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[grt0404]

anybody hear if there will be a rules meeting for amp for next year and when and where it will be held, thanks for the help

[Thunder Dog]

To the furthest of my knowledge, there will be NO rules meeting.

[race ace]

this is one of the worst ideas yet to not have a rules meeting , this is where things that are alresdy out of hand get worse next thing you know the cars from marion center that want to run streetstock will be legal down here and believe me that is one way to drive off the locals ,it would not surprise me one bit if someone suggests that if quick change rear ends and 3 links and bert transmissions were legal there would be at least 5 more streetstocks show up and bingo next thing you know they are legal. the purestocks at a.m.p changed rules almost every week to where double pumper carberators and triple disc clutches were legal ,come on this is a purestock class if you got the money to run this stuff you need to move up to street stock class . just my opinion and a lot of guys do not have the guts to come on here and express their opinion but someone needs to clip this before we all are sitting at the track wondering why nobody has the money to race . have a meeting even if it is at the track, we don't need a catered food luncheon to make simple rules .

[gofast05]

this is one of the worst ideas yet to not have a rules meeting , this is where things that are alresdy out of hand get worse next thing you know the cars from marion center that want to run streetstock will be legal down here and believe me that is one way to drive off the locals ,it would not surprise me one bit if someone suggests that if quick change rear ends and 3 links and bert transmissions were legal there would be at least 5 more streetstocks show up and bingo next thing you know they are legal. the purestocks at a.m.p changed rules almost every week to where double pumper carberators and triple disc clutches were legal ,come on this is a purestock class if you got the money to run this stuff you need to move up to street stock class . just my opinion and a lot of guys do not have the guts to come on here and express their opinion but someone needs to clip this before we all are sitting at the track wondering why nobody has the money to race . have a meeting even if it is at the track, we don't need a catered food luncheon to make simple rules .

i can't agree enough. a pure stock is just that, a PURE STOCK! at the rate AMP was going with them last year, they should be called street stocks. pure stocks are supposed to be a stock engine, 2 barrel carb, all steel, factory clutch, factory transmissions, factory rear-ends, stock steel bodies or stock appearing STEEL bodies. over the past few years, pure stocks have become street stocks, street stocks have become something completely different as well. outlaw stocks if you will. its a bit sad, when the Semi Late division, hypothetically costs less than the street stocks should, and they run about the same lap times. this past year there were a couple street stocks that would have competed well against the entire late model class. it's out of hand, this is my opinion, and i personally have no problem putting it out there.

[race26dirt]

i can't agree enough. a pure stock is just that, a PURE STOCK! at the rate AMP was going with them last year, they should be called street stocks. pure stocks are supposed to be a stock engine, 2 barrel carb, all steel, factory clutch, factory transmissions, factory rear-ends, stock steel bodies or stock appearing STEEL bodies. over the past few years, pure stocks have become street stocks, street stocks have become something completely different as well. outlaw stocks if you will. its a bit sad, when the Semi Late division, hypothetically costs less than the street stocks should, and they run about the same lap times. this past year there were a couple street stocks that would have competed well against the entire late model class. it's out of hand, this is my opinion, and i personally have no problem putting it out there.

what do u expect to happen when u win the semi-late feature and get less pay out money then the guy that wins the pure stock feature

[The Legend]

what do u expect to happen when u win the semi-late feature and get less pay out money then the guy that wins the pure stock feature

The entire point of the guys semi late class was to offer people a cheap way to race !!!! Those cars don't draw fans therefore he can't pay them more than they bring in

[babyjesusracing]

this is one of the worst ideas yet to not have a rules meeting , this is where things that are alresdy out of hand get worse next thing you know the cars from marion center that want to run streetstock will be legal down here and believe me that is one way to drive off the locals ,it would not surprise me one bit if someone suggests that if quick change rear ends and 3 links and bert transmissions were legal there would be at least 5 more streetstocks show up and bingo next thing you know they are legal. the purestocks at a.m.p changed rules almost every week to where double pumper carberators and triple disc clutches were legal ,come on this is a purestock class if you got the money to run this stuff you need to move up to street stock class . just my opinion and a lot of guys do not have the guts to come on here and express their opinion but someone needs to clip this before we all are sitting at the track wondering why nobody has the money to race . have a meeting even if it is at the track, we don't need a catered food luncheon to make simple rules .

1st 3link and quick change rears are not legal at marion center and as far as berts, brinns, falcon tranny's they are much safer (nothing to come apart and hurt someone)and should be legal at amp and every other track that run street stocks (most already do) and there were a few this year at amp with them believe me

[jake shady]

legend is back and is as stupid as ever. never been to amp and knows the semi-late car count.

[The Legend]

legend is back and is as stupid as ever. never been to amp and knows the semi-late car count.

Hey fella that's excellent reading comprehension ... I said nothing about car count I said FANS !!!!

[animalgfx]

To my understanding.. Bert's will be legal at AMP This season in SS Class. In my opinion. A Bert isn't going to win you a you a feature. If you weren't at the last rules meeting.. This is what happened. Each class had their own hour to discuss the rules. Street Stocks and pure stocks both ran WAY over their time. I honestly don't think I would have a rules meeting.. I would post them as soon As possible.. And not waiver.. In these two classes we racers are our own worst enemy. We wanted this or that. In years past.. We got it.. Then guess what?? We wanted more.. We got it.. Then we split hairs to suit our needs. Then the economy gets crappy and we want to real them back in so we can afford.. What we created... No one can write a perfect set of rules without grey areas or rules that will please everyone. The biggest thing that needs teched and stuck to is suspension.. The stuff that's on some of these stock cars is CRAZY! But it somehow fits into grey areas of the rules.

