Its not bull. I know of 3 who have spoke to him and right now its a no go/no deal. Call him yourself if you have doubts.that doesn't mean someone else might put together a deal. The no pay for the Piney was a good indicator things weren't good.
Will the motordrome guys...
Started by smokin66, Feb 07 2013 02:00 PM
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#21
Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:53 PM
#22
Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:37 PM
I dont think im a prophet, but since im correct ill take the compliment.Probably from people who think they are Prophets.
#23
Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:38 PM
It's bull that pretty much every season since Red passed away, we've had to go through the winter months not knowing if the track would be open for next season. I really wish the Arsenberger ownership group with Chip Rowan was still running the show. I'm thankful that the Miley's kept it from turning into a Walmart when that group decided to sell..but lets not forget how the late models were destroyed under Red & Brutt's watch in 2003..the pro trucks too when they decided to allow the use of late model chassis. Things weren't as great in the Miley days as some people remember them to be!
Bottom line..us pavement guys really don't wanna lose our playground..I think that's something we can agree on. So hopefully Miley's or Neil Brown or Howie or someone saves the season! There are more than enough dirt tracks and vacant lots in the area. (And I love dirt racing too, I'm not trying to turn this into a dirt vs pavement debate)
#24
Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:54 PM
I agree!Really? I think theres a high demand for local dirt track racing. I think if ppms lined their bleaches with trex and installed a pit deck above the food court, it would be tits! Truthfully ppms could be another eldora. Im not a promoter and dont know the answers. We can bash matt, and I do, but they are trying. I think with all the tracks closing we should go suppport the ones open or shut the hell up
#25
Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:15 PM
As usual the dirt fanatics tried to turn this post into something 'dirt racing related'. A little more support both ways wouldn't kill anyone. This isn't a competition. Nobody gives a crap on this thread about putting trex on ppms bleachers. Its about asphalt racing.
#26
Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:29 PM
Well since I started this thread about motordrome I can also recomend trex at ppms. Especially since ppms will be open and motordrome probably wont.As usual the dirt fanatics tried to turn this post into something 'dirt racing related'. A little more support both ways wouldn't kill anyone. This isn't a competition. Nobody gives a crap on this thread about putting trex on ppms bleachers. Its about asphalt racing.
#27
Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:43 AM
If you wanna get more people to attend dirt races don't worry bout getting trex- u should give out something the fans could use- like GED's. Hell maybe a toothbrush. You know the difference between asphalt and dirt fans-about 30 I.Q. points.Well since I started this thread about motordrome I can also recomend trex at ppms. Especially since ppms will be open and motordrome probably wont.
#28
Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:50 AM
Obviously since your late models run motors that are 50 k and burn 3If you wanna get more people to attend dirt races don't worry bout getting trex- u should give out something the fans could use- like GED's. Hell maybe a toothbrush. You know the difference between asphalt and dirt fans-about 30 I.Q. points.
Sets of
Tires to race 200 laps for 4 k win and a junior bacon cheeseburger to start ... And the motor needs rebuilt .... How
Many races to asphalt late models have 30k or more to win ? And how many do motordrome type late models have ? I have seen a dirt track or 2 where the promoter has done everything possible to put the place out of business and its sill going , where as it looks like the drome is done .... How many asphalt tracks are within 2 hrs of Pittsburgh and then how many dirt tracks ?
#29
Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:58 AM
You maybe right but we all got some where to race just saying!If you wanna get more people to attend dirt races don't worry bout getting trex- u should give out something the fans could use- like GED's. Hell maybe a toothbrush. You know the difference between asphalt and dirt fans-about 30 I.Q. points.
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#30
Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:08 PM
Interesting Fact;
When Dirt Motorsports ....or WoO or World racing group...or whatever they are going by today ...bought Volusia County speedway in FloridaThere was an asphalt track on site as well! In the old days when Dickie Murphy owned it...(Late 90's ) they raced both dirt at the big track and pavement at the 1/3 miles pavement track every night! And You payed one price and could walk back and forth between both! I sort of liked that! Because I can watch a pavement race as wel... as long as it is good racing! It didn't take a trained eye to see where the money was! In those days...the pits at the dirt track were filled with 120 teams...All with Big Rigs..... and the turn one area was reserved for Motorhomes! Place was packed! At the pavement track....there was about 30 teams (Most nights) with open trailers and pickup trucks racing cars with just a plain number on them! No sponsors and no Flinner type decal jobs! And No body in the stands! It didn't take Dirt Motorsports long to tear up that track( Don't understand that) and moove the bleachers to the dirt track pits! Because the Fans were at the Dirt track watching Tony Stewart and a few of the other Nascar guys racing dirt! Case in point! There is currently no interest in Short track Pavement racing in this Country! Late 80's through the early 90's was the last Hayday for that type racing in modern times! Will it become popular again????who knows! But it isn't now! Tough for anyone to promote something there is no interest in! I feel for you guys that have your money tied up in pavement equipment! Hope someone gives you a place to race! But don't count on it in this Economy!
