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[IN-STA-GATOR]

Jarvis mentioned at banquet a shorter season for next year because of school activities, fairs, etc. No Late models. How do you like that?

[double checkered]

Maybe another local track can pick up the Friday date. Make a 2 day show out of it.........just sayin. Jeremy

[blackflagmanwhaa]

Never mind cant argue with college people class room 101 and nascar crap. Why shorten the season,already the car counts are getting smaller and smaller. This is a racetrack why step aside for other activities. Some thing is wrong some where, the nascar extra point fund was suppose to bring in more cars and all that is happening is less and less cars counts. Thank god for the Doty the best show of the year. Your backing the Allstars and only one race and that was rained out. Fremont has more shows than Lima. Why are some of the guys who use to run mods at Lima are now running at WRP?? All the progress you have done over the years, and you are taking steps backwards now. Instead of uping the point fund with the nascar point fund at the end of the year ,put the money towards the purse with better pays outs down thru the field of the regular shows and you might bring more cars in because even if you dont win you might have a better chance of going home with some money in your pocket. Shorter season H*** No!!

Edited by blackflagmanwhaa, 22 October 2012 - 05:04 AM.

[IN-STA-GATOR]

I think some mods went to WRP because of the tough comp. at Lima. Nascar money prob. helped with that. Some will say Lima has favorites and that ran some cars off. I don't believe in the favorite deal but I will say Lima does miss the call on some things sometimes. Transponders would help with that. The pay out IS lacking there, especially compared to other tracks. 600 to win is good, 350 for 2nd, should be higher, 220 for 3rd is down right sad. JMO

[blackflagmanwhaa]

Dont mean to be sour grapes but some thing is wrong some where. A great facility but no car counts, When the mods some times dont have enough for a B what is going on. Its nice to see Wallace, Schrader and the Dillons , but what is lima having to throw at them to get them to come? I say up the weekly purse to give the little guy some funding to race every week and help him out.

[IN-STA-GATOR]

I agree, that would be a good start.

[mod13]

I can't speak for everyone, but I can let you know why I don't go to Lima. There is definately favoritism at Lima. I've seen it on the track, in the pits and at inspection. Every track has a little bit but Lima is way overboard. Its well known that if you go to Lima you will get your stuff tore up. You can go to any track in this area, and have a casual conversation with other racers, and it will be brought up that cars get eaten up at Lima. The school funds and puts fast cars on the track, but doesn't seem to express to their drivers that they represent the track as well as the school, and as such tearing up other peoples equipment reflects badly on the track itself. When you try to approach a track official and express an opinion, your ignored or dismissed. The last time I was there I received the famous Lima words, "If you don't like it don't come back". I havn't been there since. They don't need me, and I'm sure alot of others have heard those words, and there are only so many cars in this area. Car counts decline.

[Dr. Speedy]

Seems as though since the school has gotten involved in operations, things have gotten to the point where "we don't need you to race at OUR track" because we have Wallace and Schrader". Well, if they don't start appealing to the regular guy that supports the track, sure they are going to go somewhere else, and Shrader and Wallace can race each other alone. This thing with NASCAR is going to ruin Limaland, among other things such as favoritism. Every track has favorite sons, it just happens. But the track shouldn't help them win. JMO

[dirttrackfan4life]

Mod13 is hitting the nail on the head. The program that UNOH has is awsome at least to say. I do beleive everyone can agree with that. Alot of the problem comes from college cars, which have unlimited budget for there cars and motors. Then you throw in a driver who is new and doesnt have to pay to repair his or her race car weekly to be able to bring it to the track the following week. Then Lima says the point money that the students get go towards the school.................................. What about the money lost from the guys who put there own money into their cars out of their pockets to race at your track in those points spots? Favoritism yes Lima does, for example there was a stock car whos partial of his hood came up, but wasnt interfering with his driving at all, but was black flagged and not given the right to pull in and have his crew remove it. YES there was a caution at the time. The officials wouldnt remove it either. On several occasions I have watched the officials pull out fenders for 2 of the BIG mod guys cars during heat races and the features. Limaland is to political and dont care about the car count due to the fact they dont need the money to put back into the race track like other tracks do. They will only hurt them selves but I dont think they really care. GO TO TRANSPONDERS INSTEAD OF MOVING THE DARN FINISH LINE WHERE YOU ALL SEE FIT PENDING WHO IT HELPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KO_23]