Edited by animalgfx, 24 November 2013 - 03:28 PM.

[gofast05]

what do u expect to happen when u win the semi-late feature and get less pay out money then the guy that wins the pure stock feature

you should expect that when there weren't that many cars all year. sure i know someone in another thread said there were 19 total....all year.... 19 cars. not all on the track at one time. this year should be different, i've heard from a few more people that they will be there. but it took how long to just get the third car last year? i'm expecting this class to grow. as long as the rules stay how they are, and are enforced which seems to be a problem around the area with any class. Legend hit it on the head, they really don't draw crowds. maybe if there were 40-50 of them and they were running for 2500 to win or something like that? sure, then they probably would. This class draws drivers, and family. not fans yet. but it will.

[116 octain]

Not to get off the subject but any word on a new tech for next year I know it would be hard but if Jeff could find one of his friends from out east with no ties to the racers around this area there would be no favoritism.

[greaseball]

What was wrong with the tech guy this year he had no problem with anyone, and no favoritism. He did what Jeff wanted him to do.

[race ace]

What was wrong with the tech guy this year he had no problem with anyone, and no favoritism. He did what Jeff wanted him to do.

i think he is putting a car together.

[to fast]

To my understanding.. Bert's will be legal at AMP This season in SS Class.
In my opinion. A Bert isn't going to win you a you a feature.
If you weren't at the last rules meeting.. This is what happened.
Each class had their own hour to discuss the rules.
Street Stocks and pure stocks both ran WAY over their time.
I honestly don't think I would have a rules meeting.. I would post them as soon
As possible.. And not waiver.. In these two classes we racers are our own worst enemy. We wanted this or that. In years past.. We got it.. Then guess what?? We wanted more.. We got it.. Then we split hairs to suit our needs. Then the economy gets crappy and we want to real them back in so we can afford.. What we created...
No one can write a perfect set of rules without grey areas or rules that will please everyone.

The biggest thing that needs teched and stuck to is suspension.. The stuff that's on some of these stock cars is CRAZY! But it somehow fits into grey areas of the rules.

well if berts are legal then i want mags and quick change rears............see were this is going.

NO BERTS


sorry my opinion
scott

[team97racing]

A steel tube quick change with no birdcages is a good idea. Whole thing can be rebuilt, gears are say $20 at a swap meet New are what $60-80? 9" gears roughly $80 for a R/P used and roughly $300 for a used set New is pushing if not more than $600 I'm a fan of the 9" but the economics aren't there....

[race ace]

Here is my opinion and since it is snowing out we need something on here to discuss anyway , since they have comlpetly killed off the original pure stock rules and the original street stock rules why not combine them in a way that the ones of us who don't have deep pockets can actually run and still have fun because that is what racing is all about anyhow to me . here is a starter idea for a set of rules ......stock appearing bodies with a stock appearing nose and tail piece .... no roller cams ....no triple disc clutches .....360 cubic inch limit ...either pick a 2 barrell carb or whatever 4 barrell the drivers VOTE on (not what the track owner wants )....no bert transmissions must have a working clutch .no direct drive automatic transmissions ... now the sticky part since i have 16 ten inch wheels and tires and the purestocks have 8 inch wheels how do you make the rules fair so nobody has to buy more wheels ? do you add weight to the guys with wide tires or what are some ideas for that. if you want to run quick change rear ends and bert transmissions then in my opinion you need to buy a late model and get out of street stocks but if they are going to go that way why not call those cars hobby stocks or super stocks and make them unlimited cubic inch and open up the suspensions to 3 link and the whole 9 yards that way when Nate Smith comes down here and kicks your a$$ nobody is to blame but the guys that wanted all this latemodel stuff . now how about your ideas on this and be nice it is almost Christmas time !

[modman24]

A steel tube quick change with no birdcages is a good idea.

Whole thing can be rebuilt, gears are say $20 at a swap meet
New are what $60-80?

9" gears roughly $80 for a R/P used and roughly $300 for a used set
New is pushing if not more than $600

I'm a fan of the 9" but the economics aren't there....

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Legend]

You can't base your rules on what some guy has ... And you can't compare the price of a used quick change to a new 9" you have to compare apples to apples !! That thinking is why emods are soo expensive now

[Skull]

Lernerville has required stock trannies in their DIRTCar Sportman division for as long as that class has been in existence. I've never personally heard of anyone being injured by a stock tranny failure. I'm not saying it can't or hasn't happened. But, I have not seen any evidence where the inherent danger of a stock transmission's explosive failure potential demands that all stock cars should be allowed a Bert, Brinn or Falcon unit. They, and quick change rear ends, are unnecessary for any stock class. Animal touched on it. You racer's are your own worst enemies. You want to run these classes with equipment used in SLM's, Modifies and Sprint cars, but for less than a third of the purse, and yet you wonder why the stock classes at some tracks struggle to have enough cars for two heat races. I don't understand it.