to stop because I am getting so mad that anyone can even think this man could have our best interests at heart. I don't care if you don't even like Romeny ~ atleast he's an American.

Edited by suz, 07 October 2012 - 11:23 AM.



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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:30 AM

Claiming to obama has done more to support the military than any other president is about like saying mike tyson is a dude you would love for your 16 yr old daughter to date !!! That is the most laughable thing i have ever seen put to print !!! Why dont you ask real military people what they think of obama and i dont mean the paid actors the liberal media likes to interview...


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:41 AM

Plus obama says he's done more for Israel than any other president ! Wow can any one tell me what he's done to support them ?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

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Ok i'll go with he was born here but his father was never a citizen of the U.S. I always thought both parents needed to be citizens ? And one things for sure, he never grew up here, thats why he's not a patriot !

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#72 Jimmy Henry

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:32 PM

[quote name='rocket2L' date='Oct 5 2012, 08:40 AM' post='351503']
The only reason why people do not like Obama is because he is black.


I haven't bothered to read all the replies, but with all due respect, that is the most dimly-lit opinion I have read. However, in your favor, you are not the first to suggest this. It seems to always blame skin color rather than core beliefs of how this country could be run. Say what you will of me but the reason I will not vote for Pres. Obama is because of his socialist ideas. Period.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

[quote name='Jimmy Henry' date='Oct 7 2012, 02:32 PM' post='351763']
[quote name='rocket2L' date='Oct 5 2012, 08:40 AM' post='351503']
The only reason why people do not like Obama is because he is black.


No it's not ~ "people" voted him to the highest office in America because he IS black.

Edited by suz, 15 October 2012 - 10:35 PM.



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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:47 PM

Have you ever gone into a porta -pot at a race track and found it filled to the top? :angry:


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:38 PM

The url below seems to answer your question:


http://www.truthorfi...ls-funerals.htm


Thank you, it answers part of the question. Why an order from the White House? It seems to be an attempt to take the President out of the picture so he has no part. A leader stands at the front. If something goes wrong it is my fault, if something great happens it is because of the men and women that made it happen not the figure head, even he made the decision to execute. Give credit and take the blame is a simple lesson I tried to teach all my junior Officers. That hasn't been taught to some politicians yet!!!


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:09 AM

Not sure Obeserver but the Obama administration has done more for returning vets than any other. Romney never mentioned them or the war in his convention speech. He said he needed to address "important things" when he defended it on Fox (faux) news.
As far as voter ID. I have NO problem with showing an ID to vote, as long as every registered voter has one. The Commonwealth by their own admission by cross tabbing DOT and Voter Reg records showed that over 700,000 Pennsylvania voters did not have a valid ID. there is no way that the Commonwealth was going to get all of those registered voters a photo ID by election day. Now, they just happen to be moslty made up by people that don't drive, the elderly, the poor or urban citizens. There is NO way the state was going to get all of them ID in the time frame available before this falls election. Also, the Attorney Generals lawyers defending the law could not provide ONE case of fraud becasue of voter impersonation. NOT ONE!!!! Can you say a solution in search of a problem? The Republican judge was right to delay implementation of the law.
If you want everyone to have an ID to vote, fine. I really have no problem with that. However, make sure everyone has the ID. This by Republican leader Mike Turzai's own admission was NOT the intent of the legislation. It was intended to disenfranchise voters and help Romney win PA. As citizens we ALL have the right vote folks. I don't agree with most of the comments in this thread (and it has no place on this board IMO) but you have the right to express them AND vote. Any attempt to impead that effort is a travesty and unamerican. Rep. Daryl Metcalf from butler was the prime sponsor of the legislation. He is a certifiable nut job. I have no clue how the fine people of the Butler area put this guy in office. He believes that if you don't have a photo ID that you are lazy and lazy people don't have the right to vote. Really??? God help us all if we are going to have someone start determining what citizens have the right to vote. Especialy if it is a whack job like Metacalf.
Finally, if you think the policies of the old Mittster will be good for the masses that show up at dirt tracks every weekend, well, I'd like a little of what you are smoking.



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I agree. the arguement is not about having ID to vote, it's making sure that everyone has the chance to vote. the timing of this law is the problem. It will not give enough time for many to get an ID which, in turn will disenfranchise voters...... the Republican Judge was right to delay the law.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:57 AM

Here is all you need to know about how liberals govern ... If it moves tax it , if it keeps moving regulate it and if it stops moving subsidize it !!! I hope all of you liberals can afford your 10 dollar gas and 1000 a month electric bills that the bamster is fighting for !! When the EPA eliminates coal, fracking and drilling what do you think thàts going to do to your energy bill ??? This also forces manufacturing over seas where energy rates are Lower taxes are lower and the governments don't impose regulations hostile to businesses !!


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:00 AM

Anyone who honestly thinks voters having to show ID is unfair should be strapped to a table and beaten about the face with a bag of dixs !!!


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:06 AM

Anyone who honestly thinks voters having to show ID is unfair should be strapped to a table and beaten about the face with a bag of dixs !!!


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:38 AM

When your race car falls on you while working on it and they bring you to the emergency room for treatment with out health care, should the rest of us have to pay for it? The health care mandate was a Republican idea. You know, personal responsibility??? I thought that was a conservative idea.



Well, actually I have a job. With that job comes a benefit package that includes health insurance. So the answer would be NO. But, I wil be paying for you. So is that fair?

I have many Idea's, but so does everyone else. So when I have an idea and after some thought I think it's a bad one, am I to blame when someone else runs with my IDEA and forcefully rams it down everyones throat?





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