Mod13 nailed it Lima has always had favorites, people who they will always pull fenders off for or scoot around the rules a little for. On more than one occasion I have seen a couple "top" guys at Limaland forget to scale and head back to their haulers and then come back up and they allow it but I have also witnessed other drivers drive past the scales and never stop at their hauler just drive back around and they get DQed for it. Other things at the scales I have seen some who never actually stop on the scale just drive up on it slow way down (kinda do the thing most drivers do at stop signs) and the officials will give them the thumbs up. UNOH has helped Limaland with facility updates but they have killed the car counts with their attitude towards the weekly guys. They have not touched the schedule in many years and now they are gonna make the schedule shorter I say BS Im glad that I race at WRP

[SchraderFan36]

Race teams and race fans are like women. If you don't treat them right, they'll find someone else who will. We are lucky enough to live within a couple hours drive of at least a half dozen dirt tracks. If Limaland wants to shorten the season, that's their call. Keep trimming things off the schedule, and sooner or later there won't be enough cars or fans to have ANY kind of schedule. If you want to see Late models, Attica runs them every Friday, and they put in a heckuva show. Just sayin. If everyone decided to stay away from Limaland even one week and attend another track, they'd have a half dozen orange and black cars in the pits and 30 or 40 fans dressed in orange and black sittin in the pitside bleachers. That's it. Maybe then they'd get the hint.

[redracer7]

I dont agree with tho shorter season. They have on of the shortest seasons as a racetrack as it is. With the Late Model deal i guess if you want to see them race you will have to travel to other tracks such as Attica and Oakshade besides seams like they get rained out evey year there. But as for school activities thats a load of crap. As a racer i would much rather go to the races every friday instead of a high school football game. A race fan is a race fan he or she is not going to go to a football game or other event unless they have a child participating in the activity. I agree about the transponders! They would make the finished alot more accurate instead of scoring where they think is accurate. JMO Jordan Conover

[kartracer229]

Theres pros and cons to a shorter season. Pros: 1.Tire Bill, I know guys throwing new tires on a night, 120 a tire. This is mods, and some stocks. I know I was a promoter for these tires, but its true. 2. Cheaper on the race teams. It costs us in a stock about 200 a night roughly to go to-from to the races. This puts fuel in the truck, race car, half an oil change, 2 pit passes, nothing else. We need to get 2nd to break even on the evening, I know were not in this for money, but if you equate up a 20 race schedule, with no wear and tear, no tires, anything, 4000 dollars. 3. It doesnt make you feel like if you break something, you have to rush to get it done for next week, you may need a week off, and your out of points, sucks, but it does happen. Cons. 1.I love watching/going to the races, so a 10-12 race schedule does kind of suck. 2. It gives people more track time, especially when your attempting to figure out a new car, or things of that nature. Im sure there are more reasons. There are a few things I like about lima, but I fully agree transponders are needed. Ive loved them since we used them a few time in karts, and we just used them at Eldora, makes life a 1000 times easier. I do not agree with some of the tech procedures. I have seen some favorites just roll through, while others get heckled on 1/8th of an inch on the interior decking, or a stupid inspection panel that you get to see...dirt? Half the time it never gets looked through anyways. Just on the stock car standpoint, rules need updated, severely. The call of if something is good or not shouldnt be a "visual" checkover. If something wants to be declared illegal, post measurements, and all the other jazz so people know what we have to do. I honestly wouldnt mind having the tech man come look at our car before the season starts just so we can get things OK'd instead of getting the car all the way together and find something a millimeter out of alignment and we have to tear the car back down. The words "stock location" are a bit much in the stocks anymore as well. When was the last time you seen a person 3 wheeling, and sitting on the left rear of their monte carlo coming down Main Street? I know its not possible to pull the stocks back to what they are supposed to be, but the tracks let them get this way with the wishy washy tech, now you have what you have, so give us some rules based off the cars youve got, and all should be good again.