#31
Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:39 AM
Yes i agree the sport has lost some intrest in certain areas but to say there is no intrest in this country is not true. Were do you think NASCAR are getting drivers from, short track asphalt racing. They are paying developement driver to hone their skills at this level to move on to the next level. There have been alot of great drivers come from Motordrome and Jennerstown, Erie and others, we need a place locally to keep this alive for future drivers to come. And there has been a few new tracks opening up also so it is not dead by no means. Thanks for the compassion and hoping we have a place to race you are a true racer and fan, not like some who think a place should close just because it's not to there liking. Always remember you should not wish on something if you would not want it to happen to you also!
Edited by nascarracer28, 13 February 2013 - 09:44 AM.
#32
Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:55 PM
For those of us who have been attending races for 50+ years, I think it's safe to say we have seen a lot of good racing on both dirt and pavement.
The last race I attended last year was a Must See event at Berlin MI featuring sprint cars and supermodifieds, along with their regular late models.
The place was packed at $20/head and the racing was great. Same for some of the pavement races I saw last year at Winchester. Kalamazoo and Toledo. Note that these are all areas with weaker economies and other options for the fans.
People will pay to see speed and horsepower, and the 410 pavement sprints are bad fast. Brian Gerster' lap of 12.742 at Bristol proves that, along with JoJo Helbergs 12.60 lap time at Winchester.
I know about Paul McMahons record at Volusia, but the track sizes do vary somewhat. As I recall, the lap times slowed by several seconds when they paved the (old) Sharon Speedway, for what that's worth.
Pavement racing fell from fan favor in Western PA immediately after the decision was made to turn them into semi-lates, or pro-stocks as they were called at the time. The popular drivers and fans left in droves, and the only thing left was two tracks with different rules and a splintered fan base. Along came the recession, and the fan turnout now is less than the early crowd that used to watch the water trucks in the old days.
With the high cost of fuel to transport and travel, it looks like the pavement era in Western PA may be over, at least for now. Too bad, because it was really good in the day.
#33
Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:45 PM
Yes i agree the sport has lost some intrest in certain areas but to say there is no intrest in this country is not true. Were do you think NASCAR are getting drivers from, short track asphalt racing. They are paying developement driver to hone their skills at this level to move on to the next level. There have been alot of great drivers come from Motordrome and Jennerstown, Erie and others, we need a place locally to keep this alive for future drivers to come. And there has been a few new tracks opening up also so it is not dead by no means. Thanks for the compassion and hoping we have a place to race you are a true racer and fan, not like some who think a place should close just because it's not to there liking. Always remember you should not wish on something if you would not want it to happen to you also!
I found this on another website. It seems short track asphalt racing is in trouble down South too.
Asphalt tracks in Georgia....
Lanier - closed
Watermelon Capital - closed
Senoia - gone dirt
Albany - gone dirt
South GA - closed
#34
Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:10 PM
Asphalt racing in general would be in much better shape if everybody could get on the same page with rules. Semmingly nobody runs the same rules anywhere, especially in the support classes.
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#35
Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:00 PM
[quote name='jmmr' date='Feb 12 2013, 08:43 AM' post='359981']
If you wanna get more people to attend dirt races don't worry bout getting trex- u should give out something the fans could use- like GED's. Hell maybe a toothbrush. You know the difference between asphalt and dirt fans-about 30 I.Q.
You would think with all them smarts they would be able to keep a track afloat.
If you wanna get more people to attend dirt races don't worry bout getting trex- u should give out something the fans could use- like GED's. Hell maybe a toothbrush. You know the difference between asphalt and dirt fans-about 30 I.Q.
You would think with all them smarts they would be able to keep a track afloat.