[Dirtracer48]

give us some rules based off the cars youve got, and all should be good again.

This is the thing I want. No longer do these cars need to be told to chain or weld the doors shut. Bodies are a big thing in tech it seems, yet there are no dimensions available to know what we can, or can't do. The biggest exploitation of these rules is with the college cars themselves in my opinion....the roofs are a gigantic spoiler and might as well be a station wagon at their current dimensions. I don't really care, it doesn't bother me...but I don't understand what I am, or am not allowed to do. Nose pieces need a maximum width, period. Weld up a go/no-go hoop to the maximum dimensions and either it fits, or it doesn't. My understanding of the current nose width rule is, the front tires need to be on the outside (wider) than the nose itself. Unless, you apparently have some types of more "stock appearing" noses, then 6" wider on both sides is OK. I HATE the fact that I have to try to make my car look nice, be air efficient, and just hope that it looks OK on whoever eyeballs them and decides whether they're legal or not. A standard rule with a maximum width takes care of ALL of the guessing/subjectiveness, and deciding whether things are legal based on ??????? As for the college cars, I am glad to see them out there and they're pretty willing and happy to help out the local racers from what I have seen. Intentional, or accidental....I would like to see some discipline on the students for rough/stupid driving on the events it does happen. I'd fire my driver for some of the stuff I have seen them do, but anyway.....

As for the shorter season, maybe I am being selfish, but it makes my racing season much more affordable to do so.....so I don't mind it. A current track champ pointed out to me that it will hurt with the nascar national point standings going to a shorter season, I hadn't thought of that. How may stock/mod races does Eldora have? Just saying. I don't think there is an unwelcome feeling, or that the college is running the place down like some infer here. To the contrary, like I mentioned earlier the UNOH teams seem very willing and eager to help the locals out if they need a part, tool, or help with something....and I appreciate that. I also disagree on the counts being down....looked to me like the stocks rebounded some this last year, there was a b-main every night I ran there.....something of a rarity the previous few seasons. The track prep was also a 9/10 most every night of the season...love a hammer down race track, and lima consistently provided that. As far as tech goes, the only thing I have to complain about is the rules that need to be specified in a quantifiable manner...such as the nose width rules. If you agree, please email them and let them know!

I've had some complaints and issues in the past with lima, but overall I felt like we were treated very fairly last year, and for the most part we felt pretty welcomed to be there. See you all in 2013. PS, bring on the transponders.

Tim Cole

Edited by Dirtracer48, 01 November 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[skip]

Never mind im not a racer and should keep my mouth shut. EDIT EDIT EDIT

Edited by skip, 02 November 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[IN-STA-GATOR]

Skip, you don't have to be a racer to give your opinion. This is for drivers, crew members and fans, as this affects all of us.

[IN-STA-GATOR]

I have seen this comment b4, Who actually is telling all of you guys "If you don't like it, don't come back? If it's the same person maybe that is where the whole problem is.

[SRT93]

This kinda sucks for me. I am attending UNOH in the near future and was pretty excited about the college being involved with a race track. Hopefully the racers can get together with the promotor and discuss what needs to be done.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

I have seen this comment b4, Who actually is telling all of you guys "If you don't like it, don't come back? If it's the same person maybe that is where the whole problem is.

You know a couple of years back some of the owners went to the #1 man with their complaints about some one and he said there would be a change. Well that change never happened after they were told there would be. Every one was excited about their 10 year plan that saw so many improvements. But now it seems like all that was done has now started to fizzle out. Seems like the more UNOH gets into Nascar it is taking away more and more from the hype of Limaland. Shorter season, thats is doing nothing but taking away from the racers and fans. Unoh is getting their hands into so much promotions of other events, and backing other races that it seems like it is taking it away from Lima. If they shorten the season the drivers and fans will just go some where else is that what lima wants???

[IN-STA-GATOR]

I have seen this comment b4, Who actually is telling all of you guys "If you don't like it, don't come back? If it's the same person maybe that is where the whole problem is.

So..................no one has really said that???????