#36
Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:58 AM
What is so ironic is that even though I joke abt dirt fans- I am one and attend often. Here's the thing-outside of the big events where are all these dirt fans I keep hearing abt.? I don't notice a much bigger weekly fan count at ppms week to week? All those who say asphalt is dead are crazy-even at shorttracks. It is poor mgt. That has ran it into the ground. When you ruin your weekly show you lose the local fans. When you lose the local fans and business-big shows and support/attendance at them ends. Stop looking for that one big sponsor and those big events to save the track- its ass backwards and that's where we've been for the last 3-4 years. Local business support- local team and driver support and local fans. Rules that don't cater to some and drive others away- lack of fair competition drives away teams and fans- fact is if the same guys when every week there is a big problem too. Here's a simple business model- id rather have 100 local customers starting off then 1 big customer. Lose a few small u will survive- lose the big- u r done. When the track is stable then u put on the big shows and big support to grow. This is opposite of current mgt. Thinking. Need an example- Erie. It wasn't all that long ago things were different at motordrome. Surely far less than than the 80s or early 90s.
#37
Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:10 AM
From what I hear lernerville gets a pretty decent fan turnout ..What is so ironic is that even though I joke abt dirt fans- I am one and attend often. Here's the thing-outside of the big events where are all these dirt fans I keep hearing abt.? I don't notice a much bigger weekly fan count at ppms week to week? All those who say asphalt is dead are crazy-even at shorttracks. It is poor mgt. That has ran it into the ground. When you ruin your weekly show you lose the local fans. When you lose the local fans and business-big shows and support/attendance at them ends. Stop looking for that one big sponsor and those big events to save the track- its ass backwards and that's where we've been for the last 3-4 years. Local business support- local team and driver support and local fans. Rules that don't cater to some and drive others away- lack of fair competition drives away teams and fans- fact is if the same guys when every week there is a big problem too. Here's a simple business model- id rather have 100 local customers starting off then 1 big customer. Lose a few small u will survive- lose the big- u r done. When the track is stable then u put on the big shows and big support to grow. This is opposite of current mgt. Thinking. Need an example- Erie. It wasn't all that long ago things were different at motordrome. Surely far less than than the 80s or early 90s.
#38
Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:24 PM
I don't really think Clearfield would be sucessful if it were the original dirt or whatever configuration you want to make it! Wrong economy! Who up that way has a job and can afford to go see the races??? Only three tracks in Western Pa, that are in the right geographical location to succeed! PMS....Lernerville....and Latrobe!(Not currently running) There are jobs and industry around these tracks and fans can afford to attend! The rest of these tracks out in the middle of no-where will only continue to strugle! Now would be the perfect time for the re-emergence of Latrobe! No Motordrome....No TVR..... No Challenger.....Everyone mad at Lernerville....and Rick Jones! Perfect time for someone to step up and re-open Latrobe! Great track....Great racing.....Fast as Hell! I would like to see the Prowes of the Legend at latrobe! See if his equipment is a Big as he thinks it is????
#39
Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:58 AM
Yep I'mI don't really think Clearfield would be sucessful if it were the original dirt or whatever configuration you want to make it! Wrong economy! Who up that way has a job and can afford to go see the races??? Only three tracks in Western Pa, that are in the right geographical location to succeed! PMS....Lernerville....and Latrobe!(Not currently running) There are jobs and industry around these tracks and fans can afford to attend! The rest of these tracks out in the middle of no-where will only continue to strugle! Now would be the perfect time for the re-emergence of Latrobe! No Motordrome....No TVR..... No Challenger.....Everyone mad at Lernerville....and Rick Jones! Perfect time for someone to step up and re-open Latrobe! Great track....Great racing.....Fast as Hell! I would like to see the Prowes of the Legend at latrobe! See if his equipment is a Big as he thinks it is????
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#40
Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:34 AM
I don't really think Clearfield would be sucessful if it were the original dirt or whatever configuration you want to make it! Wrong economy! Who up that way has a job and can afford to go see the races??? Only three tracks in Western Pa, that are in the right geographical location to succeed! PMS....Lernerville....and Latrobe!(Not currently running) There are jobs and industry around these tracks and fans can afford to attend! The rest of these tracks out in the middle of no-where will only continue to strugle! Now would be the perfect time for the re-emergence of Latrobe! No Motordrome....No TVR..... No Challenger.....Everyone mad at Lernerville....and Rick Jones! Perfect time for someone to step up and re-open Latrobe! Great track....Great racing.....Fast as Hell! I would like to see the Prowes of the Legend at latrobe! See if his equipment is a Big as he thinks it is????
Yeah, because a track that struggled to stay open when the economy was good is totally going to flourish when the economy is shit.
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